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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:36 pm

    Recent pics (2013) from the Pacific! I must say, they leave a positive vibe:

    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9067/166203072.38/0_cfb73_b3381160_XXXL.jpg


    Batons/Loafs....gruesome firepower considering their age.

    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9515/166203072.38/0_cfb6f_7e8f0f25_XXXL.jpg


    Nearby a Bars.....looks in good shape, and the shore facilities look taken care of as well.



    Birds crapped all over the sonar.

    Anyways I am too lazy to post em all, check out the album yourself!

    http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/pressatof/album/341645/?&p=22


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:12 pm

    Its for Artic but still a supply ship 

    "Severnaya Verf" laid serial arctic supply vessel for the Navy


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  zg18 on Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:59 pm

    "Stoiky" ready for state tests



    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=11880414@egNews

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:59 pm

    http://forums.airbase.ru/2013/12/t65778,10--eskadrennye-minonostsy-proekta-956-idealnyj-ubijtsa-aug-2.6889.html#p3301272

    A VERY interesting post by an experienced man on the 956s propulsion issues.
    I am busy right now, but I will translate the interesting points later. Till then, google do your thing.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:28 am

    Will the 6 1135.6 and Gorshkov class Frigate will be armed with Brahmos ? Any concrete news ?

    I believe big capital ships will be armed with Oniks but the frigate will be armed with Brahmos.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:23 pm

    UKSK fires both Kalibr and Onix, so it is up to whatever mix they decide to employ.

    636.6 only fires Kalibr AFAIK....


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:39 pm

    I was asking specifically asking about Brahmos

    1135.6 and Gorshkov class frigate carry Brahmos or Oniks ?


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:47 pm

    TBH I don't see them carrying Brahmos at all when they have fully domestic Onix.
    I certainly have not heard anything about Brahmos being tested or integrated for anything in the RuNavy, though technically it would be an easy adaptation.
    Gorshkov and Grigorovich both use UKSK, and the module is adapted for both Onix and Brahmos among others.
    Talwar has been using UKSK for Brahmos for years, its no issue.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  zg18 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:02 pm

    K-410 "Smolensk" began factory trials






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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:33 pm

    President Putin stated yesterday that 8 Borei and 8 Yasen will be built , so its no more 7 Yasen but 8 Smile

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:05 pm

    Austin wrote:President Putin stated yesterday that 8 Borei and 8 Yasen will be built , so its no more 7 Yasen but 8 Smile

    russia doesnt need more SSNs? USA has about 60 in service

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:26 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Austin wrote:President Putin stated yesterday that 8 Borei and 8 Yasen will be built , so its no more 7 Yasen but 8 Smile

    russia doesnt need more SSNs? USA has about 60 in service

    US Navy has a little over 50 active SSNs- but the number is going to go down. The Los Angeles boats are not being replaced 1-1 with Virginias, the final number will probably stabilize at around 35.

    Given the respective budgets, 8 Yasens is a fine number, especially considering they will serve alongside modernized 971s and 945s.
    Plus, RuNavy operates non-nuclear boats, US navy does not.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:38 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Austin wrote:President Putin stated yesterday that 8 Borei and 8 Yasen will be built , so its no more 7 Yasen but 8 Smile

    russia doesnt need more SSNs? USA has about 60 in service

    At the moment submarines numbers between US and Russia are not that different..
    Russia have at the moment more than ~60 attack/ballistic submarines.. US have 71.

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    http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Russia
    http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=United-States-of-America

    Most Russia subs are electric-diesel ,but they still can sink an Aircraft carrier or warship.. or another Submarine.
    Specially when their upgraded Kilos and next gen Yasen use same missiles.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:25 pm

    Austin wrote:Will the 6 1135.6 and Gorshkov class Frigate will be armed with Brahmos ? Any concrete news ?

    I believe big capital ships will be armed with Oniks but the frigate will be armed with Brahmos.

    I don't think Russia will ever use brahmos  as their main missile. They could use it here and there in special times but not for long periods if they can avoid it..  Reasons for not using Brahmos..

    1)Way more expensive. Brahmos is two missiles in one.. land attack and anti-ship. Cost much more ,for being more
    complex. according to wiki  2.73 $US millions each.  a US tomahawk cost $500,000. each.. Calibrs land attack should be even cheaper.

    2)Range is limited to 300km unless they modify it with boosters that will require extra work and time.
    Russia Calibers land attack missiles for example range is rated from 900km to 2600km (depending on the source)

    3)Is always safer to use a missile that no one have. US and Israel and France have spies all over India
    (just like in RUssia) but the security of Brahmos design is something they have no control since is done in India.

    They can be used in combat jets ,so thats something where i can see Russia using them more in special times ,where suddenly need to attack a warship or land and they don't have an specific missile for it. This is actually the same for warships.. they could reserve one launcher or two with a brahmos  for special times.. which seems the best way for Russia to use them. For special times.



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    Submarines

    Post  calripson on Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:36 pm

    In my opinion by far the most useful ship in the Russian navy is the Yassen class. In the history of naval warfare there is very little value in a "second best" surface fleet. The US navy has by far the greatest number of surface warfare combatants and is really the only navy with overwhelming conventional global capabilities. The one area that mitigates that advantage is submarine warfare and that has been true over a century. Kilo and successor classes provide a nice littoral counterforce problem for the US, but in a global respect only nuclear attack subs suffice. That is one reason the US puts such emphasis on its submarine anti-submarine capabilities. In a real world scenario (not showing the flag or for national pride) surface vessels like Slava Class ships have only a first strike value. They would be on the bottom of the ocean pretty quick in any naval conflict with the US via subs or aircraft. Of course, no one here knows just how good Russian subs are when compared to their NATO counterparts.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  navyfield on Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:42 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    Austin wrote:President Putin stated yesterday that 8 Borei and 8 Yasen will be built , so its no more 7 Yasen but 8 Smile

    russia doesnt need more SSNs? USA has about 60 in service

    At the moment submarines numbers between US and Russia are not that different..
    Russia have at the moment more than ~60 attack/ballistic submarines.. US have 71.

    (2012)

    http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Russia
    http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=United-States-of-America

    Most Russia subs are electric-diesel ,but they still can sink an Aircraft carrier or warship.. or another Submarine.
    Specially when their upgraded Kilos and next gen Yasen use same missiles.

    and those conventional submarines would be deadly in the middle of the ocean how ,and how the hell will they get there ,alive?
    the truth is russia wont have enough modern attack subs to cover its own boomers....
    let alone hunt USA boomers , carriers , and other surface ships...
    its a tragedy!
    not that it matters though since its "new" (using old unfinished hulls) boomers, are empty of missiles with 0 strategic value ... Laughing 
    not even speaking about other countries (europe ,china ,etc...)

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:46 pm

    Uh, if you are going to try to troll, do it right.

    They don't use unfinished old hulls. They used several sections (in fine state) from 971 boats, to make the work faster and cheaper.

    But I get it, you are trying to rile people up Smile .

    Nobody is claiming conventional subs will be out in the far depth of the oceans, but they are fine for exactly the role of boomer protection in near waters.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  navyfield on Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:52 pm

    they used several sections is a nice diplomatic wording or even maskirovka ,but lets call the things the way they are- old hull parts. there were improvements in steel from 1990-2010 you know  Wink  .
    that goes agains recent high ranking officials stating the boomers will patrol worlds oceans again...
    so little confidense in dolgoruki design?
    and still like i said russian nuclear sub fleet is decimated.
    if USA is smart it can just forgoe  new design and keep ohio-s as long as possible without any realistic threat for the few and far between russian attack subs.
    and anybody who disagrees with you is a troll now?/ nice subversion....

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:55 pm

    You got any ounce of proof those hull sections ruin performance in any way? It is high quality steel lol, I don't see the issue.
    No maskirovka about it, there are photos of the exact sections used, not rocket science to deduct what is from the 971s.

    Given Russia's budget, 8 + 8 new boats is more than enough.
    Do you understand how budgets work?

    And no, you are not trolling because you disagree with me. You are trolling because not a single one of your posts has an once of value in it. Keep it up Smile!

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Dima on Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:39 am

    Viktor wrote:Supply ships for Russian navy is in arms procurement program (this specifically referes to Artic but I guess it can be applied generally)

    Russian Navy Declares Development Prospects
    Thanks for the effort Viktor. But what I meant and what I'm looking for is the replenishment tankers to sustain the fleet at sea.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Dima on Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:51 am

    navyfield wrote:there were improvements in steel from 1990-2010 you know  Wink
    can you explain it little more on the specific steels that were introduced from that period and how it differs from those used before that period and how many of the USN ships built in the past 2 decade use these steels. Thanks in advance.

    and still like i said russian nuclear sub fleet is decimated.
    These decimated sub fleet still stalks the US coast without much fanfare as they did in the decades earlier.

    if USA is smart it can just forgoe  new design and keep ohio-s as long as possible without any realistic threat for the few and far between russian attack subs.
    There is division of task when it comes to Russian submarine fleet.
    The more cost-effective diesel-electric subs take care of the home waters where as the N-boats go out hunting in the open seas. In case of US, its all the costly N-boats that need to do the task. Not every N-boat go out and are tied up securing the home coastline.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  zg18 on Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:42 pm

    "Stoiky" began factory trials

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/45345/

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:15 am

    Conventional subs have the dilemma that when sailing on electric motors they are the quietest vessels available, but when running on diesels they are not so quiet and have to snorkle making them vulnerable to ASW aircraft.

    Obviously the best solution for Russian subs is to make for UK waters as they have retired all their ASW aircraft and are pretty much blind to enemy subs...


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  navyfield on Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:35 pm

    steel improvements include
    1.better welding characteristics for faster and more secure construction ,
    2. lower magnetic values for lesser detection,
    3.better strenght for more operational and maximum depth/ or lighter hull ,
    4. and better anti-corosive characteristics/ better durability- more important for single hull submarines.
    Disel subs had a 90/10% ratio for surface /submerged time-speed coeficient ,during cold war it was 80/20 , today its 70/30 ,but still they are only good for near landmass areas and smaller seas , not oceans. Any longer voyage is a no-go for diesel sub in wartime as it will be easily detected by sosus networks and destroyers.
    Russian submarine force is a mere shadow of former times and will lose several operational capabilities ,probably stop hunting usa/china/brit/fra boomers.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  collegeboy16 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:51 pm

    navyfield wrote:steel improvements include
    Russian submarine force is a mere shadow of former times and will lose several operational capabilities ,probably stop hunting usa/china/brit/fra boomers.
    haha, chicom boomers are noisy, easy to hunt down. brit and frencie boomers are quite good but few in number, wait for a few more years and they wont be able to catch up with quality & number. OTOH, murica boomers are also good and is in numbers, though they are getting quite old and put too much eggs in the basket.
    as for steel stuff, imo whatver improvements made is more likely very marginal, nothing like titanium on subs. and russkies have plenty of the stuff. not to mention diesel electrics like new lada class would give nuke subs a run for their money in terms of quiteness.

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