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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:12 am

    http://dmitry-v-ch-l.livejournal.com/95074.html

    Superb photos from Peter The Great's arctic voyage.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:13 am

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Viktor on Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:32 pm

    Fire on submarine "Tomsk" extinguished, radiation is normal

    Defense Ministry is preparing a lawsuit to the plant-repairman after a fire on the nuclear submarine "Tomsk"

    Repair APL "Tomsk" will take 10 days, the damage is minimal
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:50 pm

    Glad to hear that no one was injured and that damage was minimal. Sucks it will take 10 more days of repair.

    On that note, i'm feeling bad for the serviceman if it was an honest mistake.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:02 pm

    Somehow I suspect its not the one guys fault but the general conditions in the yard.
    Hell the MOD needs to be sued itself for its repair/ship procurement spending, just look how long subs wait repairs @ Zvezda (Zvezdochka is thankfully better in this sense).

    All in all fire was minor, no real loss, aside from yet another call for shipyard condition oversight.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:35 am

    Good news- the Prj. 21630 Mahachkala is finally moving down to the Caspian from St. Petersburg.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:33 am



    The result of last week's Redut and Rubezh coastal defense work, courtesy of the Pacific Fleet.

    More pics:

    http://pressa-tof.livejournal.com/143462.html
    http://pressa-tof.livejournal.com/142964.html
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:39 am

    In future , can we see a sub equipped with "short/mid-range/long range" air defence missiles and take a role to target aircrafts over atlantic ocean or anywhere else while the sub is submerged ?
    If you look at a conventional (ie diesel electric) sub you will see along with the periscope there are other mast mounted antenna including active and passive radar and radio antenna as well as different optical periscopes including slim attack periscopes as well as standard thermal equipped scopes etc etc.

    Also the snorkel for running the diesel engines while at periscope depth... any of which could be used to mount radar or IR sensors to detect helos and MPA aircraft. New missiles like Morfei make it even easier as they are lock on after launch missiles that will likely have a two way data link and some intelligence when it comes to engaging targets.

    It wouldn't be that hard to release a hemispherical IIR sensor that gives a 360 degree view horizontally and a 180 degree view vertically of the air space above the water showing any IR targets like helos or Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA)... in fact an unmanned underwater vehicle could have stabilised optics and IIR sensors as well as an array of passive radar and radio sensors that can be released by the sub to go to the surface and look for targets before the sub decides to snorkel... enemy radar could detect the UUV but it might be 5km from where the mother sub actually is so the data it sends to the mother ship might let the captain decide whether to come to near the surface and engage the threat to the UUV or if the UUV might be armed with MANPADS it could defend itself, or it could submerge and go down to 1,000m beyond the reach of anything the helo or MPA is carrying and then start to make its way back to the mother sub...

    of course in the future the MPA or Helo might drop their own UUVs to hunt down subs... expendible in the case of the MPA but recoverable with the helo...

    nope..unless a mean to detect and designate airborne target from underwater can be invented which is still unlikely.
    At periscope depth various antenna can scan for and detect air threats... most of the time however it is safer to submerge deeper and quietly leave the area than confirm you are there by opening fire.

    A shot down helo will attract a lot of enemy ASW assets... slipping away they might not realise you were there in the first place.

    Superb photos from Peter The Great's arctic voyage.
    Thanks for posting... got my vote...


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Firebird on Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:44 am

    TR1 wrote:

    The result of last week's Redut and Rubezh coastal defense work, courtesy of the Pacific Fleet.

    More pics:

    http://pressa-tof.livejournal.com/143462.html
    http://pressa-tof.livejournal.com/142964.html
    Anyone know what ship they are firing at there?

    It reminded me of the Ural command/ intelligence ship, with bow and stern chopped off...
    I think another smaller intelligence ship was recently scrapped.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:56 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoelWonTfZc
    Nice vid, the Arctic group lands men and equipment on Kotlin Island, for some work.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3y7uLrwr3U
    And the group in icy waters.
    They feed some Polar bears!
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:12 am

    Firebird wrote:
    TR1 wrote:

    The result of last week's Redut and Rubezh coastal defense work, courtesy of the Pacific Fleet.

    More pics:

    http://pressa-tof.livejournal.com/143462.html
    http://pressa-tof.livejournal.com/142964.html
    Anyone know what ship they are firing at there?

    It reminded me of the Ural command/ intelligence ship, with bow and stern chopped off...
    I think another smaller intelligence ship was recently scrapped.
    Plavkazarma (floating barracks) PZM-35. It has been used as a target before.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Firebird on Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:09 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    TR1 wrote:

    The result of last week's Redut and Rubezh coastal defense work, courtesy of the Pacific Fleet.

    More pics:

    http://pressa-tof.livejournal.com/143462.html
    http://pressa-tof.livejournal.com/142964.html
    Anyone know what ship they are firing at there?

    It reminded me of the Ural command/ intelligence ship, with bow and stern chopped off...
    I think another smaller intelligence ship was recently scrapped.
    Plavkazarma (floating barracks) PZM-35. It has been used as a target before.
    Oh cool. Thanks : )

    Would've been a shame to blow up the Ural.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:53 pm

    Looks like a nice big fat juicy target with high RCS that is hard to miss.
    On the other hand the USNavy carriers and amphibious ships are even bigger, fatter, juicier and with an even bigger RCS.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:10 pm

    GarryB wrote:If you look at a conventional (ie diesel electric) sub you will see along with the periscope there are other mast mounted antenna including active and passive radar and radio antenna as well as different optical periscopes including slim attack periscopes as well as standard thermal equipped scopes etc etc.

    Also the snorkel for running the diesel engines while at periscope depth... any of which could be used to mount radar or IR sensors to detect helos and MPA aircraft. New missiles like Morfei make it even easier as they are lock on after launch missiles that will likely have a two way data link and some intelligence when it comes to engaging targets.

    It wouldn't be that hard to release a hemispherical IIR sensor that gives a 360 degree view horizontally and a 180 degree view vertically of the air space above the water showing any IR targets like helos or Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA)... in fact an unmanned underwater vehicle could have stabilised optics and IIR sensors as well as an array of passive radar and radio sensors that can be released by the sub to go to the surface and look for targets before the sub decides to snorkel... enemy radar could detect the UUV but it might be 5km from where the mother sub actually is so the data it sends to the mother ship might let the captain decide whether to come to near the surface and engage the threat to the UUV or if the UUV might be armed with MANPADS it could defend itself, or it could submerge and go down to 1,000m beyond the reach of anything the helo or MPA is carrying and then start to make its way back to the mother sub...

    of course in the future the MPA or Helo might drop their own UUVs to hunt down subs... expendible in the case of the MPA but recoverable with the helo...
    Thanks Garry , my vote

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    Triple M hoistable mast for subs: can be equipped with Mauser RMK 30mm cannon. That would allow a sub to engage a target with guinfire while submerged. Possibly in such a manner, one could also deploy MANPADS while submerged.
    http://maschinenbau.gabler-luebeck.de/de/entwicklungen/eigenschutz/index.html


    I also think the german navy see the need to have a surface to air missile because German navy operates subs often/mainly in the confined, shallow waters of the Baltic (as opposed to e.g. the deep open North Atlantic). Hence the use on Type 212A of non-magnetic steel and regular seel on Type 214. I.e. the sub is more likely to not have anywhere to go to avoid detection. Hence, an option that gives it a fighting chance makes good sense.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Viktor on Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:19 am

    On the road to Artic


    (size of Ka-29 in comparison with Kirov is simply Very Happy )


    In remotest Russian Arctic, a new Navy base

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:23 am

    Pssst, that Ka-27 is just far away Wink
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:23 am



    Leopard @ Zvezdochka!
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:56 pm



    Supposedly the mighty Vulkan.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Austin on Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:10 am

    TR1 , whats key specs about Vulcan , is it better than Shipwreck ?
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:29 am

    TR1 wrote:

    Supposedly the mighty Vulkan.
    Hmm not really sure.. the wings are swept instead of delta..those could be P-35 "Progress"/"Redut"


    This is the P-500 or P-1000



    Both missiles..I heard very similar in appearance but differs internally.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:41 am

    Austin wrote:TR1 , whats key specs about Vulcan , is it better than Shipwreck ?
    Hard to say, it is a secret missile, but it is just a better Bazalt.

    Shipwreck probably has some fundamentally better characteristics, being a newer design.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:31 pm

    40+ years old veteran destroyer Smetlivy training with missiles.

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201309240929-3tb7.htm
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:32 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:40+ years old veteran destroyer Smetlivy training with missiles.

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201309240929-3tb7.htm
    Is that thing still operational today ? I thought Russians already retired all Kashin class.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:15 am

    The SA-N-1 is still in service on land as the SA-3 but it is being withdrawn... they made hundreds of thousands of those missiles.

    In terms of taking on NATO it is obsolete, but it is still a reliable and useful vessel that can perform a range of roles.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  zg18 on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:09 pm



    Apparently Buyan-M "Grad Sviyazhsk" had first missile tests of Kalibr-NK in Caspian

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