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    Aramonik

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    Greetings from California

    Post  Aramonik on Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:35 am

    A most impressive Forum.

    A new Event Horizon.

    Cheers to all.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:36 am

    Welcome Here Mate Very Happy

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    Post  Aramonik on Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:04 am

    Thats a trick handle Dude.

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    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:34 pm

    Haha! Welcome to the forum! welcome


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    Post  Jelena on Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:55 pm

    Aramonik wrote:A most impressive Forum.

    A new Event Horizon.

    Cheers to all.


    Welcome to RMF, Aramonik
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    Post  Kysusha on Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:52 am

    Tovarish, eta ya!
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    Post  Aramonik on Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:36 pm

    Comrade Marshal Sergeivich! russia

    For you Tovarich, and All

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    Post  IronsightSniper on Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:49 pm

    :O Another Californian!

    I live in the Valley, but it's nice to know there's a fellow Russian fan boy in the state russia
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    Post  Aramonik on Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:08 pm

    Many of us here.



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    Post  Kysusha on Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:34 pm

    [quote="Aramonik"]Comrade Marshal Sergeivich! russia

    For you Tovarich, and All

    quote]

    Nice one Tovatish - where is Stalin the kindest?!

    I notice in one of the posters a person calling a broom-bandle Mauser - should have been a Nagant or a Tokorev!
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    Post  Aramonik on Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:33 am

    Sacrilege!!!!! Its Sacrilege I say!!!! angry
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:59 am

    Stalin was Georgian!

    And he was no friend of Russia.

    Welcome Aramonik. welcome
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    Post  Aramonik on Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:54 am

    Thank You Garry B

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    Post  Kysusha on Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:05 am

    GarryB wrote:Stalin was Georgian!

    And he was no friend of Russia.

    Welcome Aramonik. welcome

    Whatever you think of Stalin - HE won the war. Many, many died with Stalin's name on their lips - and they were NOT cursing him!
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    Post  Aramonik on Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:34 am

    GarryB wrote:Stalin was Georgian!
    And he was no friend of Russia.
    Welcome Aramonik. welcome

    nyet,nyet,nyet, Comrade GarryB Shocked

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:58 am

    I rather doubt many actually fought for Stalin, just like no Kiwi SAS soldiers killed in Afghanistan today would have the name John Key on their lips as they died.

    Most owed their position to Stalin and as long as you kept your nose clean and you head down you were OK but he was not really someone to look up to.

    I agree his militarisation of the Soviet Union certainly prevented a lot of the stupid nonsense that occured in Russia in WWI where soldiers went to the front with no rifle.

    During WWII at the start there were shortages of armour piercing ammo for tanks and at certain stages of the conflict there were problems but nothing like what you see in western movies like Enemy at the gates.

    In fact there was only one unit known to have been rushed into combat in Stalingrad that was not fully equipped and they went in with one in ten not armed with a rifle.
    The reality was when they got to the other bank there was a stack of weapons german and soviet... the shortages were food, ammo, and men. I have read of combat in Stalingrad where every window had Soviet and German weapons piled up and the men simply moved without weapons from window to window to deal with the threat.

    Without Stalin most of the peasants wouldn't know what an engine was let alone a tractor, truck or tank.
    Of course without Stalin the Soviet Army might have been less prepared to fight, but also more willing to use their initiative.

    It is like saying Adolph Hitler is not so bad because he got the German economy going and dragged the Germans out of an economic depression, and he invented the motorway and the VW beetle.

    Of course Hitler was responsible for the deaths of 70 million people while Stalin was responsible for the deaths of less than 2 million. I would rate Pol Pot as worse than Stalin. The thing was that Hitler was trying to kill everyone who was not Germanic, while Stalin seemed to be more random and most of the people caught up in his purges (nice word for murders) suddenly reappeared in 1942-43 when they released a lot of former military people from prison and sent them to fight for a regime that had put them in prison in 38-39. The west likes to count them as dead even though they were sent to prison.


    This is a welcome thread so I will shut up now.

    With Stalin the Soviet Union survived WWII, with someone else it might have been worse or better. Would Beria have been a better leader? There were some very hard men there and the big soft cream puff wasn't going to keep the job very long.
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    Post  Kysusha on Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:44 am

    GaryB, you miss the main point – Stalin galvanised a nation! Russia (The Soviet Union) with it’s diverse cultures and ethnic groups, power struggles and godfathers and vast expanses would simply have crumbled against the German onslaught had it not been for Stalin. You need to understand – Stalin was worshiped. Sure there were those who disliked him (as with any leader), but more liked him; no, actually loved him. Yes, people ACTUALLY fought for Stalin!

    Drastic times require drastic action; The USSR was fighting for it’s very existence against the Wehrmacht and there was no second place. The country needed a strong leader, a man capable of making the unpalatable decisions and to be as ruthless as necessary in order to ensure victory. They got that in Stalin.

    Trying to compare atrocities committed by one leader against another ad infiniteum, is a senseless argument; rather like people on this forum trying to argue various weapons specifications against others as some indication as to predictability of an out-come [the sort of nonsense of War Games]. The reality is, all leaders commit atrocities – even now. Some are better had hiding them than others, but they all do it. Stalin did what he had to do in order to first, stay in power and secondly to win the war.

    Arm-chair generals, pontificating post event, fail to understand the reality of the situation of the time and the morality of the time.

    Stalin was a great leader – Stalin won the war.
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    Post  Aramonik on Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:57 am

    Frankly GarryB, Hitler did not cause the death of 70 million.
    It is standard here in the States to lay the entire
    war at Hitlers feet. The Western Powers were blameless Vestal Virgins
    with only the very best of intentions. Funny how the US allied itself
    with such an evil man as Stalin. Rather opportunistic. And Churchill
    was a drunken reprobate clown in the equation. Dresden was a pure War Crime.
    And Iraq is a War Crime in the making. An Invasion based on pure lies.
    Against a defenseless country. And still occupied. Name one country
    Stalin invaded. Outside of the obvious advances into Germany and WW2.

    As you say it is a Welcome thread. So we can discuss these
    things in a different thread, and perhaps all will join in?

    Without Russian efforts then, we would all be speaking German now. So thankX Uncle Joe.





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