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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  hoom on Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:34 pm

    looks like they elevated deck that carries container launchers to free up some space below
    Nope, this pic is from at least Feb 2016 showing similar rear end


    An interesting theory from Balancer on how Shtil-1 option could work.
    We've seen this pic with unknown octagonal phased arrays on the mast (though the models with phased array have rectangles)

    Well they look quite similar to the Buk-M2/3 TELAR radar from NIIP

    NIIP product page wrote:allows the SAM to simultaneously track 24 different air targets, with simultaneous firing for 6 of them.
    I believe this is actually a proper radar rather than just a continuous-wave illuminator so 4 of those with appropriate software/processing could provide 360deg tracking & fire-control.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:56 am

    I seem to remember on some early prototypes for very small vessels with helos that they had retractable helo shelters to allow the aircraft to be worked on under cover in bad weather or cold conditions.


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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  hoom on Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:28 am

    Yes, my understanding is 22160 has one of those retractable hangars.

    Bigger pic


    I think this one is the IMDS model, has the 76mm gun.


    Edit: couple more IMDS model pics

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:40 am

    The Vassily Bykov.
    Photo is several months old.

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:27 am


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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  hoom on Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:24 pm

    Definitely a handsome modern looking ship Cool
    Mast on the stern for transport downstream to Black Sea?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:07 pm

    hoom wrote:Definitely a handsome modern looking ship Cool
    Mast on the stern for transport downstream to Black Sea?

    Problem is that I don't see any slots or covers for AA systems behind the gun. Are they even installed or planned?

    Could be just photograph though...
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    Post  hoom on Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:56 pm

    Well thats the million dollar question.

    I actually don't think its got them.
    Its only very recently we've seen those pics showing VLS, none of the models (CGI or physical) actually have them & I don't believe any official statements said there would actually be VLS.

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  miroslav on Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:39 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    hoom wrote:Definitely a handsome modern looking ship Cool
    Mast on the stern for transport downstream to Black Sea?

    Problem is that I don't see any slots or covers for AA systems behind the gun. Are they even installed or planned?

    Could be just photograph though...

    It's not going to have any SAM systems, the point of this ship is the same as the, for instance, the Italian Comandanti class, a large patrol/corvette ship for long range patrolling and territorial water control, for that a god universal gun, machineguns (or 20/25 mm guns) and a helicopter is all it needs, this is never meant to be a proper fighting ship, the only thing that sets it apart from the rest are Kalibr launchers and when that is counted in, it has much more firepower than anything else in the same class.  

    Other than it's primary purpose the second thing it will achieve that is important is that the larger frigates, heavy missiles corvette or anything bigger will no longer have to waste it's resources on "simple" paroling missions but they will be used for what they are build for, actual combat missions and patrols.  

    The reason I say this is not a real combat ship is it cant perform escort missions, and by escort and don't mean pirate and terrorist speed boat defense, I mean, air defense. Any ship in order to perform a real escort mission needs to handle two out of the tree main threats (surface, subsurface and air), currently the 22160 can launch Onix or Kalibr anti ship missiles and that is awesome, but a 76 mm gun is not and adequate AA defense.

    If it only had a Pantsir (or similar) module that would make all the difference in the world, that would make it a long range Karakut with a helicopter.

    They could have put in a AK-630M2 Duet on a raised platform behind the main gun, at least, still don't get why not put a pair of AK-630 (they will scare away any sped boat).

    Personally, given the state of the RF I think it's foolish to make a 94m ship and not make it a "real" combat ship.

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    Post  miroslav on Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:47 pm

    hoom wrote:Definitely a handsome modern looking ship Cool
    Mast on the stern for transport downstream to Black Sea?

    Is it possible that both the 22160 and the Buyan will be fitted out in Zaliv, Kerch shipyard, one more 22160 is already there (or maybe 2).

    The Buyan already started the transition, as far as I can tell it already has all the parts ready.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  Benya on Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:03 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
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    ... even though that Buyan-M is dwarfed by it.

    Looking cool BTW, will look even better at sea.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  franco on Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:59 pm

    Armament:

    1 Ka-27PS helicopter
    9K338 «Igla-S» SAM system (8 9M342 missiles)
    1x1 76 mm AK-176MA
    2x1 14,5 mm MTPU
    2x10 55 mm DP-65 grenade launchers (RG-55M, GRS-55 grenades)
    ?x2 45 mm DP-64 grenade launchers (SG-45, FG-45 grenades)

    Can carry container mounted SSM or SAM in a rear compartment.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:50 pm

    franco wrote:Armament:

    1 Ka-27PS helicopter
    9K338 «Igla-S» SAM system (8 9M342 missiles)
    1x1 76 mm AK-176MA
    2x1 14,5 mm MTPU
    2x10 55 mm DP-65 grenade launchers (RG-55M, GRS-55 grenades)
    ?x2 45 mm DP-64 grenade launchers (SG-45, FG-45 grenades)

    Can carry container mounted SSM or SAM in a rear compartment.

    No Shtil or Redut? That's a massive downgrade from what as advertised.

    So basically it's a Buyan-M with two months endurance.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:30 am

    franco wrote:Armament:

    1 Ka-27PS helicopter
    9K338 «Igla-S» SAM system (8 9M342 missiles)
    1x1 76 mm AK-176MA
    2x1 14,5 mm MTPU
    2x10 55 mm DP-65 grenade launchers (RG-55M, GRS-55 grenades)
    ?x2 45 mm DP-64 grenade launchers (SG-45, FG-45 grenades)

    Can carry container mounted SSM or SAM in a rear compartment.

    Source for this speculation?
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    Post  franco on Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:51 am

    kvs wrote:
    franco wrote:Armament:

    1 Ka-27PS helicopter
    9K338 «Igla-S» SAM system (8 9M342 missiles)
    1x1 76 mm AK-176MA
    2x1 14,5 mm MTPU
    2x10 55 mm DP-65 grenade launchers (RG-55M, GRS-55 grenades)
    ?x2 45 mm DP-64 grenade launchers (SG-45, FG-45 grenades)

    Can carry container mounted SSM or SAM in a rear compartment.

    Source for this speculation?

    http://russianships.info/eng/today/
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    Post  hoom on Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:54 am

    No Shtil or Redut? That's a massive downgrade from what as advertised.
    They only advertised Shtil-1 as an option on the Export version.
    Francos' list is pretty much the standard list of armament I've seen.

    Its been speculation on our part that they'd up-arm it with permanent SAM/UKSK due to the current political situation.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:46 am

    hoom wrote:
    No Shtil or Redut? That's a massive downgrade from what as advertised.
    They only advertised Shtil-1 as an option on the Export version.
    Francos' list is pretty much the standard list of armament I've seen.

    Its been speculation on our part that they'd up-arm it with permanent SAM/UKSK due to the current political situation.

    If that is the case then this ship better be cheap because time invested alone is not worth it.
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:49 am

    kvs wrote:Source for this speculation?

    It could be for only first of the class?

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    Post  marat on Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:46 pm

    No ak-630?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:10 pm

    marat wrote:No ak-630?

    They were never planned

    Absence of AA missiles is much bigger issue
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:03 pm

    This is what a jobs program looks like. Congrats Russia, you've made it to the club along with western navies (think German, RN, USN and so on) receiving vessels for glorified Coast Guard duty.

    It's basically not armed, but sure as hell looks mean lol1
    RN's River class is now officially jealous and the Germans feel less stupid with their F125s.

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    Post  SLB on Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:06 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:This is what a jobs program looks like. Congrats Russia, you've made it to the club along with western navies (think German, RN, USN and so on) receiving vessels for glorified Coast Guard duty.

    It's basically not armed, but sure as hell looks mean lol1
    RN's River class is now officially jealous and the Germans feel less stupid with their F125s.

    Uh? It's in the name: it´s an OPV, not a self-styled "frigate" like the F125 (and much smaller).

    Also, it is remarkable that in your list of under armed piece of crap ships you forgot the god old LCS... that's what I call good value for money Twisted Evil
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:12 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:This is what a jobs program looks like. Congrats Russia, you've made it to the club along with western navies (think German, RN, USN and so on) receiving vessels for glorified Coast Guard duty.

    It's basically not armed, but sure as hell looks mean lol1
    RN's River class is now officially jealous and the Germans feel less stupid with their F125s.

    Well not that bad. It will spend most, if not all service life patroaling to search for fishing boats. Russia, if I'm not wrong, has a big problem with illegal fishing in its waters.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:14 pm

    Biggest assholes of that are Japanese, north Korean and Chinese fishermen.

    Although, the ships used by FSB seemed fine enough. I guess the FSB will be using these then too.

    Although, these ships can be fitted with containers of Kalibr missiles, which gives them the ability to strike targets far away. Pretty impressive for an anti fisherman ship.

    I think that the options available for this ship weren't installed or purchased. They may find it difficult to understand their purpose. But then buyan-M would have been overkill.


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    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:18 pm

    SLB wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:This is what a jobs program looks like. Congrats Russia, you've made it to the club along with western navies (think German, RN, USN and so on) receiving vessels for glorified Coast Guard duty.

    It's basically not armed, but sure as hell looks mean lol1
    RN's River class is now officially jealous and the Germans feel less stupid with their F125s.

    Uh? It's in the name: it´s an OPV, not a self-styled "frigate" like the F125 (and much smaller).

    Also, it is remarkable that in your list of under armed piece of crap ships you forgot the god old LCS... that's what I call good value for money Twisted Evil

    Go ahead and add LCS, sure. russia

    Isos wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:This is what a jobs program looks like. Congrats Russia, you've made it to the club along with western navies (think German, RN, USN and so on) receiving vessels for glorified Coast Guard duty.

    It's basically not armed, but sure as hell looks mean lol1
    RN's River class is now officially jealous and the Germans feel less stupid with their F125s.

    Well not that bad. It will spend most, if not all service life patroaling to search for fishing boats. Russia, if I'm not wrong, has a big problem with illegal fishing in its waters.

    I thought that was FSB's job, why waste RuN's budget on stuff like that?

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