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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:37 pm

    Shtil is probably too much for a 1500T ship.
    The naval TOR or the new 9M100 missiles shown at MAKS-2017 are more likely.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:28 pm


    These ships were never supposed to be actual warships, more as LACM platforms like Buyans in case of war but still, such anemic AA is a missed opportunity.

    They will definitely get the mileage out of them. With 60 days endurance they will be able to cover East Africa and Central Pacific/Atlantic with two of them, use other two to cover Russia's coastal region and keep two other in maintenance or on diplomatic tours and visits.  

    This will free up proper warships for proper naval duties instead of pirate/poacher/PR and other nonsense. But they need to slap together rest of them fast and then free up Zelenodolsk for construction of proper naval corvettes.

    Let's just hope that end price is not idiotic.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  Benya on Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:14 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    These ships were never supposed to be actual warships, more as LACM platforms like Buyans in case of war but still, such anemic AA is a missed opportunity.

    They will definitely get the mileage out of them. With 60 days endurance they will be able to cover East Africa and Central Pacific/Atlantic with two of them, use other two to cover Russia's coastal region and keep two other in maintenance or on diplomatic tours and visits.  

    This will free up proper warships for proper naval duties instead of pirate/poacher/PR and other nonsense. But they need to slap together rest of them fast and then free up Zelenodolsk for construction of proper naval corvettes.

    Let's just hope that end price is not idiotic.

    I agree that those Gibkas are laughable for a ship of this size, but let's hope that they will have at least a naval Tor or Pantsir-ME. Pictures in various previous posts in this thread indicate that these ships will be modular, multi-mission vessels, and they can carry a wide range of weapons, so such SHORAD systems should not be ruled out.

    Indeed, they would be useful to free up some corvettes patrolling Russia's littoral waters, or frigates/destroyers in anti-piracy operations for example in the Gulf of Aden or basically anywhere.

    TheArmenian wrote:Shtil is probably too much for a 1500T ship.
    The naval TOR or the new 9M100 missiles shown at MAKS-2017 are more likely.

    I have read it from some sources that those containers placed behind the heliport could be used to launch Shtil SAMs.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  franco on Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:24 pm

    That container space can also carry the new BK-16's and BK-10's for interdiction and special operations.

    http://nevskii-bastion.ru/bk-16/
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  Benya on Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:50 pm

    Project 22160 Patrol Ships to be Equipped with Kamov Ka-29 Assault Transport Helicopters

    Russia’s newest Project 22160 patrol ships will be reinforced with Ka-29 assault/transport helicopters, the newspaper Izvestia reports. Each rotorcraft can be equipped with guided missiles, unguided rockets, bombs and aircraft guns and also carry 16 marines in full kit. Previously, the Ka-29 was stationed only on ground airfields and deployed aboard large landing ships and the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.


    Russian Navy Kamov Ka-29 in flight. Picture: Dmitry Ryazanov

    As Izvestia was told at the Navy General Staff, the decision to deploy the Ka-29 assault/transport helicopters aboard the Project 22160 patrol ships has been made. The necessary changes were made to the construction project: in particular, there will be storage spaces on the ships for air weapons, while the ship’s electronic systems will be able to communicate with the Ka-29’s onboard navigation system. Currently, two types of helicopters are deployed on Russian cruisers, destroyers, frigates and corvettes - Ka-27PL anti-submarine and Ka-27PS search-and-rescue ones. They are not equipped with missiles and guns and cannot carry marines.

    The Project 22160 patrol ships (corvettes), depending on the mission, can be equipped with modules accommodating additional weapons and equipment (radar, electronics, SOF support). These corvettes are planned to be used to protect territorial waters, counter smuggling, combat piracy and provide assistance to those in distress. According to experts, to cope with tasks, the Project 22160 ships need exactly the assault/transport Ka-29s rather than traditional ASW and SAR helicopters.


    Project 22160 Patrol Ship under constructionThe first Project 22160 Patrol Ship "Vasily Bykov" seen under construction at Zelenodolsk shipyard on 23.06. 2017. Picture via vk.com/milinfolive

    "When patrolling Russia’s territorial waters and exclusive economic zone, as well as during counter-piracy operations, the crews of patrol ships will have to inspect various vessels and boats," independent military expert Prokhor Tebin told Izvestia. "For the Ka-27PS and Ka-27PL, it’s quite difficult to cope with such tasks, especially if the enemy provides armed resistance. Unlike the Ka-29, these vehicles do not come equipped with weapons and armor. With the Ka-29, the new patrol ships will be unique platforms for carrying out special and subversive operations, and combating enemy floating equipment in the coastal zone."

    The first Project 22160 patrol ship Vasily Bykov was laid down in 2014. The ships are under construction at the Zelenodolsk Shipyard and Zaliv Shipyard in Kerch, Crimea. A total of six modular patrol ships are to be built. They will be part of the Black Sea Fleet, where a new task force based in Novorossiysk will be formed.


    Project 22160 patrol ship. Picture: Severnoye Design Bureau

    With a displacement of 1800 tons, the ship is 94 meter long, has a speed is about 30 knots (about 55 km/h) and a cruising range of over 5,000 nautical miles. In addition to the modules, the ship’s organic armament includes a 76-mm automatic gun, a SAM system and cruise missile launchers.

    The Ka-29 helicopter was developed and adopted in the early 1980s. In total, more than 60 vehicles were built. With a flight speed of 235 km/h, the mission radius of the helicopter is about 600 km. The Ka-29 can carry the Ataka anti-tank missiles and the S-8 unguided rocket pods on four underwing hardpoints. By the early 2000s, almost all Ka-29s had been mothballed. However, in 2014, the Navy decided to return these helicopters to service, Izvestia notes: accordingly, their rotor masts and engines were overhauled

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  Rmf on Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:24 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:This is what a jobs program looks like. Congrats Russia, you've made it to the club along with western navies (think German, RN, USN and so on) receiving vessels for glorified Coast Guard duty.

    It's basically not armed, but sure as hell looks mean lol1
    RN's River class is now officially jealous and the Germans feel less stupid with their F125s.
    well its a luxury FSB yacht ...
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:17 pm

    Rmf wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:This is what a jobs program looks like. Congrats Russia, you've made it to the club along with western navies (think German, RN, USN and so on) receiving vessels for glorified Coast Guard duty.

    It's basically not armed, but sure as hell looks mean lol1
    RN's River class is now officially jealous and the Germans feel less stupid with their F125s.
    well its a luxury FSB yacht ...


    Neutral Ships like these are a requirement for any navy.

    Are you honestly going to send a dedicated warship to carry out anti piracy operations? that is a waste.

    Ships like these have their place they free up other ships to do the jobs they are designed for and there is nothing wrong with project 22160's.

    Anyone who is saying this never served on a navy vessel. It can have container Kalibers or Sams if it wants, which does the exact same shit has the regular VLS.

    It's unclear yet if it has front mounted VLS, however, again the ship is fine and Russia needs a couple of these in her fleet.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:55 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Neutral Ships like these are a requirement for any navy.
    Are you honestly going to send a dedicated warship to carry out anti piracy operations? that is a waste.
    Ships like these have their place they free up other ships to do the jobs they are designed for and there is nothing wrong with project 22160's. .....

    That's exactly my take on this.

    I remember when frigate Yaroslav Mudriy (one that was drag racing with Burk destroyer couple of times) was sent to Syria.

    They spent several weeks on war deployment and then moved on to do anti-piracy mission off East Africa and after that they sailed to Cuba on diplomatic/friendly visit.

    Total waste. Instead of contributing in a war they were doing crap jobs who knows where.

    22160 has two months endurance. That means that they could have done 6 weeks of anti-piracy job, move on to Cuba for a visit and be back home on a single tank of gas.

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:.........
    It's unclear yet if it has front mounted VLS, however, again the ship is fine and Russia needs a couple of these in her fleet.

    Next one might get something bigger, who knows. First ships of the class in Russia tend to get a lighter gear than the rest.

    First Steregushi has Kashtan, rest of them got Redut.
    First Karakurt has AK-630, others are supposed to get Pantsir.
    Firt Derzkii will have Uran AShM and they already talk about others getting UKSK off the bat.

    First 22160 will have Uran containers and second one is supposed to get Kalibr containers. Maybe it will get extra AA system as well.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:19 pm

    Last few minutes of the program shows glimpses of the first unit (Vassily Bykov) when it was still in the covered construction yard:
    Good views of the bow and 76mm gun.
    No vertical launch clusters up front Sad
    Ship will carry KALIBR in containers at the stern Very Happy
    Stealthiest ship in Russian Navy.
    Long endurance.

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  franco on Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:28 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Last few minutes of the program shows glimpses of the first unit (Vassily Bykov) when it was still in the covered construction yard:
    Good views of the bow and 76mm gun.
    No vertical launch clusters up front  Sad
    Ship will carry KALIBR in containers at the stern  Very Happy
    Stealthiest ship in Russian Navy.
    Long endurance.


    Two of these with a Ka-29, 2 BK-10's (side mounted) and 1 BK-16 carried in the stern hull each, transporting a company of marines between them, could do a lot of interdiction. Apparently the same thing is envisioned for the larger Arctic Patrol Ship 23550.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:53 pm

    I don't think this guy in the video got it right, they were pretty specific about first ship getting Uran containers. Next one gets Kalibrs.

    Also, like I said before, maybe they will start installing AA missiles with the second ship, many lead ships in the class so far had lighter weapons setup installed.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:49 am

    PapaDragon wrote:I don't think this guy in the video got it right, they were pretty specific about first ship getting Uran containers. Next one gets Kalibrs.

    Also, like I said before, maybe they will start installing AA missiles with the second ship, many lead ships in the class so far had lighter weapons setup installed.

    Where did you get the URAN information from?
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    Post  hoom on Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:31 am

    Where did you get the URAN information from?
    There is this which shows Uran, VDS, medical & a mini-sub as Modules

    And there have been some official statements/statements by officials indicating that later ships would have Kalibr implying the first one(s?) won't.

    But I don't get why there would be some capable of Kalibr & others only Uran if its both by container Module.

    From the vid, very interesting bow on it, seen in the models & CGI previously but not from that angle.

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  miroslav on Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:44 pm

    hoom wrote:
    From the vid, very interesting bow on it, seen in the models & CGI previously but not from that angle.

    Honestly, the bow was the most interesting part of the video, I haven't seen it in any pictures so far.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:46 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:I don't think this guy in the video got it right, they were pretty specific about first ship getting Uran containers. Next one gets Kalibrs.

    Also, like I said before, maybe they will start installing AA missiles with the second ship, many lead ships in the class so far had lighter weapons setup installed.

    Where did you get the URAN information from?

    We posted article here, news came from one of Navy bigwigs. It's official.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:22 pm

    Vassily Bykov has been launched.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:24 pm

    And christened by a rainbow!
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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:00 am

    JSC Zelenodolsky Plant named after A.M. Gorky signed on October 9, 2014 a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry to build five serial patrol ships of Project 22160 with factory numbers 162, 163, 164, 165 and 166. At present, the Zelenodolsk Plant has built four serial ships of this project - Dmitry Rogachev "(factory number 162, laid July 25, 2014)," Paul Derzhavin "(plant number 163, laid February 18, 2016)," Sergei Kotov "(factory number 164, laid May 8, 2016) and" Victor the Great " (Serial number 165, laid down on November 25, 2016), and construction of the ships "Pavel Derzhavin" and "Sergei Kotov" is carried out at the Zaliv factory in Kerch. The contractual date for the delivery of ships with factory numbers 162, 163 and 164 - 2018, with factory numbers 165 and 166 - 2019. All six ships of Project 22160 are intended for the Black Sea Fleet.

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  hoom on Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:28 pm

    Vassily Bykov has been launched.
    cheers
    Looking very complete there, can't be long till they take it down-river.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:54 am

    The main patrol ship of project 22160 "Vasily Bykov" is towed to the Black Sea

    Reportedly, the main patrol ship of Project 22160 Vasily Bykov, completed by construction for the Russian Navy at Zelenodolsky Plant named after A.M. Gorky "(the enterprise belongs to the group of companies of JSC" Holding Company "Ak Bars") was started by towing along inland waterways from Zelenodolsk to the Black Sea. Presumably, the ship will be delivered to Kerch at LLC "Shipbuilding Plant" Zaliv "(located at the end of 2014 under the management of Zelenodolsk Plant named after AM Gorky) for completing and conducting factory running tests.



    The main patrol ship of project 22160 "Vasily Bykov" (plant number 161) is built on JSC "Zelenodolsky Plant named after A.M. Gorky "for the Russian Navy under a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry on April 11, 2014, although in fact it was laid at the enterprise on February 26, 2014. Project 22160 was developed by JSC Northern Design Bureau (St. Petersburg).

    "Vasily Bykov" was withdrawn from the slip of the Zelenodolsk plant in June 2017 and without special publicity was launched in late August. According to the contract, the ship was planned for delivery in 2017, but, apparently, this period will not be sustained.

    JSC Zelenodolsky Plant named after A.M. Gorky "also concluded on October 9, 2014 a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry to build five serial patrol ships of the project 22160 with factory numbers 162, 163, 164, 165 and 166. At present, the Zelenodolsk plant has laid four serial ships of this project -" Dmitry Rogachev (factory number 162, laid July 25, 2014), Pavel Derzhavin (plant number 163, laid February 18, 2016), Sergei Kotov (factory number 164, laid May 8, 2016) and Victor the Great (serial number 165, laid down on November 25, 2016), and construction about the ships "Pavel Derzhavin" and "Sergei Kotov" is carried out at the Zaliv plant in Kerch. The contractual date for delivery of ships with factory numbers 162, 163 and 164 - 2018, with factory numbers 165 and 166 - 2019. All six ships of Project 22160 are intended for the Black Sea Fleet.

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:06 pm

    And in The Zaliv shipyard (Kerch, Crimea) the second unit  DINITRY ROGACHEV and behind it the 3rd unit PAVEL DERZHAVIN are being built.

    EDIT

    Correction these are the 3rd (PAVEL DERZHAVIN) and 4th (SERGEI KOTOV) units.

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  hoom on Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:52 am

    a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry to build five serial patrol ships of the project 22160 with factory numbers 162, 163, 164, 165 and 166. At present, the Zelenodolsk plant has laid four serial ships of this project
    I thought it was a contract for 6 with 5 laid down?

    Edit: oh, 1 prototype + 5 production, I always get tripped by the way Russian sources do that Embarassed
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    Post  franco on Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:03 am

    So I don't need to say nothing Smile
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    Post  BM-21 on Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:08 am

    If I may ask, is it definite that at least some of the ships will be getting VLS cells for Kalibr?


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    Post  franco on Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:36 am

    It is a definitely a maybe Rolling Eyes
    Or we can wait until we actually see it.

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