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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  Viktor on Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    5-7 Yassen + 11 - 9 Killo / Lada = I was expecting more Lada class to enter service (6 Killo by contract and 3-5 Lada in production)

    I rather suspect 5-6 Yasen, 5-6 Kilo, and 4-6 Lada. The Lada class should be the priority when their propulsion is perfected (ie batteries and AIP) and once they are in production Kilos will become only for export.

    I was hoping for more Lada class - at least 10 of them with VLS and all Very Happy

    Yassen. (one almost finished its testing and the other one, construction)= 2 Yassen + 7 years left to finish rest of them.

    Borei - not a problem (might finished their work by 2018 for 8 boats)

    Now as for surface fleet. Article says about 54 surface warship. That might include

    project 1135: - 6 ships by 2016

    project 21630/1 - this will almost certainly be the most numerous class that will replace all the Grisha/Nanuchka/Tarantul/Parchim/
    so who knows how many will be ordered and constructed but until 2016 I suspect 10-13 (and until 2020 10 more even)

    project 20380: - about 8 ships max by 2016 (8 more by 2020)

    project: 22350: - 4 ships by 2016 (4-6 more by 2020)

    new destroyer: hopefully 10-15 in construction Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy (none finished)

    So altogether we have 50-55 ships. And by representation we have about:

    project 1135: 11%

    project 21630/1: 42%

    project 20380: 29%

    project 22350: 18%

    As we see regional fleet but highly powerful one with its underwater part giving it a strategic reach.

    There is also about 100 supply ships and tugboats, research, salvage and other that will be constructed by 2020 to support surface fleet.

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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:36 am

    I was hoping for more Lada class - at least 10 of them with VLS and all

    I was meaning till 2020. I rather suspect once they have them in production the orders for the extra Kilos will cease... the Kilos are good because they are quick to produce, but once Lada-M production is in full swing I suspect the yards making Kilos will go back to export, or they might switch to Lada-M Class for domestic use and export.

    As we see regional fleet but highly powerful one with its underwater part giving it a strategic reach.

    That would be the new component of the fleets, what about the older larger vessels that are given upgrades and overhauls? ...plus at least two Mistral carriers... and an overhauled Kuznetsov with nuke propulsion and EM Cats...



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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  Viktor on Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:04 am

    GarryB wrote:I was meaning till 2020. I rather suspect once they have them in production the orders for the extra Kilos will cease... the Kilos are good because they are quick to produce, but once Lada-M production is in full swing I suspect the yards making Kilos will go back to export, or they might switch to Lada-M Class for domestic use and export.

    Agree. Just like project 1135 is a stop gap measure until project 22350 speeds up production. After 2016 I suspect all issues

    regarding 22350 will be resolved and full rate production just like in project 1135 will continue. Afterwards there will be no more

    need for project 1135 (even for export as project 20380/22350 will take its place).



    GarryB wrote:That would be the new component of the fleets, what about the older larger vessels that are given upgrades and overhauls? ...plus at least two Mistral carriers... and an overhauled Kuznetsov with nuke propulsion and EM Cats...

    Agree. I was just analyzing newly build. 54 ships that was mentioned in the article, not the overall picture.

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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:52 am

    There are a lot of support ships that need replacing... and I suspect they might have a few surprises up their sleeves.

    Imagine a long river boat with an upgraded T-72 turret at each end with reduced armour (to reduce weight) and modified internal design to allow a greater elevation range for the main gun... in other words able to use existing tank turrets without needing new builds so older turrets can be used instead of new builds, that is designed for operating large numbers of UAVs from its flat raised deck... make it a Cat design with three hulls with the centre hull containing the crew and command area with a small tower in the centre for managing the aircraft and piloting blocks at the front and rear to operate the vessel (without the need to turn around a lot).

    The two outside hulls have two flat runway decks that are parallel so landing can take place on one and launching on the other at one time. The hulls below the flight decks contain automated UAV/UCAV storage areas and at the rear engine and propulsion positions.

    The vessel could support hundreds of aircraft including fixed and rotary winged craft and it could operate on rivers and lakes providing a mobile base for C4IR UAVs and attack UCAVs to support operations. It wouldn't need to be too expensive, but the usefulness of UAVs has already been proven. Use on rivers and lakes means it wont have to deal with very rough conditions and the three hulls should offer high speed and stability for operating aircraft.

    Robotic arms could manouver UAVs from a vertical stack storage system in each outer hull where UAVs can be packed in tightly and refuelled and armed automatically, and then placed on the deck ready for takeoff without needing any deck crew. Fuel and ammo is stored in the outer unmanned hulls while the inner hull will only have ammo for the front and rear tank turrets. Perhaps a few automated gun turrets on the front and rear of the outer hulls might offer protection for the vessel... perhaps the 12.7mm gatling gun turrets from obsolete Hinds as they are withdrawn. Fitted as remote weapon systems with stabilisers and night optics... I would probably add a few automatic mortars to enable the vessel to deliver fire support... perhaps a long barrel 120mm rifled gun/mortar... together with the UAVs for spotting targets it would be rather potent. Of course taking advantage of the boats design and ability to take heavy recoil perhaps a 240mm mortar might be more useful with extended range and guided bombs with the UAVs to mark targets with lasers and to evaluate the effects of an attack to determine if follow up attacks would be needed...

    Then you have modified Akula SSBNs fitted out as motherships for a range of UUVs and mini subs...


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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  Viktor on Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:15 pm

    We have a time frame for 5th generation submarine.

    Russia Goes Ahead with 5G Submarine Project



    MOSCOW, March 18 (RIA Novosti) - Work is in progress on the newest fifth-generation nuclear-powered and diesel submarines at Russia's Rubin Central Design Bureau, Rubin head Igor Vilnit said on Monday.

    The Russian Navy currently relies on third-generation submarines with fourth-generation subs of the Yury Dolgoruky (Project 955 Borey) and St. Petersburg (Project 677 Lada) class just beginning to be adopted for service.

    In addition to Rubin, Defense Ministry research centers and the Navy Institute, as well as Rubin’s partners and contractors, are currently working to develop a basic design of the fifth-generation submarine.

    The new submarine will have a service life of about 50 years, he said.
    The fifth generation will be distinguished by its lowered noise, automated control systems, reactor safety, and long-range weapons.
    The Defense Ministry previously said Russia is planning to develop its fifth-generation submarine by 2020 under a 2011-2020 arms procurement program, to be armed with both ballistic and cruise missiles.



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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  Viktor on Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:56 pm

    All submarines of Akula project 971 class will be repaired and modernized.


    So by 2020 we can expect:

    - 8 boats of project 885 (Yassen)
    - 11/12 boats of project 971(Akula) (does anyone know the right number - my guess is 11 or 12)
    - 4 boats of project 945 (Sierra)
    - 4 boats of project 671 (Victor)
    - 8 boats of project 949/A (Oscar) (I think 8 boats as I counted)

    So by 2020 we can expect these numbers of attack submarines to pass modernization and be built.

    Count number: 35/36

    Rather high number of capable boats.


    All submarine project "Pike-B" will be the average repair



    "Defense has decided to hold the third-generation submarine repair. Speaking specifically about the 971 project, the world two years ago and successfully defended a project to repair the ships," - said Dorofeyev.


    MOSCOW, March 19 - RIA Novosti. All nuclear submarines of project 971 (code "Pike-B") will be the average repair and with the "clear" the group will form the basis of multi-purpose submarines of the Navy of Russia in the next decade, according to RIA Novosti General Director of JSC "St. Petersburg Naval Machinery Bureau" Malachite "Vladimir Dorofeev.

    "Defense has decided to hold the third-generation submarine repair. Speaking specifically about the 971 project, the world two years ago and successfully defended a project to repair the ships. Now the first ship is already on the" star ", raised in the shop, and did are repairs, "- said Dorofeyev.

    The need for such measures due to the fact that during the existence of nuclear submarines of the third generation of multi-purpose, none of these ships did not pass the average depot repair, said Dorofeyev. By the summer of experts "Malachite" finished all the drawings for the repair and modernization of 971 project. First of all, the boats will be equipped with new electronic weapons complexes.

    "Contractions now is not one ship, but on a series of ships - in order to provide a clear program of the plant, group purchasing of the equipment. Appointed the following ships of the series. Upgraded 971 project will be a new quality. These boats, along with submarines under construction, Project 885 form the basis of a general-purpose naval forces of the domestic Navy "- said Dorofeyev


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    There are some reports about 7 and not 8 of the project 885 Yassen being build but all are unconfirmed.

    We could expect all project 885 contract signed up this year or in 2014 so this might be some pressure exhorting to lower the price

    as those boats are damn expensive.

    Anyway 6 is the smallest number we have heard and 8 is the maximum. So no surprises there.

    3/19/13 SEVEN AND NOT EIGHT SUBMARINES WILL BE IN "CLEAR"
    March 19 2013.

    RIA Novosti . A series of submarine project 885 "Yasen" will consist of seven instead of eight submarines of this class, said in an interview with RIA Novosti Director General of "St. Petersburg Naval Machinery Bureau" Malachite "Vladimir Dorofeev.

    Previously, the command of the Navy of the Russian Federation has stated its intention to order the eight multi-purpose submarine project 885 "Yasen". However, in the beginning of the year, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Navy until 2020 will get seven boats of this project.

    "Now, the first ship of the series" Severodvinsk "is the factory sea trials and this year should be necessarily passed the Defense Ministry. Second," Kazan ", is now on the stocks," Sevmash. "We will build five more ships modernized series," - said Dorofeyev .

    Over a series of Project 885 submarines modernized definitely do not plan to make significant changes to the set of weapons and other systems, "clear", said Dorofeyev.

    "The issue of the third tab" Ash "is discussed, and it is, to some extent, a political question. From a technical point of view, the construction of the ship began the day after the signing of the contract, at the moment is a specific section on the stocks, technical readiness of over 10 percent. A bookmark can be done this year, "- he added.

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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:12 pm

    I believe by 2020, most or all of the 671 (Victor III) boats will be decommissioned.

    In other news: The Grad Svyazhk(Project 21631 Buyan-M) has been launched.

    http://flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=140707

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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  Viktor on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:43 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:I believe by 2020, most or all of the 671 (Victor III) boats will be decommissioned.

    In other news: The Grad Svyazhk(Project 21631 Buyan-M) has been launched.

    http://flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=140707

    Who knows, but who would have expected to see 4 Sierra boats back in the service and modernized. Sierras was that one class,

    most of us thought would be decommissioned and scraped. Now Victor class is cheapest of all attack boats to operate with good attack

    and and other qualities. If Russian navy needs numbers Victor class is a good bang for the buck.

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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:45 pm

    I also see the 671RTMKs to be the first to go before 2020. No modernizations are planned for them AFAIK.
    Also I suspect we will see closer to 9 modernized and operational 971s by 2020, not the entire "nominal" fleet today.
    949 is unclear, but by 2020 the oldest may very well be withdrawn. I see the fleet shrinking steadily by 2020, but maintaining core capability. By that time new subs should be arriving that older ones can be decommission anwyays.
    And ofc I am absolutely convinced 8 885s in service by 2020 will not be met. Laid down maybe, hopefully all launched.

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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:16 pm

    Interesting video about the Makhachkala:

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GObtO9aBQTU[/youtube]

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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  medo on Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:13 pm

    Any pictures of Grad Sviyazhsk?

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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:04 am

    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5633/81237179.dc/0_889b7_1b5028a7_orig

    Nice photo of Tatarstan and Dagestan next to each other.

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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  Viktor on Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:41 am

    Admiral Gorshkov in advance state of readiness - finally we can hope to see it at sea pretty soon


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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:52 am

    That's from November, the radar mast is still empty and no sign of gun.

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    Re: Russian Navy Status

    Post  Viktor on Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:21 am

    TR1 wrote:That's from November, the radar mast is still empty and no sign of gun.

    You are right.

    Well since November almost 5 months has passed so do we have more recent photo?

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