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    UKSK VLS System

    Post  George1 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:11 pm

    UKSK VLS how many Klub missiles per cell can accommodate?


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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:55 pm

    UKSK is an 8 tube system and can hold one Klub or Brahmos missile per tube or cell.
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:02 pm

    Note while UKSK is an 8 tube system larger ships can carry multiple UKSK launchers.

    The current plan is to fit 10 UKSK launchers to the Kirov class ships being upgraded, which means it could carry up to 80 Brahmos or Oniks supersonic anti ship missiles, or a combination of anti ship and land attack missiles and anti sub rockets delivering torpedoes.

    A corvette sized vessel might have one UKSK, while a Frigate sized vessel would have two and a Destroyer sized vessel might pack 3-4 UKSK systems.

    The system can also be carried by submarines.
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:37 pm

    George1 wrote:UKSK VLS how many Klub missiles per cell can accommodate?

    Like Garry said, 8, and the Gorshkov is supposed to have 2 UKSK installations.
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:02 am

    TR1 wrote:
    George1 wrote:UKSK VLS how many Klub missiles per cell can accommodate?

    Like Garry said, 8, and the Gorshkov is supposed to have 2 UKSK installations.

    I asked per cell not per module. Suppose we have 2 UKSK launchers with 16 cells. These cells how many missiles can accommodate?

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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  Austin on Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:12 am

    George1 wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    George1 wrote:UKSK VLS how many Klub missiles per cell can accommodate?

    Like Garry said, 8, and the Gorshkov is supposed to have 2 UKSK installations.

    I asked per cell not per module. Suppose we have 2 UKSK launchers with 16 cells. These cells how many missiles can accommodate?

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    UKSK VLS how many Klub missiles per cell can accommodate?

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:37 pm

    One missile per cell like Austin said.
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:11 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yOjpkCfL8PQ

    Very cool, first footage of UKSK use in Russian Navy, looks like Kalibr.
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  Viktor on Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:32 am

    TR1 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yOjpkCfL8PQ

    Very cool, first footage of UKSK use in Russian Navy, looks like Kalibr.

    Dangerous little ship with those missiles.
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:21 am

    Indeed. UKSK is a far scarier beast than Kh-35. This is one area of weakness that the Russian navy has (ship based land attack) that is going to be fixed with an accurate 2600km missile. And of course, a supersonic terminal stage AShM with 375km range is nice as well Very Happy .

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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:31 am

    AFAIK most previous heavy missiles were anti ship only, without any land attack capability at all.

    The Exception being of course Granat (SS-N-21) (Not to be confused with GRANIT which is carried on Oscar/Kirov/Kuznetsov), which eventually evolved into Klub/calibr/etc.

    The difference is that the old Granat had a nuclear warhead only, while now they have a similar range nuclear or conventionally armed Kalibr/Klub...

    With the ability to fill the tubes with subsonic 2,500km range land attack missiles, or subsonic anti ship missiles, or supersonic terminal phase anti ship missiles, or indeed the Onyx/Yahkont/Brahmos anti ship and land attack missiles or the supersonic rocket delivered anti sub torpedo model of Klub in any combination in each tube of the UKSK system... it is very flexible and makes the vessels carrying it fully multirole.


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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:31 am

    The clip confirms that there is a UKSK system located in front of Dagestan's bridge.
    As for what is in the housing at the stern...possibly another 1 or 2 UKSKs ???



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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:16 am

    No, the only UKSK is behind the gun.
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  runaway on Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:27 am

    Explain to me about VLS UKSK in russian navy, 1x8 cells, can they take 8 oniks or kalibr? What about up to 4 missiles per cell, that would make 32 missiles in 1x8 cells? which type of missile, or is it just VLS Redut AA?

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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:05 am

    Explain to me about VLS UKSK in russian navy, 1x8 cells, can they take 8 oniks or kalibr? What about up to 4 missiles per cell, that would make 32 missiles in 1x8 cells? which type of missile, or is it just VLS Redut AA?
    The purpose of UKSK is to replace Granit launchers and Vulkan launchers and Moskit launchers and also SS-N-14 launchers and SS-N-15/16 launchers with one unified launcher for all ships and subs in the Russian Navy.

    One UKSK launcher has 8 launch tubes and each of those tubes will fit one missile. All the missiles it carries are very much like torpedos in that they are long and relatively narrow, though Brahmos/Onyx isn't actually that narrow.

    On a small Corvette there will be room for one UKSK launcher but if that means 8 Onyx/Yakhont/Brahmos then that is pretty good weapon capacity better than previous vessels of that size. Frigates can carry 2 UKSK launchers for 16 missiles (which is twice the main weapon capacity of a Sovremmeny destroyer with 8 Moskits). Destroyers will likely have 4 UKSK launchers with 32 missiles, and Kirov is expected to have 10 UKSK launchers for 80 missiles when upgraded.

    One ship carrying up to 80 Onyx or Kalibr missiles is a very powerful ship... remember they have 80 tubes but the actual mix of weapons can be decided in port every time she goes to port.

    The current missiles she could carry include 2,500km range Kalibr land attack cruise missiles, 1,500km range Kalibr with a terminal mach 2.9 rocket stage for anti ship use, Onyx/Yakhont/Brahmos supersonic long range land attack, anti ship missile, and finally a 40km+ range mach 2.5 ballistic rocket with a torpedo payload for anti sub use.

    Future additions include Brahmos II and Zirconium hypersonic missiles.

    Redut is the SAM system designed around the old S-300 based Rif-M naval system. It has 32 tubes but because the new Vityaz SAM is designed from the 9M96 missile to fit 4 to a tube on the S-400 system it should be able to carry one S-400 in each tube with a flight range of 400km for the long range missiles and 250km for the standard missiles. For the smaller 9M96 missiles it will fit 4 missiles per original main tube, and the new IIR guided Morfei should be able to take that further being a smaller missile... perhaps two layers of 6 missiles.

    That would mean a single Redut system with 32 main tubes could carry 32 x S-400, or 128 x 9M96, or 384 x 9M100, or a combination of the three.

    Obviously one Frigate with one Redut system is one thing... imagine the Kirov with 4-6 Redut systems... or more...


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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  runaway on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:47 am

    GarryB wrote:Frigates can carry 2 UKSK launchers for 16 missiles (which is twice the main weapon capacity of a Sovremmeny destroyer with 8 Moskits). Destroyers will likely have 4 UKSK launchers with 32 missiles, and Kirov is expected to have 10 UKSK launchers for 80 missiles when upgraded.
    Thanks Gary, The Gorshkov frigate will have 16 VLS, but Grigorovich class only 8, yet they are similar in size. Guess it has to do with Gorshkov is a new design with VLS in mind.
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:15 pm

    runaway wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Frigates can carry 2 UKSK launchers for 16 missiles (which is twice the main weapon capacity of a Sovremmeny destroyer with 8 Moskits). Destroyers will likely have 4 UKSK launchers with 32 missiles, and Kirov is expected to have 10 UKSK launchers for 80 missiles when upgraded.
    Thanks Gary, The Gorshkov frigate will have 16 VLS, but Grigorovich class only 8, yet they are similar in size. Guess it has to do with Gorshkov is a new design with VLS in mind.
    The Grigorovich displacement is about 4000 T full load.
    The Gorshkov is 4500 T full load.
    The 500 T difference is substantial and more than justifies the 16 vs 8 VLS numbers.
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    UKSK launchers

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:30 pm

    It's interesting that the Russians appear to have two VLS designs ostensibly for the same missile types, ie the UKSK (based on 2x 4-missile tubular launchers) and the 3C-14 (based on a rectlinear box structure).  I've wondered if the UKSK is a surface derivative of the submarine launch tube developed for the Severodvinsk? The 3C-14 internals mark it clearly for use with surface combatants, and it is this design that will be installed for the Nahkimov re-build.
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  chicken on Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:14 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    It's interesting that the Russians appear to have two VLS designs ostensibly for the same missile types, ie the UKSK (based on 2x 4-missile tubular launchers) and the 3C-14 (based on a rectlinear box structure).  I've wondered if the UKSK is a surface derivative of the submarine launch tube developed for the Severodvinsk? The 3C-14 internals mark it clearly for use with surface combatants, and it is this design that will be installed for the Nahkimov re-build.

    They're the same

    The tube design is probably for standardization/modularity/ease of production for both surface and subs.

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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:31 am


    Ah, good reference.

    "Universal containerized launcher is a separate airtight magazine with fire-extinguishing, ventilating and water drain systems that considerably simplifies system installation and reduces installation time, as well as excludes the necessity to build special magazines on board."

    There appear to be two variants - a containerised launcher (ie the 4-missile tube) as a self-contained "bolt-on" solution, and a containerless version where the supporting services need to be designed and built into the vessel.  The image below seems to be the containerless version:



    AFAIK its the containerless system that is going into the Nahkimov as they are cheaper, and she is large enough to accomodate the necessary supporting services for 10x silos.  The containerised version is likely for small to medium vessels where space is more limited and only 1-2 silo are fitted
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  chicken on Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:24 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:

    There appear to be two variants - a containerised launcher (ie the 4-missile tube) as a self-contained "bolt-on" solution, and a containerless version where the supporting services need to be designed and built into the vessel.  The image below seems to be the containerless version:



    AFAIK its the containerless system that is going into the Nahkimov as they are cheaper, and she is large enough to accomodate the necessary supporting services for 10x silos.  The containerised version is likely for small to medium vessels where space is more limited and only 1-2 silo are fitted
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    I thought the Э meant it's for export?
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:15 am

    Not sure a containerless one would work as the missiles they carry are mostly hot launched...


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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue May 09, 2017 1:00 am

    Game changer: Russian SLCMs bring strategic effect

    http://www.janes.com/images/assets/147/70147/Game_changer_Russian_sub-launched_cruise_missiles_bring_strategic_effect_edit.pdf
    Here it also says that there are 4 missiles per tube. Also, their new ASCM's range is 660km. IMO, the Oscars already had "the strategic effect" with their 500km (just 160km less) range Granits!
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    Re: UKSK VLS System

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 12, 2017 10:20 am

    Also making it a missile war means ASW also becomes an air war... making a carrier even more useful.


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