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    Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

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    medo

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  medo on Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:46 pm

    I like this 22160 corvette modular design. I know those first six ships for Black sea fleet will be patrol ship only, bur Russian NAVY could order more of them in ASW version for practically all fleets. It have a lot of space. They could take out strike boat and place towed sonar and in the place under helicopter landing pad, they could place torpedo launcher. It's nose is already designed in the way, that they could easily place sonar bulbe. In the place for marines, they coulod install weapons control compartment. Ant it still have hangar and helipad for ASW helicopter. It is big enough to be very effective ASW ship and have enough endurance for submarine hunting.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Hole on Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:12 pm

    Modular design. ASW-Version. You are contradicting yourself.
    No need to get rid off the "speed boat". They are developing a towed sonar array which comes in an container, so it will fit into the smart deck.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:54 am

    Towed sonar has numerous advantages and is essential kit for any effective ASW vessel, but its not available 24/7/365 like a bow sonar or hull mounted hydrophone arrays.  A true ASW ship needs both.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:52 am

    Yeah a slightly specialised ASW version with hull mounted sonar could be good, can still have modular bay for towed sonar/kalibr etc.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:21 am

    For all we know a fully amphibious version of the Ka-226T could be developed that can land on the water and lower sonar into the water to find targets with the engines running but not burning much fuel.

    It could equally drop a platform that has a dipping sonar on it and leave it there for a few hours.

    The small size and light weight of the Ka-226T could allow two or three helos to be carried per boat, with modular cabins that can be added for the mission at hand...

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Isos on Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:53 am

    They already have ASW version of Gepard class frigate.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Hole on Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:24 am

    Dedicated manned ships for ASW are a thing of the past. There are helicopter drones (with dipping sonars and sonobuoys), unmanned boats (with towed sonar arrays or VDS) and underwater robots (Harpsichord-2M, Cephalopod) in the pipeline. Some of the UUV´s are like swimming sonobuoys, a ship could carry a lot of them.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Isos on Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:08 am

    Hole wrote:Dedicated manned ships for ASW are a thing of the past. There are helicopter drones (with dipping sonars and sonobuoys), unmanned boats (with towed sonar arrays or VDS) and underwater robots (Harpsichord-2M, Cephalopod) in the pipeline. Some of the UUV´s are like swimming sonobuoys, a ship could carry a lot of them.

    You still need a ship for them and operators. Drone boats are small and won't be usefull unless you search for a sub in your own waters. Actually you need a big ship to carry many of them.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  medo on Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:35 am

    22160 should be specialized ASW ship developed from modular patrol ship. It is already well developed for this job.



    Nose of the 22160 ship is already well designed for instalation of sonar bulb without big modifications. Towed sonar should be used from lover deck for strike boat simply because it is at water line and because it have ideal back door to operate it. Upper deck could be used for torpedo launchers, if they install torpedos on other location, they have a lot of space to use containers with underwater robots, equippment for divers or sea mines. On the sides of hangar they coul install Palma AD complexes with Sosna missiles and this would be enough for ship protection. They are big enough to work well in closed sea like Black sea or Baltic sea as well as in open ocean.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Hole on Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:47 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:Dedicated manned ships for ASW are a thing of the past. There are helicopter drones (with dipping sonars and sonobuoys), unmanned boats (with towed sonar arrays or VDS) and underwater robots (Harpsichord-2M, Cephalopod) in the pipeline. Some of the UUV´s are like swimming sonobuoys, a ship could carry a lot of them.

    You still need a ship for them and operators. Drone boats are small and won't be usefull unless you search for a sub in your own waters. Actually you need a big ship to carry many of them.



    You can control them from ashore. With unmanned boats, subs and helis you can seal off the Baltics, Black Sea, even the Med.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:48 am



    I wonder when we'll start seeing container modules? Will they test & accept them before accepting the ship?
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Hole on Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:45 am

    I doubt it. The containers are likely self-sufficent, except energy. Put them into the ship, plug them in and go.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  miroslav on Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:51 pm

    hoom wrote:

    She's purdy.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  miroslav on Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:09 pm

    What about the ships in Zaliv shipyard, two of them.

    Can we expect at least one of them to be completed by the end of the year, any recent pictures?
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:29 am

    Upper deck could be used for torpedo launchers, if they install torpedos on other location, they have a lot of space to use containers with underwater robots, equippment for divers or sea mines.

    Medvedka would likely be much easier, though any ships with UKSK launchers can carry anti sub torpedo ballistic rockets... in the Klub family.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:25 am




    What about the ships in Zaliv shipyard, two of them.

    Can we expect at least one of them to be completed by the end of the year, any recent pictures?
    This was July


    Just took this from Yandex maps

    Doesn't have a specific date other than 2018 but Bykov is moored to the wall a bit to South, I think before it showed up in Novorossyk in March.
    Not particularly looking likely to complete this year I think.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:16 am

    22160 should be specialized ASW ship developed from modular patrol ship. It is already well developed for this job.

    You are missing the point of modular... the point is to make ships fully multirole.

    Obviously smaller ships will have less space and manpower and equipment for every single role but larger ships will fill those gaps, plus land based aircraft and sea based systems... which would include unmanned platforms based on small, medium, and large vessels. The latter being larger and longer ranged systems of course, but those could also be port based for close in operations with smaller vessels and coastal control.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:26 pm

    Passing Rostov on Don on 16th


    You are missing the point of modular... the point is to make ships fully multirole.
    I don't think it would be easy to modular a decent hull-mounted sonar so I was thinking do that, won't hurt other roles but would improve the ASW role.
    On the other hand for proper ASW the hull & propulsion will need to be properly silenced, I can't imagine there has been much if any effort on that with these ships.
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:51 am

    All ships would benefit from being quiet, and all vessels would benefit from being multirole platforms...

    The question is... is there room for everything, and in the room available what sort of performance are you going to get.

    Obviously the performance from a small ship can't be compared with the potential from a larger vessel, but these ships wont be operating on their own... they have satellite and land links and they are fully integrated into the Sigma battlespace system so they can share C4IR with other platforms underwater, on the water surface, on land, in the air, and in space.

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:55 am

    Arrived at Kerch https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/110990/

    All ships would benefit from being quiet, and all vessels would benefit from being multirole platforms...

    The question is... is there room for everything, and in the room available what sort of performance are you going to get.
    Sure but UK Type 45 for example apparently skipped quieting tech -> is noisy, meanwhile Type 26 are super expensive in part because they're getting extensive quieting tech for ASW role.

    More room in a 22160 than in a Grisha at least, importantly including a chopper & from comments on Balancer a lot of the volume is unused in Bykov.
    As pointed out by someone in 22800 thread part of that Grisha ASW task is being replaced with the 20380s, but the announced distribution of them is 6 each for Baltic & Pacific with no more planned so seems to me there is need for some new small ASW ships in BSF & North fleets.
    Perhaps they are just expecting the Frigates to do it though dunno

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:56 pm


    Cool

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  Tingsay on Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:00 am

    hoom wrote:
    Cool

    This class is seriously a contender for best looking warship of all time. Anybody got other good looking warships I can look at?
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:30 am

    Tingsay wrote:
    hoom wrote:https://2018.f.a0z.ru/09/10-6655525-vasilij-bykov.jpg
    Cool

    This class is seriously a contender for best looking warship of all time. Anybody got other good looking warships I can look at?

    Maybe Derzkii-class but it's still under construction....

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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  hoom on Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:25 am

    This class is seriously a contender for best looking warship of all time.
    Its a bit funny looking from the back though
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    Re: Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:17 am

    Its a bit funny looking from the back though

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