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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:14 am

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    miketheterrible wrote:If such a vessel is successful and capable, let us hope the mod decides to order more and ha e other shipyards doing work on it.  Enough of these shipyards making their own types.

    These are anti piracy/patrol vessels not dedicated warships. Only certain fleets need them, the Northern fleet doesn't require this class of ship. These are suitable for the BSF sure. The mainfleet's will get Karakutswhich is more proper for them.

    Buyan/Karakurt is exactly the role these ships will have in case of war with added bonus of having full sized AA system.

    In case of war anything that can be used will be used that however doesn't change what I said. Karakuts are being built to serve that purpose these ships are again Anit-piracy/patrol ships. Yes they can be used in time of war for war it's still a warship.

    Just Russia will not build 20 of these, if that was the case ZERO reasons to build Karakuts or another ship. so the idea Russia would mass produce every specialized ship it makes is silly. This ships serves a limited purpose within the navy so its not going to be produced in mass numbers Frankly I'd be surprised if you see more then ten of these.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  hoom on Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:19 am

    bonus of having full sized AA system

    Thats one of the reasons I'm keen to see one launched: The export version pamphlet offers Sthil-1 which would give these very solid capability but most sources indicate the ones being built will have only a single Ghibka turret & not even any AK-630.


    Edit: Uh I was failing to read the front part of the quoted sentence Embarassed
    I guess I'm over-eager to see one of these new classes other than 11356 using Sthil-1 since its an AA system with decent range & which definitely actually works.


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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:26 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:If such a vessel is successful and capable, let us hope the mod decides to order more and ha e other shipyards doing work on it.  Enough of these shipyards making their own types.

    These are anti piracy/patrol vessels not dedicated warships. Only certain fleets need them, the Northern fleet doesn't require this class of ship. These are suitable for the BSF sure. The mainfleet's will get Karakutswhich is more proper for them.

    Buyan/Karakurt is exactly the role these ships will have in case of war with added bonus of having full sized AA system.

    In case of war anything that can be used will be used that however doesn't change what I said. Karakuts are being built to serve that purpose these ships are again Anit-piracy/patrol ships. Yes they can be used in time of war for war it's still a warship.

    Just Russia will not build 20 of these, if that was the case ZERO reasons to build Karakuts or another ship. so the idea Russia would mass produce every specialized ship it makes is silly. This ships serves a limited purpose within the navy so its not going to be produced in mass numbers Frankly I'd be surprised if you see more then ten of these.

    I never said they will be replacing anything. They are anti-piracy vessels and that is the role they will be performing.

    But in case of war they will be going after same targets as Buyans and Karakurts (land targets in 90% cases, Syria style)
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:09 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:If such a vessel is successful and capable, let us hope the mod decides to order more and ha e other shipyards doing work on it.  Enough of these shipyards making their own types.

    These are anti piracy/patrol vessels not dedicated warships. Only certain fleets need them, the Northern fleet doesn't require this class of ship. These are suitable for the BSF sure. The mainfleet's will get Karakuts which is more proper for them.

    I mistaken the ship of course. Was thinking of another one.

    These ships have the option (apparently) of Shtil-1. If that is the case, then this is one hell of a border patrol ship.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:37 am

    Anti piracy vessels are urgently needed because having a custom designed ship that can operate on its own in open waters and also deal with pirates and other issues like that would free up the vessels they have been using that include destroyers like the Sovremmeny class vessels and Udaloy class that could be better used for other duties.

    Sending a boat to operate off the coast of Africa looking for pirates and protecting Russian shipping it really needs to be able to defend itself... so decent armament as well as decent storage for endurance is a must.


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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:09 pm

    Patrol ship "Victor Veliky" lay the plant in Tatarstan


    KAZAN, November 23. /Offset. Damir Khairulin TASS/. Patrol ship of project 22160 "Victor the Great" lay on the shipyard. Gorky Zelenodolsk (Tatarstan) on November 25. This was reported by TASS first Deputy General Director of the plant Alexander Karpov.
    "On November 25, will be laid patrol ship "Victor the Great," is the 165th order. It is named after hero of the Soviet Union", - said Karpov. According to the interlocutor Agency, the head ship of project 22160 "Vasily Bykov", founded in February 2014, will be transferred to the customer in 2017.
    Patrol ships of project 22160 - ships modular, far sea zone. Designed by North design office for ship of the Navy of Russia.
    Court equipped with radio-technical and hydroacoustic armament and electronic countermeasures. Main propulsion of the ship is represented by installation type CODAG with capacity up to 25,000 kW. To increase search capacities and search and rescue operations, the ship provided basing 12-tonne helicopter.
    Six patrol ships of project 22160 have to join the Russian Navy until 2020.

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3806478





    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:If such a vessel is successful and capable, let us hope the mod decides to order more and ha e other shipyards doing work on it.  Enough of these shipyards making their own types.

    These are anti piracy/patrol vessels not dedicated warships. Only certain fleets need them, the Northern fleet doesn't require this class of ship. These are suitable for the BSF sure. The mainfleet's will get Karakutswhich is more proper for them.

    Buyan/Karakurt is exactly the role these ships will have in case of war with added bonus of having full sized AA system.

    In case of war anything that can be used will be used that however doesn't change what I said. Karakuts are being built to serve that purpose these ships are again Anit-piracy/patrol ships. Yes they can be used in time of war for war it's still a warship.

    Just Russia will not build 20 of these, if that was the case ZERO reasons to build Karakuts or another ship. so the idea Russia would mass produce every specialized ship it makes is silly. This ships serves a limited purpose within the navy so its not going to be produced in mass numbers Frankly I'd be surprised if you see more then ten of these.

    I never said they will be replacing anything. They are anti-piracy vessels and that is the role they will be performing.

    But in case of war they will be going after same targets as Buyans and Karakurts (land targets in 90% cases, Syria style)

    exactly so why 2 hulls for 2 roles no t1 hull for 2 roles? I guess the whole discussion here is why to build 2 ships to two roles instead of 1 hull with 2 roles?  that´s why IMHO 20 22160 with corvette or patrol ship roles is better solution but this is just me.
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    Post  hoom on Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:46 am

    And its been laid down http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2283636.html


    Couple of shots of in-build ones but not looking very complete.
    Hoping for some better update pics on the first one which is supposed to be launching soon.
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    Post  hoom on Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:26 am

    So I've thought the render used at the laying down was a reliable depiction of what's being built except you can see that the render here is this version with 1 window on the central section of the bridge & flat panel radars on the fat mast

    But the in-build pics show 3 windows there

    Which fits this model

    And this render

    Both without flat panel radars, a less plump mast & with an MR-123 firecontrol radar (for the gun?).

    I'm inclined to suspect the use of the 1st render is just a boo-boo since it's very similar at a glance to the 2nd one, though might have thought they'd correct it by the 5th ship Suspect

    Neither version (nor any of the models or drawings I've seen) has a Gibka launcher that I've been able to identify dunno
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  hoom on Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:58 am

    Flotprom reports 76mm gun mount has finished tests & first one has gone to Zelenodolsk to go on first 22160

    http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B056/
    Google translate wrote:New gun mount equip patrol ships project 22160 and 23550 (Ice Class), small missile ships of the project 22800 "Karakurt" and missile boats 12418. Project
    The first sample has been sent to the Zelenodolsk Plant named after AM Gorky for the lead ship of the project 22160 "Vasily Bykov."


    According to ppl over at Balancer forum the last stated date for launch was supposed to be March 2017 but no sign of any confirmation of that yet. (possibly they were supposed to have MTU diesels so that may be cause for delays)

    Edit: Apparently they are Kolumna diesels.
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    Post  hoom on Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:44 am

    At Balancer forum someone pointed to this article from Nov http://www.zelenodolsk.ru/article/21236 (seems to be local Zelenodolsk city paper)
    Has some interesting info.

    Armament mentioned doesn't include Gibkha. (so portable Igla only?)
    Talks about possibility of modular AA specifically Sthil (trying to figure out how that could possibly work  Suspect possibly a misinterpretation of the export brocure?)

    Engines were indeed going to be MAN but changed to Kolumnar requiring engineroom rework, possibly some other import substitution issues.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:52 pm

    hoom wrote:At Balancer forum someone pointed to this article from Nov http://www.zelenodolsk.ru/article/21236 (seems to be local Zelenodolsk city paper)
    Has some interesting info.

    Armament mentioned doesn't include Gibkha. (so portable Igla only?)
    Talks about possibility of modular AA specifically Sthil (trying to figure out how that could possibly work  Suspect possibly a misinterpretation of the export brocure?)

    Engines were indeed going to be MAN but changed to Kolumnar requiring engineroom rework, possibly some other import substitution issues.

    No surprises there.

    This engine issue may be hassle now but in the long run it's just the right kick in the ass Russian naval industry needed.

    I can understand importing stuff like searchlights and speedboats, but engines? C'mon, they are supposed to be world's 2nd largest arms manufacturer. They should start acting like one.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:13 am

    Pictures of the Vasily Bykov (1st unit) inside the shipyard.







    The ship's mast:


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    Post  ult on Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:34 pm

    Bigger picture.
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    Post  hoom on Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:53 am

    Hopefully they'll finally launch it soon?!

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    Post  ult on Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:46 am

    hoom wrote:Hopefully they'll finally launch it soon?!

    Looks like they will. The gun is mounted and the ship is painted.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun May 21, 2017 4:59 am

    First two ships of the pr. 22160 class will be delivered in 2018.
    Vasily Bykov at the beginning of the year, Dimitri Rogachov at the end of the year.
    First 3 ships will be equipped for escort duties for the Black Sea Fleet.
    Second trio of ships will carry the KALIBR cruise missiles.

    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=451607

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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  miroslav on Sun May 21, 2017 5:25 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:First two ships of the pr. 22160 class will be delivered in 2018.
    Vasily Bykov at the beginning of the year, Dimitri Rogachov at the end of the year.
    First 3 ships will be equipped for escort duties for the Black Sea Fleet.
    Second trio of ships will carry the KALIBR cruise missiles.

    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=451607

    I relay don't get the logic behind this, what king of escort duties will this ship perform in it's basic configuration. Escorting in the military seance means protection above all things, protection means weapons to protect with, what weapons does this ship have.

    It's not just the ships that it will be protection but the ship it self, it's 94m long with advanced sensors it's a good target, ANYTHING that is that big need's good weapons. I understand that it's a modular design, but am also a realist, when you count in the politics and the economy ships that are commissioned with insufficient stuff will stay like that for a log time or will never be upgraded (example: Neustrashimy frigate), if you know you need something you make sure it's there from the beginning, not everything can be modular when a ship i 94 m long and is built by a country that wants global influence.

    It doesn't take much, a 2x4 set of X-35 Uran launchers and there you go, that's only if they intend to put the Shtil-1 system, if not, that then a Palash module or the naval Pantsir, something that's not expensive but effective, they can certainly afford a set of Ak-630 at the sides of the Helicopter hangar to additionally protect the sides and especially rear and stop a low level attack when they are near land.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 22, 2017 4:27 am

    They don't mean escort like an AEGIS Class cruiser escorts a US carrier... they mean an anti smuggling/fisheries protection/anti piracy ship.; Used to monitor areas, and maintain the peace.

    A police type vessel.


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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  hoom on Mon May 22, 2017 7:06 am

    It doesn't take much, a 2x4 set of X-35 Uran launchers and there you go, that's only if they intend to put the Shtil-1 system, if not, that then a Palash module or the naval Pantsir, something that's not expensive but effective, they can certainly afford a set of Ak-630 at the sides of the Helicopter hangar to additionally protect the sides and especially rear and stop a low level attack when they are near land.
    Containerised Uran sure, its definitely designed for that.
    Maybe containerised Tor (but would be at expense of at least one surface to surface container).

    Definitely could/should put Ak-630s on hangar sides unless there is something else planned for there.
    Maybe saving that kind of thing for a mid-life upgrade?
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon May 22, 2017 4:26 pm

    hoom wrote:
    It doesn't take much, a 2x4 set of X-35 Uran launchers and there you go, that's only if they intend to put the Shtil-1 system, if not, that then a Palash module or the naval Pantsir, something that's not expensive but effective, they can certainly afford a set of Ak-630 at the sides of the Helicopter hangar to additionally protect the sides and especially rear and stop a low level attack when they are near land.
    Containerised Uran sure, its definitely designed for that.
    Maybe containerised Tor (but would be at expense of at least one surface to surface container).

    Definitely could/should put Ak-630s on hangar sides unless there is something else planned for there.
    Maybe saving that kind of thing for a mid-life upgrade?

    Yea, even if it's a simple patrol vessel, it could still use 2 AK-630s on the sides, clearly has the space.
    And is TheArmenian right, is the next set of these really gonna get UKSKs??
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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon May 22, 2017 5:33 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    hoom wrote:
    It doesn't take much, a 2x4 set of X-35 Uran launchers and there you go, that's only if they intend to put the Shtil-1 system, if not, that then a Palash module or the naval Pantsir, something that's not expensive but effective, they can certainly afford a set of Ak-630 at the sides of the Helicopter hangar to additionally protect the sides and especially rear and stop a low level attack when they are near land.
    Containerised Uran sure, its definitely designed for that.
    Maybe containerised Tor (but would be at expense of at least one surface to surface container).

    Definitely could/should put Ak-630s on hangar sides unless there is something else planned for there.
    Maybe saving that kind of thing for a mid-life upgrade?

    Yea, even if it's a simple patrol vessel, it could still use 2 AK-630s on the sides, clearly has the space.
    And is TheArmenian right, is the next set of these really gonna get UKSKs??

    Hey, why I are you doubting me?

    Go back to my post and read the source of the information that I linked to.
    I am just the messenger who posted what the General director of the Zelenodolsk shipyard said in an interview with Interfax.

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon May 22, 2017 5:58 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    hoom wrote:
    It doesn't take much, a 2x4 set of X-35 Uran launchers and there you go, that's only if they intend to put the Shtil-1 system, if not, that then a Palash module or the naval Pantsir, something that's not expensive but effective, they can certainly afford a set of Ak-630 at the sides of the Helicopter hangar to additionally protect the sides and especially rear and stop a low level attack when they are near land.
    Containerised Uran sure, its definitely designed for that.
    Maybe containerised Tor (but would be at expense of at least one surface to surface container).

    Definitely could/should put Ak-630s on hangar sides unless there is something else planned for there.
    Maybe saving that kind of thing for a mid-life upgrade?

    Yea, even if it's a simple patrol vessel, it could still use 2 AK-630s on the sides, clearly has the space.
    And is TheArmenian right, is the next set of these really gonna get UKSKs??

    Hey, why I are you doubting me?

    Go back to my post and read the source of the information that I linked to.
    I am just the messenger who posted what the General director of the Zelenodolsk shipyard said in an interview with Interfax.

    You damned pessimistic, glass half-full.......What do you need to believe? A message from God?

    Missed the link actually, and confirmation from more sources would be nice as well, since there isn't even a model or any rendering of such a model.
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    Re: Prοject 22160 - Offshore Patrol Vessel

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 22, 2017 9:01 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:.............

    Yea, even if it's a simple patrol vessel, it could still use 2 AK-630s on the sides, clearly has the space.
    And is TheArmenian right, is the next set of these really gonna get UKSKs??

    Next set will get containerized Kalibr

    UKSK would mean redesigning the whole thing
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    Post  hoom on Mon May 22, 2017 10:19 pm

    Next set will get containerized Kalibr
    UKSK would mean redesigning the whole thing
    Its not impossible that they'll put UKSK, there is clearly room on the foredeck for a VLS: see export version with Shtil-1 option (different config but still)


    Chances are its probably the containerised version though.
    On the other hand I don't see why that would have to wait till the next group since the containerised weapons is supposed to be part of the basic design confused
    Perhaps first group won't have the container bays?
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon May 22, 2017 10:45 pm

    hoom wrote:Its not impossible that they'll put UKSK, there is clearly room on the foredeck for a VLS: see export version with Shtil-1 option (different config but still)


    Chances are its probably the containerised version though.
    On the other hand I don't see why that would have to wait till the next group since the containerised weapons is supposed to be part of the basic design confused
    Perhaps first group won't have the container bays?

    Dang, this thing looks like plug&play, the reload time for this must be in the minutes (so long as there's a second set around).

    And 2x8 UKSKs, Gorshkov?? Shocked

    Update: I just notice he mentioned Shtil-1, my bad. pwnd

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