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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:13 am

    hoom wrote:Couple of pics at Zaliv from https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/112711/

    wow dat beauty is fairly rusty

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:02 am

    Pretty sure the front one has red primer.

    But its pretty standard to just leave construction steel bare rusty like the rear one, you get a thin dusty layer on the surface which actually protects from further corrosion.
    Quick sand-blast once all the welding etc is done & then quickly primer before the fresh metal gets much time exposed to oxygen/damp.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:12 pm

    Test range gear on the foredeck?
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:44 pm

    Is this a hatch?
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:58 pm

    Hole wrote:Is this a hatch?

    Nope, a container

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  kumbor on Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:20 pm

    hoom wrote:Test range gear on the foredeck?

    There is no such terminology as "test range gear". It can be some "trials equipment" or "telemetric equipment for trials".

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  kumbor on Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:10 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Hole wrote:Is this a hatch?

    Nope, a container

    Kind of a portable switchboard, but rather big?

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:32 pm

    There is no such terminology as "test range gear". It can be some "trials equipment" or "telemetric equipment for trials".
    Just highlighting whatever it is dunno

    But just realised its not a recent pic (of the 2nd progressing on tests) thats Bykov before it got painted grey.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Labrador on Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:55 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    hoom wrote:
    Size of hulls say one - you can have similar full displacement I.e. you can easily arm 22160 with same weapons but still enjoy better buoyancy,range and top speed.
    22160 is actually a lot lighter 1500ton vs 2200+ so (if it doesn't outright capsize/sink) by the time you add the radar, EW & weapons of 20385 to 22160 you're going to have a much heavier 22160 -> much less speed & range for the same fuel/engine.

    wiki for 22160

    wiki for 20380


    Not sure if you noticed that you compare full displacement to standard. Compare also propulsion power. No,fuel volume wont change why? now there are many empty space for modules. Not to mention that originally 22160 had corvette variant with Kalibrs/Paket/Shtill (24 missiles BTW) so it is designed do carry weapons. Why would she capsized?

    Compared to 22160 20380 is simply loosing in all categories.

    Displacement.............................standard...............max
    22160 ...........................................1500t..................???
    22380............................................1800t..................2220t

    Engine power...............................kW
    22160..............................................25 000
    20380..............................................17 140





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    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Yup but Drezkyi is poorly equipped in anti-ship capabilities so its better to assumeit has anis sub mainobjective.
    It has 8 UKSK cells like frigate classes

    20386 Derzky has Kalibrs?! since when? Suspect Suspect Suspect all sources I have access to say 8x Kh 35. 22160 can carry even in patrol version 4xKalibr tho lol1 lol1 lol1


    Initial armament and finaly all missiles only in option disapointing for Russians fans ! only an OPV as this one for Arctic with reinforced hull













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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:10 am

    At Novorossysk https://barmacode1.livejournal.com/164909.html



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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:02 am

    Bykov started state tests https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%97%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B417/
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:25 am

    hoom wrote:At Novorossysk https://barmacode1.livejournal.com/164909.html

    wow sexy beasts. Love to see them also in armed versions someday ;-)
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  dino00 on Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:21 pm

    Project 22160 stealth ships will be armed with “sea killers” - attack helicopters Ka-52K “Qatran”. In fact, the patrol become universal platforms carrying the latest weapons - they will also receive surface and underwater drones. For the Navy, this will open up new opportunities: drones will be able to find naval targets - trespassers, smugglers and saboteurs. Ships will secretly approach the enemy and deliver a sudden helicopter strike. The state tests of the lead ship of the series “Vasily Bykov” and its sistership “Dmitry Rogachev” are now being completed in Novorossiysk. It is expected that they will be part of the Black Sea Fleet by the end of this year.

    The decision on the arming of the project 22160 patrol helicopters with the Ka-52K Katran helicopters was made during tests conducted at the Novorossiysk naval base, told Izvestia in the Main Command of the Navy. "Sea killers," as they call these helicopters in the fleet, will work in close conjunction with surface or underwater UAVs based on ships. If necessary, the crews of helicopters will be able to take control of the drone.

    The Ka-52K reconnaissance and attack helicopter is capable of striking armored and unarmored vehicles, manpower, surface and air targets. Initially, this machine was developed for the Mistral, therefore, the Katran is equipped with a folding propeller and wing consoles, on which the armament is mounted - subsonic anti-ship missiles X-31 or X-35.

    https://iz.ru/793131/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/morskie-ubiitcy-stels-storozheviki-poluchat-udarnye-vertolety
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:12 am

    dino00 wrote:Project 22160 stealth ships will be armed with “sea killers” - attack helicopters Ka-52K “Qatran”. In fact, the patrol become universal platforms carrying the latest weapons - they will also receive surface and underwater drones. For the Navy, this will open up new opportunities: drones will be able to find naval targets - trespassers, smugglers and saboteurs. Ships will secretly approach the enemy and deliver a sudden helicopter strike. The state tests of the lead ship of the series “Vasily Bykov” and its sistership “Dmitry Rogachev” are now being completed in Novorossiysk. It is expected that they will be part of the Black Sea Fleet by the end of this year.

    https://iz.ru/793131/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/morskie-ubiitcy-stels-storozheviki-poluchat-udarnye-vertolety

    Yo yo , DAT's mudda fuckin news! wow. I wonder if Ka-52k can also be used in ASW role.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:30 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:....
    Yo yo , DAT's mudda fuckin news! wow. I wonder if Ka-52k can also be used in ASW role.

    Doubtful, Alligators are strictly anti surface platform.

    But this is pretty damn interesting, can't wait to see it flying.

    Funny that they opted to forgo having SAR helicopter in favor of heavy attack platform like 52. Seems like risky approach.

    Would it be possible to have another helicopter parked instead of missile container in the back? It should fit since Derzkii-class​ can do it.

    One Ka-255 should fit in the back without problem, it would be wise to have it around just in case.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:14 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Funny that they opted to forgo having SAR helicopter in favor of heavy attack platform like 52. Seems like risky approach.
    because they want to destroy Ukro-micro-navy with application of Hermes-A missiles lol1 lol1 lol1

    Of course Mi-42 reincarnation could serve both missions thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

    Would it be possible to have another helicopter parked instead of missile container in the back? It should fit since Derzkii-class​ can do it.

    unlikely IMHO, it can rather be mission dependent. Either SAR or K-52k




    One Ka-255 should fit in the back without problem, it would be wise to have it around just in case.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:56 am

    Ka-52K fits with the anti-pirate mission.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:26 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:........
    Ka-226?

    Yes, Ka-52 can only carry pilots

    Although Bykov does have that armored landing craft so it's possible that they will be offloading transport helicopter duties to it and use Ka-52 to suppress any clowns dumb enough to shoot back

    And it's unlikely that this ship will be used near Ukraine, Ka-52s can reach any desired point from Crimea no problem
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote: Although Bykov does have that armored landing craft so it's possible that they will be offloading transport helicopter duties to it and use Ka-52 to suppress any clowns dumb enough to shoot back

    22160 is so called "modular ship" thus Ka-52k can be just one of "mission modules" , BTW this means that Bykov can have 11t MTOW helo. So Ka-27 should be an option for potential ASW application. !!!


    BTW Talking about Ka-52K
    It has more powerful radar and missile weapons than the basic version. The radar is used as an unusually powerful for helicopters " Zhuk-A " with a target detection range up to 200 km


    So we have small AEW too ;-)



    And it's unlikely that this ship will be used near Ukraine, Ka-52s can reach any desired point from Crimea no problem

    This is juts to pretend strafing run.  Starting form ship. No need for ammo then.












    hoom wrote:Ka-52K fits with the anti-pirate mission.

    true but Mi-42 fits both SAR & attack alike ;-)

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  kumbor on Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:........
    Ka-226?

    Yes, Ka-52 can only carry pilots

    Although Bykov does have that armored landing craft so it's possible that they will be offloading transport helicopter duties to it and use Ka-52 to suppress any clowns dumb enough to shoot back

    And it's unlikely that this ship will be used near Ukraine, Ka-52s can reach any desired point from Crimea no problem

    "Yes, Ka-52 only carry pilots" ???

    But for 20 years I`ve thought that Ka-52 is dedicated combat helicopter with many armament options! But if it "only carry pilots" it is small, light observation helicopter then!??
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Isos on Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:24 pm

    BTW Talking about Ka-52K
    It has more powerful radar and missile weapons than the basic version. The radar is used as an unusually powerful for helicopters " Zhuk-A " with a target detection range up to 200 km

    I would say it is optimized against ground/sea targets so hard to have it as a AEW. It also allows launch of kh-35 at long range without the need to provide them target location data by another plateform.

    For exemple egyptian ka-52 can monitor israeli ships and ports from west of Suez canal.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:53 pm

    Isos wrote:I would say it is optimized against ground/sea targets so hard to have it as a AEW. It also allows launch of kh-35 at long range without the need to provide them target location data by another plateform


    I didnt find any source claiming Zhk-A characteristics were modified for Ka-52 usage. Data below is from 2011 thus I guess now they should be better.
    BTW 200km is not for fighter but destroyer size object.


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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:55 pm

    kumbor wrote:
    "Yes, Ka-52 only carry pilots"  ???
    But for 20 years I`ve thought that Ka-52 is dedicated combat helicopter with many armament options! But if it "only carry pilots" it is small, light observation helicopter then!??


    PapaD was talking about how many people Ka-52 can carry... Razz Razz Razz
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Isos on Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:37 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Isos wrote:I would say it is optimized against ground/sea targets so hard to have it as a AEW. It also allows launch of kh-35 at long range without the need to provide them target location data by another plateform


    I didnt find  any source claiming Zhk-A characteristics  were modified for Ka-52 usage.  Data below is from 2011 thus I guess now they should be better.
    BTW 200km is not for fighter but destroyer  size object.

    130km for 3sqm jets won't make it AEW.

    Helicopter radar needs to have good resolution for mapping in order to use atgm from 10km away and in this case long range aginst naval threats.

    Puting a radar designed for fighters inside an helicopter without adaptating it for its needs is stupid. Better put them inside mig29smt and let ka-52 with old radar.

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