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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:37 pm

    Didnt know where ro post this so here is a vid about the ka-25 helicopter.










    Edit: here is the normal link the video doesnt work with me so for others with the same problem:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ffShzAfi1As

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Fri May 02, 2014 2:23 pm

    TR1 any thing interesting in this interviews , Translator dont work well for me

    http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/arsenal/1307586-echo/
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 02, 2014 10:31 pm

    Nothing terribly interesting.

    Still talks about 6 11356M ships being destined for the BS fleet.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun May 04, 2014 12:15 pm

    My imagination on how the new russian destroyer should be:





    Destroyer "Yakov Sverdlov"
    Speed: 30+kn
    standard loadout:32x ASW klub
                           40x Land attack klub
                           40x onyx AShM
                           3x Ka-32 helos
                           80x S-400
                           2x2 152mm Coalition
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Mon May 05, 2014 8:43 am

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon May 05, 2014 10:49 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:My imagination on how the new russian destroyer should be:





    Destroyer "Yakov Sverdlov"
    Speed: 30+kn
    standard loadout:32x ASW klub
                           40x Land attack klub
                           40x onyx AShM
                           3x Ka-32 helos
                           80x S-400
                           2x2 152mm Coalition

    For a mid to top of the line destroyer you should use a Moskit follow-on rather than Oniks for your main anti-ship missile.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 05, 2014 11:47 am

    For a mid to top of the line destroyer you should use a Moskit follow-on rather than Oniks for your main anti-ship missile.

    Onyx replaces Moskit and Granit.

    For a future first line destroyer Zirconium should be the standard missile but as it will be fitted with UKSK launchers that means it can carry Onyx, Brahmos, Zircon, Brahmos II, Kalibr, or Klub family land attack, antiship, anti sub missiles in any combination... he notes on his drawing... 14 UKSK launchers... which means 5 UKSK launchers with Onyx (5x8=40) and 5 UKSK launchers with Kalibr (5x8=40), plus 4 remaining UKSK launchers for the anti sub Klub (4x8=32)

    Anti sub Klub is a ballistic rocket that is fired 40km at mach 2 and delivers a torpedo to hunt down subs... very rapidly and with little warning for the sub.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon May 05, 2014 10:38 pm

    Onyx replaces Moskit and Granit.

    For a future first line destroyer Zirconium should be the standard missile but as it will be fitted with UKSK launchers that means it can carry Onyx, Brahmos, Zircon, Brahmos II, Kalibr, or Klub family land attack, antiship, anti sub missiles in any combination...  he notes on his drawing... 14 UKSK launchers... which means 5 UKSK launchers with Onyx (5x8=40) and 5 UKSK launchers with Kalibr (5x8=40), plus 4 remaining UKSK launchers for the anti sub Klub (4x8=32)

    Anti sub Klub is a ballistic rocket that is fired 40km at mach 2 and delivers a torpedo to hunt down subs... very rapidly and with little warning for the sub.

    There is a Tsirkon family of missiles that is “identified” as being a replacement for the Oniks family.

    The Moskit follow-ons are about 1.5 times heavier than the Oniks family. Each generation of the Moskit follow-ons are much more superior to the corresponding generation of Oniks follow-ons. Moskit follow-ons, of course, use launchers that are larger than UKSK launchers.

    The Granit follow-ons are about 2 times heavier than the Oniks family. Each generation of the Granit follow-ons are much more superior to the corresponding generation of Moskit family follow-ons. Granit follow-ons, of course, use launchers that are larger than the launchers for the Moskit family.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 06, 2014 8:43 am

    There is a Tsirkon family of missiles that is “identified” as being a replacement for the Oniks family.

    Indeed the Zirconium missile is likely to be a scramjet powered Onyx... likely with new electronics and aerodynamic improvements to allow it to operate at hypersonic speeds.

    The Soviets had lots of different AShMs... early on they were liquid rocket propelled, but later turbojet powered and now ramjet powered missiles are common.

    The turbojet powered Granit basically replaced the liquid rocket powered Bazalt, but the Vulkan also was developed as a replacement... I guess they preferred the turbojet powered Granit over the liquid rocket propelled missiles.

    Moskit was the first rocket/ramjet powered anti ship missile the RuN used and was intended as an anti AEGIS missile at shorter ranges than open ocean. The Onyx also uses rocket/ramjet design, while Zircon uses rocket/scramjet propulsion.

    The Moskit follow-ons are about 1.5 times heavier than the Oniks family. Each generation of the Moskit follow-ons are much more superior to the corresponding generation of Oniks follow-ons. Moskit follow-ons, of course, use launchers that are larger than UKSK launchers.

    Onyx is the follow on missile to Moskit. Moskit upgrades add fuel to extend range and change flight profiles to further improve range and speed performance, but Onyx is the far superior missile in every sense.

    No model Moskit can reach targets at the 500km range of Onyx.

    the export model of the Onyx is Yakhont which outranges late model Moskit with a 300km range. Moskits are for export to China these days.

    The Granit follow-ons are about 2 times heavier than the Oniks family. Each generation of the Granit follow-ons are much more superior to the corresponding generation of Moskit family follow-ons. Granit follow-ons, of course, use launchers that are larger than the launchers for the Moskit family.

    What Granit follow ons?

    Weight is not a good indication of performance. Granit weighs 7 tons because it uses a turbojet engine and a lot of fuel to reach targets 500-600km away from the launch platform.

    Combined rocket/ramjet or combined rocket/scramjet propulsion is far more efficient, simpler, and cheaper than turbojet propulsion... and is used on Onyx/Yakhont/Brahmos and Zircon/Brahmos II respectively.

    There is no point in a Granit follow on today because it is no longer in production. They might be still making Vulkans, but the liquid propellent rocket motors might be a problem.

    It makes rather more sense to use up stocks of older missiles and focus on two types of launchers... below deck UKSK universal launcher for land attack, anti ship, and anti sub missiles, and the quad launcher for the light Kh-35M that is mounted above deck.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu May 08, 2014 2:09 pm

    So is my design adequate? Are there any major layout problems that I need to fix?

    I wish I had enough money to buy photoshop or corel Sad 
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  gaurav on Thu May 08, 2014 7:09 pm


    So is  my design adequate? Are there any major layout problems that I need to fix?


    Looks awesome..  Cool 
    On a lighter side yu can be the architect of of future Russian warships.

    I have some questions..

    what is the details about this Vulcan anti ship .. I tried to find but could not find much details on this.

    And what is the propulsion of Yakhont /Onyx is it liquid turbo jet or solid fuel ramjet.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  zg18 on Thu May 08, 2014 11:42 pm




    New BSF sub "Novorossiysk" demagnetization
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri May 09, 2014 11:11 am

    gaurav wrote:
    And what is the propulsion of Yakhont /Onyx is it liquid turbo jet or solid fuel ramjet.

    Liquid fuel ramjet with solid rocket booster.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Mon May 12, 2014 10:45 pm

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/848487.html

    One of the big advantages of now possessing Crimea. Admiral Levchenko is the first non-BSF ship to undergo repairs @ the 13th Naval Repair yard, after operations in the Mediterranean.
    Before non-BSF ships were not able to undergo serious repairs in Sevastopol, due to disputes with Ukraine on ship numbers and the like.

    This will help Russian Navy operations past the Mediterranean as well.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 13, 2014 12:32 am

    Another advantage will be the ability to secure the communications near the HQ and important buildings of the Navy...


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Tue May 13, 2014 9:05 am

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Tue May 13, 2014 2:46 pm


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Firebird on Tue May 13, 2014 9:35 pm


    Big, big shame. Was hoping the hull could be used for something. If only as a glorified flag flying operation/test vessel etc.
    Or another Kirov XL version( as its an extended Kirov class hull).

    Why bin the shell? The US de-reserved their Iowa class etc. Is it fried from radioactivity?
    Its not like the navy has recently been building a load of mega sized hulls..
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed May 14, 2014 12:45 am

    TR1 wrote:http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=387421&download=2&type=.jpg

    An unexpected visitor to the Black Sea!

    Ah Levchenko.

    BTW is that cruiser Kerch still operational ? I see it can have some good upgrades on air defense sector.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Wed May 14, 2014 1:05 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    TR1 wrote:http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=387421&download=2&type=.jpg

    An unexpected visitor to the Black Sea!

    Ah Levchenko.

    BTW is that cruiser Kerch still operational ? I see it can have some good upgrades on air defense sector.

    "operational" - has not really done much since they last took it out in 2008 or 2009 to make sure it could run (it did, 30+ knots actually!).
    Practically it has been in reserve, plan was to decom it by 2015.

    However, rumor has recently popped - might be going into repair. If true, it might actually stick around for a bit longer.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  gaurav on Wed May 14, 2014 5:47 am

    TR1 wrote:
    An unexpected visitor to the Black Sea!
    I see that they are new built ships.

    What is the project name for these ships numbers  713,605.

    I see they have slanted Anti ship launch tubes.
    These are non-VLS launching mechanisms..?
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed May 14, 2014 7:57 am

    gaurav wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    An unexpected visitor to the Black Sea!
    I see that they are new built ships.

    What is the project name for these ships numbers  713,605.

    I see they have slanted Anti ship launch tubes.
    These are non-VLS launching mechanisms..?

    They aren't new.

    713: Proekt 1134B, Berkut-B

    605: Proekt 1155, Fregat

    713 is Kerch' which is a modified proekt 1134B, Berkut-B ship, and there is the possibility that the official designation has actually received additional suffixes to indicate that, but I have never seen a new designation.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  George1 on Wed May 14, 2014 9:11 am

    Russia's Black Sea Fleet to Receive 30 New Ships by 2020 – Navy Commander

    MOSCOW, May 13 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Black Sea Fleet will be strengthened with some 30 warships, submarines and auxiliary vessels in the next six years, the head commander of the Russian navy said Tuesday.

    “The Black Sea Fleet must have a full complement of naval vessels to be capable of performing all assigned missions,” Adm. Viktor Chirkov said.

    “This is not a provocative military buildup. This is something the Black Sea Fleet urgently needs as it has not been receiving new vessels for many years,” the admiral said.

    According to the Defense Ministry, among the new vessels being built for the fleet are six Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates and six Varshavyanka-class (Improved Kilo-class) diesel-electric submarines.

    Russia’s Black Sea Fleet was founded by a decree of Empress Catherine the Great in 1783.

    The main tasks of the Black Sea Fleet are protecting the region’s economy, suppression of illegal activities, ensuring navigation safety, and the implementation of foreign policy actions in economically important areas of the oceans.

    Last year, the fleet’s vessels made nine long-distance cruises and visited 37 ports in thirteen countries.

    The aircraft and helicopters of the Black Sea Fleet’s naval aviation conducted more than 300 training flights, dropping sonobuoys and conducting exercises with bombs and missiles.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Wed May 14, 2014 2:27 pm

    According to charly blog



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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed May 14, 2014 2:40 pm

    Needs more cannons.

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