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    Post  Isos on Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:20 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:Then execute someone this level incompetence is absolutely unacceptable. The Lider class should be to priority.

    And what would they need Liders for that is so urgent?

    No that urgent but navy is the first defence of a country. And they dramatically needs big ships to send them patrol the oceans.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:28 pm

    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:Then execute someone this level incompetence is absolutely unacceptable. The Lider class should be to priority.

    And what would they need Liders for that is so urgent?

    No that urgent but navy is the first defence of a country. And they dramatically needs big ships to send them patrol the oceans.

    Exactly my point big ships with range and endurance are requiered for both conventional and nuclear war in both defence and offence.

    Stop praising eaveything the Russian MOD does they may not be retards like nato but that does not make them omniscient.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:38 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:Then execute someone this level incompetence is absolutely unacceptable. The Lider class should be to priority.

    And what would they need Liders for that is so urgent?

    Because a proper navy needs some destroyers the Lider class would be incredibly usefull in both nuclear and conventional warfare so what is the excuse for not building it.

    Nuclear warfare: that's what nuke subs are for, surface fleet is just there to provide distraction

    Conventional warfare: for doing war with nobodies corvettes will do just fine, for doing ''taking you with me'' suicide missions versus USN fleet corvettes will do just as fine (probably even better because there would be more of them than Liders)


    Isos wrote:................
    No that urgent but navy is the first defence of a country. And they dramatically needs big ships to send them patrol the oceans.

    Super Gorshkov or even standard one can patrol oceans just fine, nuke subs are what keeps country of that size safe

    Keep the missiles top notch and you are golden
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:09 pm

    Lider class has greater endurance it can destroy enemy subs,aircraft,ICBMs and can be used to regroupe after a nuclear war.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:25 pm

    Very interesting article from Andrei Martyanov
    (SmoothieX12), posted at The Saker's Blog

    http://thesaker.is/the-russian-navy-at-the-crossroads-paradoxes-and-choices/
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:13 pm

    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:Then execute someone this level incompetence is absolutely unacceptable. The Lider class should be to priority.

    And what would they need Liders for that is so urgent?

    No that urgent but navy is the first defence of a country. And they dramatically needs big ships to send them patrol the oceans.
    Not quite sure why you would regard the Navy as the first line of defence for a country in the geographic position of Russia. That is the role of the army. Also not really sure why Russia needs surface ships to do anything other than protect its shores and maybe its submarines at a push.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:36 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Lider class has greater endurance...

    Lider does not exists ATM

    ...... it can destroy enemy subs, aircraft,....

    So can Gorshkov

    ....ICBMs...

    Nothing can do that

    .....and can be used to regroupe after a nuclear war.

    You need to look up what term 'nuclear war' actually means
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:54 pm

    The priority of the naval part of the state program of armament will be ships with high-precision missiles



    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4769897


    SAINT-PETERSBURG, November 29. / TASS /. The construction of ships of the near sea zone with high-precision cruise missiles and strategic and multipurpose submarines will be the key point of the naval part of the state program of armaments (GWP) for 2018-2027. This was stated on Wednesday by Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov.

    "A meeting was held in Sochi last week under the leadership of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, discussing in detail the new state armament program for the development of the Navy until 2027. The basic provisions that we have formed have been approved," Borisov said. at a meeting with the leadership of the Navy and representatives of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, dedicated to the implementation of the state defense order in 2017.
    According to him, "the main emphasis in the upcoming 10-year period will be made on the construction of ships near the sea zone, equipped with high-precision weapons, including cruise missiles." "We will also develop a strategic nuclear fleet, multi-purpose submarines, repair and modernization of ships of the far sea zone (nuclear missile cruisers) Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great." We have a lot of work to do, "the deputy minister added.
    Previously, Borisov reported on the results of the meeting in Sochi, that the main priority of the new LG will be the development of the forces of nuclear deterrence. In addition, special attention will be paid to high-precision weapon


    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4769897


    In short A2/AD for defensive purposes.





    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:Then execute someone this level incompetence is absolutely unacceptable. The Lider class should be to priority.

    And what would they need Liders for that is so urgent?

    Because a proper navy needs some destroyers the Lider class would be incredibly usefull in both nuclear and conventional warfare so what is the excuse for not building it.

    hmm and what are tasks of proper navy can you tell me please? Excuse - like always budget is finite sum of money.
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    Post  Tingsay on Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:10 am

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Lider class has greater endurance it can destroy enemy subs,aircraft,ICBMs and can be used to regroupe after a nuclear war.

    2 Super Gorshkovs > 1 Lider

    same reason why 2 decent sized carriers > 1 super carrier

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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:33 am

    Tingsay wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:Lider class has greater endurance it can destroy enemy subs,aircraft,ICBMs and can be used to regroupe after a nuclear war.

    2 Super Gorshkovs > 1  Lider

    same reason  why 2 decent sized carriers > 1 super carrier


    Especially if you mean a Kiev class those are both a useless carrier and a bad cruiser.

    The Lider has the role of anti sub in a nuclear war and will have the S-500 so it should have a chance to hit the old 1970s missiles the west relies on.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:05 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:...............

    The Lider has the role of anti sub in a nuclear war and will have the S-500 so it should have a chance to hit the old 1970s missiles the west relies on.

    That's some powerful koolaid you have been drinking

    Also, Lider does not exist and even if it did it would be useless in nuclear war same as any other surface vessel that does not take a bullet for nuclear subs to go trough
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:...............

    The Lider has the role of anti sub in a nuclear war and will have the S-500 so it should have a chance to hit the old 1970s missiles the west relies on.

    That's some powerful koolaid you have been drinking

    Also, Lider does not exist and even if it did it would be useless in nuclear war same as any other surface vessel that does not take a bullet for nuclear subs to go trough

    I mean usefull for destroying enemy subs.

    Oh and what does the "intoxicators" badge mean? I have seen that thing pop up quite allot on this forum.
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    Post  eehnie on Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:47 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Oh and what does the "intoxicators" badge mean? I have seen that thing pop up quite allot on this forum.

    Means misleading and deceptive indoctrinator. In this case against Russia. As example you can see his attitude in last part of the first paragraph of his last comment.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3416p175-auxilliary-vessels-special-purpose-and-minor-naval-ships#210414

    There is a group of them here, and some are proud of it.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:58 pm

    His last post has only got 1 line was something deleted?
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    Post  eehnie on Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:29 pm

    No, the last part of the line.

    The guy has also worse moments

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t6442p25-syrian-civil-war-news-13#194756
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:05 pm

    eehnie wrote:No, the last part of the line.

    The guy has also worse moments

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t6442p25-syrian-civil-war-news-13#194756

    That't pretty harsh considering that the'r Russias allies although if I must admit that I view 1 Russian life worth thousands of times more that the life of some nato filth.

    I think its probably a good thing I am not in command of a millitary.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:25 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Oh and what does the "intoxicators" badge mean? I have seen that thing pop up quite allot on this forum.

    It's a meme, a legend, an idea.
    It's a way of life. Intoxicators Strönk lol1

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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:43 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:It's a meme, a legend, an idea.
    It's a way of life. Intoxicators Strönk lol1

    Sounds like we need a "hazardous opinion removal team"
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    Post  Guest on Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:25 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:Oh and what does the "intoxicators" badge mean? I have seen that thing pop up quite allot on this forum.

    Means misleading and deceptive indoctrinator. In this case against Russia. As example you can see his attitude in last part of the first paragraph of his last comment.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3416p175-auxilliary-vessels-special-purpose-and-minor-naval-ships#210414

    There is a group of them here, and some are proud of it.

    Yes, proud and paid i must admit quite handsomly. Suspect
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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:23 pm

    Militarov wrote:Yes, proud and paid i must admit quite handsomly. Suspect

    Don't forget the access to the world's greatest steaks. lol1

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    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:13 am

    Russian destroyer Vice-Admiral Kulakov completes long-distance voyage

    MURMANSK, November 28. /TASS/. The festive ceremony of receiving the crew of the large antisubmarine warfare ship Vice-Admiral Kulakov after its long-distance voyage was held on Tuesday at the Northern Fleet’s main base in Severomorsk, the Fleet’s press office reported on Tuesday.

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    More:
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:24 pm

    Fresh image of Pacific Fleet's Kamchatka Rybachiy Nuclear Submarine Base in Vilyuchinsk on Kamchatka Peninsula. From left to right: Pr.955 Aleksandr Nevsky SSBN, Pr.949A Tomsk SSGN,Pr.667BDR Svyatoi Georgii Pobedonosets & Ryazan SSBNs

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    Russian MoD image gallery of Pacific Fleet's Kamchatka Rybachiy Nuclear Submarine Base:
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:21 am

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    Two Project 23321 Manul-class hovercrafts​ ordered for Project 23350 patrol icebreakers

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2996789.html
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:27 am

    I like that design sexy looking hovercraft.

    that said they should build about six of these at least.

    2 just isn't enough.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:41 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I like that design sexy looking hovercraft.

    that said they should build about six of these at least.

    2 just isn't enough.

    2 that we know of, I doubt they will stop with just 2, Arctic is big place 

    They are already talking about ordering another couple of Arktika nuclear icebreakers as well so smaller ones would be no brainier

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