Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Share
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 23/10/13, 12:12 am



    Smolensk @ Zvedochka, photo is current!
    avatar
    Viktor

    Posts : 5669
    Points : 6312
    Join date : 2009-08-26
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on 05/12/13, 09:29 pm

    12 years of waiting, "Irkutsk"

    - K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
    - 360 million $ (price)
    - will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)

    CaptainPakistan

    Posts : 31
    Points : 9
    Join date : 2013-12-03

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  CaptainPakistan on 05/12/13, 10:42 pm

    How quiet is the Oscar compared to the Akula and the LA?
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10508
    Points : 10985
    Join date : 2011-12-23
    Location : Greece

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on 06/12/13, 12:14 am

    Viktor wrote:12 years of waiting, "Irkutsk"

    - K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
    - 360 million $ (price)
    - will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)
    which will be the new missile system?
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 06/12/13, 12:42 am

    George1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:12 years of waiting, "Irkutsk"

    - K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
    - 360 million $ (price)
    - will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)
    which will be the new missile system?
    Onix! In greater numbers than Granit...I am curious when the domestic range numbers come out, we know it is greater than 300km, but by how much...
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 06/12/13, 12:57 am

    Come to think of it, this might either make Zvezda or they will completely miss project dates.

    Zvezdochka has been the one doing repairs on Anteiis, and I expected them to get the order for 2nd round of modernization.
    Zvezda will very much benefit from the cash injection, but they have had all sorts of issues with much simpler state orders.
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10508
    Points : 10985
    Join date : 2011-12-23
    Location : Greece

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on 06/12/13, 03:45 am

    TR1 wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:12 years of waiting, "Irkutsk"

    - K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
    - 360 million $ (price)
    - will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)
    which will be the new missile system?
    Onix! In greater numbers than Granit...I am curious when the domestic range numbers come out, we know it is greater than 300km, but by how much...
    Αnd this will be applied in all Oscars?
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16517
    Points : 17125
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  GarryB on 06/12/13, 12:07 pm

    Onyx in its domestic form is supposed to have a similar range to the missile it is replacing... ie Granit.

    Granit has a range of 500km and I have seen estimates of onyx's range of between 500km and 700km depending on the flight profile and speed... remember the Onyx uses a ramjet, while Granit uses a turbojet. This means that both missiles can fly high but not at top speed for the first part of the flight to extend range and then accelerate on full throttle as they approach the target (and their fuel load is lighter).


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 06/12/13, 01:47 pm

    George1 wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:12 years of waiting, "Irkutsk"

    - K-132 Irkutsk is going for modernization
    - 360 million $ (price)
    - will be replaced (missile system, radio and sonar weaponary, navigation equipment, life support systems)
    which will be the new missile system?
    Onix! In greater numbers than Granit...I am curious when the domestic range numbers come out, we know it is greater than 300km, but by how much...
    Αnd this will be applied in all Oscars?
    Supposedly, but we will see....
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 10/12/13, 04:08 pm

    avatar
    Viktor

    Posts : 5669
    Points : 6312
    Join date : 2009-08-26
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on 10/12/13, 08:04 pm

    Whats is the name of this Oscar class - where is this?
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 10/12/13, 08:59 pm

    Pacific Fleet - not sure what boat. Could be the Kransoyarsk, which is at pier waiting utilization.
    avatar
    Viktor

    Posts : 5669
    Points : 6312
    Join date : 2009-08-26
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on 11/12/13, 01:28 am

    All in all, Russia will end up with 8 Oscar class and few more of the Oscar class are unfinished and might add to numbers even further. 

    Submarine "Smolensk" passes mooring trials at the "star"
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 11/12/13, 01:40 am

    Belgorod will be completed, but not as a combat sub. We can forget about the other unfinished hulks, they are not Belgorod shape anyways.

    I am curious how many boats the MOD ends up modernizing with new armament in the end. I suspect it won't be the entire fleet, but at least 5 boats.
    With dual purpose 885s entering service (eventually) and modernized 971s getting Kalibr there won't be as much pressure to save the entire dedicated SSGN fleet.

    At the end of the day the limiting factor will be finances as always, and they will have to do some juggling between what to modernize, more 971s or 949s. Entire fleets of both being modernized is pretty much impossible IMO.
    avatar
    Viktor

    Posts : 5669
    Points : 6312
    Join date : 2009-08-26
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on 11/12/13, 07:54 pm

    TR1 wrote:Belgorod will be completed, but not as a combat sub. We can forget about the other unfinished hulks, they are not Belgorod shape anyways. 

    I know but it would be interesting if Russia could get a similar contract with other two unfinished Oscar class like it had with India and Akula sub as they are powerful subs or perhaps 

    they may decide to finish the boats in case situation with Yassen class continues to drag on. 

    TR1 wrote:I am curious how many boats the MOD ends up modernizing with new armament in the end. I suspect it won't be the entire fleet, but at least 5 boats. 
    With dual purpose 885s entering service (eventually) and modernized 971s getting Kalibr there won't be as much pressure to save the entire dedicated SSGN fleet. 

    Im counting on 8 of them  Very Happy  by 2020 and latter who knows. 

    TR1 wrote:At the end of the day the limiting factor will be finances as always, and they will have to do some juggling between what to modernize, more 971s or 949s. Entire fleets of both being modernized is pretty much impossible IMO.

    700 bin $ is a lot of money. Economy will play its part but still Russian military has set very ambitious goals ahead of them. 


    Anyway: Another powerful unit will soon join in the Russian Navy

    Rogozin: APL "Tomsk" returns to the fleet in April 2014
    avatar
    zg18

    Posts : 881
    Points : 957
    Join date : 2013-09-26
    Location : Zagreb , Croatia

    K-410 "Smolensk" began factory trials

    Post  zg18 on 24/12/13, 07:02 pm

    K-410 "Smolensk" began factory trials





    avatar
    Viktor

    Posts : 5669
    Points : 6312
    Join date : 2009-08-26
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on 24/12/13, 11:45 pm

    Apparently this was repair and modernization (new missiles) this boat will get in 3.5 years.  cheers 


    Works on submarines "Smolensk"  (now waiting for Tomsk)



    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 25/12/13, 02:21 am

    Tomsk is in the Pacific, at Zvezda...which of course opens up questions on whether it will be done in time or miss it like always.

    Zvezodochka will be working on the Orel after the Smolensk (Orel has already arrived @ the yard). This will be the yard's third 949A, Voronezh being the 1st; so I think their deadlines are pretty much solid at this point.
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 30/12/13, 07:56 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxxreCYgrA

    Nice high res vid by Zvezdochka.

    The Smolensk is back baby!
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10508
    Points : 10985
    Join date : 2011-12-23
    Location : Greece

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on 30/12/13, 08:23 pm

    TR1 wrote:Tomsk is in the Pacific, at Zvezda...which of course opens up questions on whether it will be done in time or miss it like always.

    Zvezodochka will be working on the Orel after the Smolensk (Orel has already arrived @ the yard). This will be the yard's third 949A, Voronezh being the 1st; so I think their deadlines are pretty much solid at this point.

    what about Irkutsk and Chelyabinsk??
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 30/12/13, 08:39 pm

    Wrong fleet Wink .
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5680
    Points : 5708
    Join date : 2011-12-07

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on 09/06/14, 04:38 am

    http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/300790.html

    Some rare photos of a 949A practicing rescue operations.
    avatar
    Viktor

    Posts : 5669
    Points : 6312
    Join date : 2009-08-26
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on 10/06/14, 12:23 pm

    TR1 wrote:http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/300790.html

    Some rare photos of a 949A practicing rescue operations.

    Look at the skin. I dont remember seeing such perfectly smooth skin on Russian subs  thumbsup 
    avatar
    Cyberspec

    Posts : 1968
    Points : 2133
    Join date : 2011-08-08
    Location : Terra Australis

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Cyberspec on 10/06/14, 03:57 pm

    It's the Smolensk, fresh from overhaul
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16517
    Points : 17125
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  GarryB on 11/06/14, 02:00 pm

    Perfectly smooth skin is not so important for hydrodynamics (moving through water).

    In fact what the skin is made of is rather more important to a sub and in most cases a Russian or Soviet sub has a thick rubberised material on its surface designed to absorb noise to reduce its ability to reflect a sonar ping and to reduce radiated noise from inside the vessel.


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

    Sponsored content

    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is 20/10/17, 12:09 pm