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    Big_Gazza

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    Re: Soviet Anti-ship missiles

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:57 pm

    nastle77 wrote:
    In the late cold war era the SSN-3 shaddocks Did they go through any kind of upgrades to keep them more modern and resistant to jamming than their 1970s versions?

    They they also have the problem of poor resolution and not able to pick up smaller ships like corvettes /MGB ?

    The P-500 Bazalt (SS-N-12 Sandbox) was the modernised follow-on to the P-5 Shaddock.  The USSR didn't bother to modernise the old shaddock carriers like the Kynda or Kresta I classes, and only fitted the new missiles to new combatants like the Kiev and Slava cruisers.  P-500 was itself modernised as the Vulcan P-1000 and fitted to 3x Echo II boats and some of the Slavas.

    Not sure about P-5/SS-N-3 as its an old design, but P-500 & 1000 had very powerful active radars and would have had no problem picking up a corvette-sized vessel, but given that they were programmed to attack in swarms and to prioritise the large fleet targets, its unlikely they would select a puny corvette over other juicier victims Twisted Evil

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    Re: Soviet Anti-ship missiles

    Post  nastle77 on Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:07 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    nastle77 wrote:
    In the late cold war era the SSN-3 shaddocks Did they go through any kind of upgrades to keep them more modern and resistant to jamming than their 1970s versions?

    They they also have the problem of poor resolution and not able to pick up smaller ships like corvettes /MGB ?

    The P-500 Bazalt (SS-N-12 Sandbox) was the modernised follow-on to the P-5 Shaddock.  The USSR didn't bother to modernise the old shaddock carriers like the Kynda or Kresta I classes, and only fitted the new missiles to new combatants like the Kiev and Slava cruisers.  P-500 was itself modernised as the Vulcan P-1000 and fitted to 3x Echo II boats and some of the Slavas.

    Not sure about P-5/SS-N-3 as its an old design, but P-500 & 1000 had very powerful active radars and would have had no problem picking up a corvette-sized vessel, but given that they were programmed to attack in swarms and to prioritise the large fleet targets, its unlikely they would select a puny corvette over other juicier victims Twisted Evil

    The Kynda and Kresta class can they ripple fire their missiles against a single target ? given the importance of the "first strike salvo" in the soviet naval doctrine and esp since the SSN-3 was likely equipped with tactical nukes

    I think the SSN-12 can be ripple fired and one missile can control the flight of the others in the salvo like the SSN-19 shipwreck, is that accurate for all P-500 bazalt carriers including Echo II class submarines ?
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    Re: Soviet Anti-ship missiles

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:17 am

    Live missiles don't last forever, so after being made and spending a set period of time in operational service they will end their operational lives and need to be replaced. This means even old missiles are kept in production to keep stocks current while expired missiles are fired off in tests including tests to ensure they can still perform their mission and also as targets for air defence systems too.

    The new build models will generally use improved components and systems... often incorporating modules and components from replacement systems where possible to reduce production costs.

    AFAIK the Soviet Antiship missiles are all designed for mass attack to overwhelm the defences of very strongly defended targets.

    The huge step forward with Kalibr and Klub is the unified launcher allowing all Russian vessels to be adapted to carry the same large missiles.

    It means more missiles can be carried and more importantly the variety of different types can be reduced. The cost of making so many different anti ship missiles that are not compatible in design or launcher makes things more expensive and harder.

    With Granit a Kirov class ship needs stocks of the missile in the ports it will operate from, while a Sovremmeny class operating from the same port needs stocks of Moskit. With an upgrade with UKSK launchers both vessels could carry Klub and Kalibr and later be upgraded to Zircon.


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    Soviet Anti-ship missiles

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:32 am

    GarryB wrote: It means more missiles can be carried and more importantly the variety of different types can be reduced. The cost of making so many different anti ship missiles that are not compatible in design or launcher makes things more expensive and harder.

    With Granit a Kirov class ship needs stocks of the missile in the ports it will operate from, while a Sovremmeny class operating from the same port needs stocks of Moskit. With an upgrade with UKSK launchers both vessels could carry Klub and Kalibr and later be upgraded to Zircon.


    Interesting is if RN plans to re-equip also remaining Project 1164 Atlant class. From size of launch cells it could use up 48 Calibrs...

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