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    SeigSoloyvov

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:43 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I like that design sexy looking hovercraft.

    that said they should build about six of these at least.

    2 just isn't enough.

    2 that we know of, I doubt they will stop with just 2, Arctic is big place 

    They are already talking about ordering another couple of Arktika nuclear icebreakers as well so smaller ones would be no brainier

    Once they finish up the three LK-60Ya-class they will build three LK-110Ya class

    No more Arktika's will be built.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:55 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I like that design sexy looking hovercraft.

    that said they should build about six of these at least.

    2 just isn't enough.

    2 that we know of, I doubt they will stop with just 2, Arctic is big place 

    They are already talking about ordering another couple of Arktika nuclear icebreakers as well so smaller ones would be no brainier

    Once they finish up the three LK-60Ya-class they will build three LK-110Ya class

    No more Arktika's will be built.

    I posted this on Icebreaker tread, something is cooking on Arktika topic, maybe

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2991505.html

    Still I would not mind if they just jump into LK110 ASAP, those monsters would be epic
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  eehnie on Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:55 am


    Very cute to see how the most pro-US guys love the production of very low armed ships. Just the expected.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:01 am

    eehnie wrote:
    Very cute to see how the most pro-US guys love the production of very low armed ships. Just the expected.

    Don't you have family members to interact with?
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:46 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Very cute to see how the most pro-US guys love the production of very low armed ships. Just the expected.

    Don't you have family members to interact with?

    I praise a Russian ship design...one based off something they already have in service and he does that lawls.

    Fact is not every ship in any navy has guns.....this is the basic of stuff, some vessels are meant to serve roles other then combat.

    Goddam this guy makes me sad.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:50 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Very cute to see how the most pro-US guys love the production of very low armed ships. Just the expected.

    Don't you have family members to interact with?
    I'm actually hoping he stays around at this point. On mute (choosing what posts you see), he's good comedy value.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  eehnie on Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:38 am

    To say it in other words.

    The Project 22220 and its successor, the Project 10510, are not even military projects. They are not armed and are not part of the Russian Navy. As consequence are clearly off topic, but not only off-topic in this topic, they are off-topic in the entire section of the Russian Navy. The coments about them should be removed and should go to the place for civil ships.

    The Project 23550 is a military project of low armed auxiliary ship for patrol roles, as they love:

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23550.htm

    Full load:
    8500? tons
    ...
    Armament:
    1 helicopter
    1x1 76 mm AK-176MA

    Knowing that is when we can read properly what they said:

    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I like that design sexy looking hovercraft.

    that said they should build about six of these at least.

    2 just isn't enough.

    2 that we know of, I doubt they will stop with just 2, Arctic is big place 

    They are already talking about ordering another couple of Arktika nuclear icebreakers as well so smaller ones would be no brainier

    Once they finish up the three LK-60Ya-class they will build three LK-110Ya class

    No more Arktika's will be built.

    I posted this on Icebreaker tread, something is cooking on Arktika topic, maybe

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2991505.html

    Still I would not mind if they just jump into LK110 ASAP, those monsters would be epic

    To note finally that the Project 22220 nuclear icebreakers are of 33500 tons. About twice than the Project 23560 Lider destroyer/cruiser that both hate very much. The Project 10510 nuclear icebreakers are of 55600 tons. More than a half of the Project 23000 aircraft carrier that also both hate very much.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:32 pm

    The USCG, RCN/CCG, RN, PLAN, AE, & ARA- all "armed forces"- do operate them, with more planned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_icebreakers#United_States_Coast_Guard
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_icebreakers#Canada
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_DeWolf-class_offshore_patrol_vessel
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Protector_(A173)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_071_icebreaker
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_210_icebreaker
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Almirante_Ir%C3%ADzar
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIO_Hesperides

    Icebreakers can be armed later if need be, as was done in trials before. Armed or not, own by the RFCG or Navy or not, even in peacetime they r de-facto naval auxiliary vessels that escort warships over ice covered waters, especially since the announcement that more new naval bases r to be built, most likely along the NSR:
    http://www.ng.ru/news/602652.html?print=Y

    If u don't like off topic posts (according to ur judgement), stop replying to them (or posting rubbish all together), do us a favor! We don't need to babysit & educate u here! Finally, being objective isn't being hateful, so stop wasting our time! Thanks in advance!


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:46 pm

    Oceanographic research vessel "Yantar" project 22010 in Buenos Aires





    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3003502.html

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:43 pm

    Karakurt info: https://russianmilitaryanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/karakurt-22800.jpg?w=640

    Russian Navy Hopes to get 3 Project 20386 Corvette / LCS by 2025: https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/november-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5748-russian-navy-hopes-to-get-three-project-20386-corvette-lcs-by-2025.html
    Interesting assessment:
    http://www.janes.com/images/assets/462/76462/Punching_up_Russias_smaller_surface_fleet_builds_bigger_impact.pdf

    Corvettes & frigates of the Russian Navy will be equipped with Zircons
    http://www.ng.ru/armies/2017-12-19/100_corvet191217.html?print=Y
    Icebreaker "Leader" can get armed:
    Installation of combat modules is possible only in a special period. At this time it is planned that the vessel can be enlisted to strengthen the naval grouping of the Northern Fleet, "the newspaper writes with reference to the representative of the naval commander-in-chief. ..
    All Soviet nuclear-powered icebreakers provided for the installation of artillery weapons in a threatened period. The development of modular technologies will allow expanding the range of installed weapons. The most demanded modules will be modules designed to solve air defense problems, but they still have to be created. We already have container "Caliber-K" with cruise missiles, with which the icebreaker will actually turn into a strike ship,.. https://topwar.ru/130224-ledokol-lider-mozhet-poluchit-vooruzhenie.html?utm_source=smi2
    If need be, they could even be sent South of the Arctic Circle as force multipliers, given delays in deliveries of other ship classes.
    http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2017-12-22/1_978_cusima.html


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:55 am


    Frigate Neustrashimi undergoing overhaul:



    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/101862/
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:45 pm


    Question

    They published new defense budget.

    So any news on procurements and fresh platforms?
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:15 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Question

    They published new defense budget.

    So any news on procurements and fresh platforms?

    Bad news, they are running out of money. They'll spend 2.8 trillion local money next year, down from 3.1 this year.

    In USD they're spending as much as Japan Suspect

    Most likely PAK FA and Armata will suffer from this. Apart from the usual, S-300PMU3, a few new choppers and planes and suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Singular_Transform on Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:30 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:

    In USD they're spending as much as Japan Suspect

    Most likely PAK FA and Armata will suffer from this. Apart from the usual, S-300PMU3, a few new choppers and planes and suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).

    The exchange rate affected by the banking interconnections, not by the military/industrial capabilities/capacities.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:11 pm

    1 stroke of the pen solved the shortage of sea-going minesweepers
    http://www.ng.ru/armies/2017-12-21/100_tral211217.html

    It seems there isn't enough of anything useful & up-to date in the RuN!


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:43 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Bad news, they are running out of money. They'll spend 2.8 trillion local money next year, down from 3.1 this year.

    In USD they're spending as much as Japan  Suspect

    suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).

    chicken Little - "sky is falling? " Smile

    not as Japan but ~ 80 bln USD comparing PPP , second is that some budgeting for military complex is form different pocket. Besides I guess all procurement systems improved, many factories were rebuilt so probably 2,8 blns should be enough.

    I did not hear about silence? they still are building corvettes MRKs and patroll boats,still subs. In short platforms to launch so called precision weapons.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:10 am

    Karakurts & other small boats now can cover the ME (incl. the Arabian Gulf), C. Asia (incl. Afghanistan) & E/C. Europe , Baltic & E/C Med. Seas from the Caspian & Black Seas!

    Good asymmetric response to NATO!
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:46 am


    I am honestly shocked at the absence of new Shtorm-class 100k ton supercarrier in new military budget.

    It's was definitely supposed to be built.

    Maybe it's a classified project?

    Most likely it's will be built in that secret Arctic shipyard.

    One next to Santa's house...

    Santa's elfs can do precision welding...

    Rudolph and his crew can handle R&D for EM catapults...

    Santa Claus can provide financing...

    I am not being serious guys...
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:53 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Bad news, they are running out of money. They'll spend 2.8 trillion local money next year, down from 3.1 this year.

    In USD they're spending as much as Japan  Suspect

    suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).

    chicken Little - "sky is falling? " Smile

    not as Japan but ~ 80 bln USD comparing PPP , second is that some budgeting for military complex is form different pocket.  Besides I guess all procurement systems improved, many factories were rebuilt so probably 2,8 blns should be enough.

    I did not hear about silence? they still are building corvettes MRKs and patroll boats,still subs.  In short platforms to launch so called precision weapons.

    The guy calls himself an engineer but he is too stupid to figure out that Russia uses Rubles, not USD. It should be simple to most "educated" that prices in Russia, especially weapons development, didn't double in cost because Ruble dropped in half compared to USD. This was clearly evident when Russia ordered Su-35's.

    "Oh no, Russia running out of money when it's economy is growing!". Seriously, either this guy is a great troller or a serious liar.

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:

    In USD they're spending as much as Japan  Suspect

    Most likely PAK FA and Armata will suffer from this. Apart from the usual, S-300PMU3, a few new choppers and planes and suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).

    The exchange rate affected by the banking interconnections, not by the military/industrial capabilities/capacities.

    Stop using logic, most members here are going to get a headache cause of it.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:57 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Bad news, they are running out of money. They'll spend 2.8 trillion local money next year, down from 3.1 this year.

    In USD they're spending as much as Japan  Suspect

    suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).

    chicken Little - "sky is falling? " Smile

    not as Japan but ~ 80 bln USD comparing PPP , second is that some budgeting for military complex is form different pocket.  Besides I guess all procurement systems improved, many factories were rebuilt so probably 2,8 blns should be enough.

    I did not hear about silence? they still are building corvettes MRKs and patroll boats,still subs.  In short platforms to launch so called precision weapons.

    2.8 trillion down from 3.1, is that also included in your PPP cliche answer?
    Russia is cutting their defense spending, projects will suffer more than they do right now.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:06 am


    Project 1234 Nanuchka-class missile ships (all of the ones in service, not just those two unfinished hulls that are also being redesigned) to receive Uran missiles (4x4, 16 in total) as part of overhaul and upgrade package, new engines as well, probably some other stuff like radars and whatnot...

    https://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/717076.html

    https://iz.ru/679884/nikolai-surkov-aleksei-ramm/ovodov-vooruzhili-uranom

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Tingsay on Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:51 am

    KiloGolf wrote:

    2.8 trillion down from 3.1, is that also included in your PPP cliche answer?
    Russia is cutting their defense spending, projects will suffer more than they do right now.

    Yes, they are cutting down on budget for 1 year, you are correct.
    You could've stopped there and made a valid opinion/concern... But then you had to add this:
    "In USD they're spending as much as Japan "

    which pretty much begs for the "cliche" answer.

    You do this all the time, make a valid point to (to create an illusion of being Fair?), but insert an idiotic comment here and there hinting on a deeper distaste for Russia. That's what makes you different from the other "intoxicators"(fairly reasonable people actually) in this forum.  Which makes it difficult for some to wonder what are you on about? Why are you in a Russia forums again? lol!
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:56 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Bad news, they are running out of money. They'll spend 2.8 trillion local money next year, down from 3.1 this year.

    In USD they're spending as much as Japan  Suspect

    suspicious silence on naval vessels (they said 300 vessels whatever that means, probably includes lifeboats, rafts and RHIBs).

    chicken Little - "sky is falling? " Smile

    not as Japan but ~ 80 bln USD comparing PPP , second is that some budgeting for military complex is form different pocket.  Besides I guess all procurement systems improved, many factories were rebuilt so probably 2,8 blns should be enough.

    I did not hear about silence? they still are building corvettes MRKs and patroll boats,still subs.  In short platforms to launch so called precision weapons.

    2.8 trillion down from 3.1, is that also included in your PPP cliche answer?
    Russia is cutting their defense spending, projects will suffer more than they do right now.

    We know you aren't very smart. That we get, you don't need to keep proving yourself. Why don't you go through the SAP thread and find out why it's 2.8T instead of 3.1T? Let me give you a hint - because SAP2020 is nearly ending and a huge portion of the money allocated for the program has been used and the next 3 years will be roughly same money to make to the 24T Rubles....
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:11 am

    I'm just going to put this whole thing to rest already...

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t24p225-military-budget-of-the-russian-federation#176903

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t24p250-military-budget-of-the-russian-federation#184194


    2011 - 1.515  
    2012 - 1.812
    2013 -  2.106
    2014 -  2.49
    2015 -   3.032  
    2016 -  3.889
    2017 -  2.84
    2018 -  2.728
    2019 -  2.816

    Total =  23,22 Trillion

    SAP -2020  projected a figure of 23 trillion rouble   (  20 Trillion of Military Budget + 3 Trillion for MIC )

    This was posted in 2016.  We we're already fully aware back then what the approved budget would be.  Most of you act as if it's a yearly thing but it isn't. These budgets are approved as a minimum from the proposed 5 or 10 year plan. Something that existed in Soviet times.  Only then is it partially adjusted to accommodate some changes example is that in 2016 they didn't actually spend 3.1T Rubles but 3.9T rubles due to some changes in infrastructure and payments overdue.  I would have figured some of you are smarter than this but I am clearly wrong.

    I'll add this in since people like to compare in USD when it makes zero sense:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t24p250-military-budget-of-the-russian-federation#178726

    Austin wrote:
    Does Russia have the financial means for its military ambitions?

    The usual retardation of using the dollar exchange rate to evaluate the economy of a country. Using this pre-school level thinking Russia's
    GDP must have shrunk by 60% between 2014 and 2015. Well, it only shrank by 3.5% and is going to grow this year and next. So either
    use rubles to evaluate the Russian military budget or shut the f*ck up.

    NATO bleaters are so full of shit it is coming out of their ears. Russian military product prices are not inflated corrupt prices like in NATO.
    So even if using rubles to evaluate the Russian military budget, one has to apply a mulitplier of between 3 and 6 to account for what those
    rubles can actually buy compared to what dollars can buy in NATO.

    Developments since 2014 have not been kind to Russia’s economy. Heavily dependent on oil and gas export revenues, the nation’s currency, gross domestic product (GDP), and real living standards, all suffered substantially from the sharp fall in oil prices that occurred in late 2014. Russian GDP shrank by 3.7% in real terms in 2015, and is generally expected to fall by a further 0.8% this year, according to the October 2016 forecast of the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

    In this paragraph they basically insinuate that that there has been some sort of massive drop associated with oil and gas revenues even though
    the numbers they cite do not support this claim whatsoever. In 2013 Russia's GDP included 13.7% for the whole gas and oil industry including
    value added production. If one applies a 50% reduction to this sector due to prices there should have been a 6.85% GDP drop from this alone
    but there was none and other factors drove the GDP drop. The reason is that the ruble revenue for the oil and gas stayed the same thanks to the
    ruble forex change. Russia's GDP does not operate on dollars. It operates on rubles.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  eehnie on Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:27 am

    miketheterrible wrote:I'm just going to put this whole thing to rest already...

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t24p225-military-budget-of-the-russian-federation#176903

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t24p250-military-budget-of-the-russian-federation#184194


    2011 - 1.515  
    2012 - 1.812
    2013 -  2.106
    2014 -  2.49
    2015 -   3.032  
    2016 -  3.889
    2017 -  2.84
    2018 -  2.728
    2019 -  2.816

    Total =  23,22 Trillion

    SAP -2020  projected a figure of 23 trillion rouble   (  20 Trillion of Military Budget + 3 Trillion for MIC )

    In overall terms I agree with your point, with what you want to say. Three details that must be included:

    - The data of spending for 2017 has been increased a little.
    - The data of spending for 2020 that is also included in the State Armament Program 2011-2020.
    - The integration of the State Armament Program 2018-2025(27) in this scheme.

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