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    Post  Viktor Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:I was meaning till 2020. I rather suspect once they have them in production the orders for the extra Kilos will cease... the Kilos are good because they are quick to produce, but once Lada-M production is in full swing I suspect the yards making Kilos will go back to export, or they might switch to Lada-M Class for domestic use and export.

    Agree. Just like project 1135 is a stop gap measure until project 22350 speeds up production. After 2016 I suspect all issues

    regarding 22350 will be resolved and full rate production just like in project 1135 will continue. Afterwards there will be no more

    need for project 1135 (even for export as project 20380/22350 will take its place).



    GarryB wrote:That would be the new component of the fleets, what about the older larger vessels that are given upgrades and overhauls? ...plus at least two Mistral carriers... and an overhauled Kuznetsov with nuke propulsion and EM Cats...

    Agree. I was just analyzing newly build. 54 ships that was mentioned in the article, not the overall picture.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:52 am

    There are a lot of support ships that need replacing... and I suspect they might have a few surprises up their sleeves.

    Imagine a long river boat with an upgraded T-72 turret at each end with reduced armour (to reduce weight) and modified internal design to allow a greater elevation range for the main gun... in other words able to use existing tank turrets without needing new builds so older turrets can be used instead of new builds, that is designed for operating large numbers of UAVs from its flat raised deck... make it a Cat design with three hulls with the centre hull containing the crew and command area with a small tower in the centre for managing the aircraft and piloting blocks at the front and rear to operate the vessel (without the need to turn around a lot).

    The two outside hulls have two flat runway decks that are parallel so landing can take place on one and launching on the other at one time. The hulls below the flight decks contain automated UAV/UCAV storage areas and at the rear engine and propulsion positions.

    The vessel could support hundreds of aircraft including fixed and rotary winged craft and it could operate on rivers and lakes providing a mobile base for C4IR UAVs and attack UCAVs to support operations. It wouldn't need to be too expensive, but the usefulness of UAVs has already been proven. Use on rivers and lakes means it wont have to deal with very rough conditions and the three hulls should offer high speed and stability for operating aircraft.

    Robotic arms could manouver UAVs from a vertical stack storage system in each outer hull where UAVs can be packed in tightly and refuelled and armed automatically, and then placed on the deck ready for takeoff without needing any deck crew. Fuel and ammo is stored in the outer unmanned hulls while the inner hull will only have ammo for the front and rear tank turrets. Perhaps a few automated gun turrets on the front and rear of the outer hulls might offer protection for the vessel... perhaps the 12.7mm gatling gun turrets from obsolete Hinds as they are withdrawn. Fitted as remote weapon systems with stabilisers and night optics... I would probably add a few automatic mortars to enable the vessel to deliver fire support... perhaps a long barrel 120mm rifled gun/mortar... together with the UAVs for spotting targets it would be rather potent. Of course taking advantage of the boats design and ability to take heavy recoil perhaps a 240mm mortar might be more useful with extended range and guided bombs with the UAVs to mark targets with lasers and to evaluate the effects of an attack to determine if follow up attacks would be needed...

    Then you have modified Akula SSBNs fitted out as motherships for a range of UUVs and mini subs...
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    Post  Viktor Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:15 pm

    We have a time frame for 5th generation submarine.

    Russia Goes Ahead with 5G Submarine Project



    MOSCOW, March 18 (RIA Novosti) - Work is in progress on the newest fifth-generation nuclear-powered and diesel submarines at Russia's Rubin Central Design Bureau, Rubin head Igor Vilnit said on Monday.

    The Russian Navy currently relies on third-generation submarines with fourth-generation subs of the Yury Dolgoruky (Project 955 Borey) and St. Petersburg (Project 677 Lada) class just beginning to be adopted for service.

    In addition to Rubin, Defense Ministry research centers and the Navy Institute, as well as Rubin’s partners and contractors, are currently working to develop a basic design of the fifth-generation submarine.

    The new submarine will have a service life of about 50 years, he said.
    The fifth generation will be distinguished by its lowered noise, automated control systems, reactor safety, and long-range weapons.
    The Defense Ministry previously said Russia is planning to develop its fifth-generation submarine by 2020 under a 2011-2020 arms procurement program, to be armed with both ballistic and cruise missiles.



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    Post  medo Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:13 pm

    Any pictures of Grad Sviyazhsk?
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    Post  TR1 Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:04 pm

    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5633/81237179.dc/0_889b7_1b5028a7_orig

    Nice photo of Tatarstan and Dagestan next to each other.
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    Post  Viktor Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:41 pm

    Admiral Gorshkov in advance state of readiness - finally we can hope to see it at sea pretty soon

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    Post  TR1 Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:52 pm

    That's from November, the radar mast is still empty and no sign of gun.
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    Post  Viktor Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:21 pm

    TR1 wrote:That's from November, the radar mast is still empty and no sign of gun.

    You are right.

    Well since November almost 5 months has passed so do we have more recent photo?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:37 am

    Russian Navy Develops New Mini Submarines

    LANGKAWI (Malaysia), March 29 (RIA Novosti) – Russian shipbuilders are working on developing new “super mini” submarines, the United Shipbuilding Corporation state holding company said on Friday.

    USC vice president Igor Zakharov said work on the sea craft is in progress at the St. Petersburg-based Malakhit naval machine manufacturing bureau and that Navy command has been showing interest in the project.

    Alexander Terenov, an advisor to Malakhit’s general director, said the Project 865 Piranha submersible (NATO reporting name Losos) could go beyond just “hit and run” operations.

    “They have a broad range of applications and can carry full-fledged missile and torpedo systems,” Terenov said.

    Terenov said the Piranha could also be deployed for the protection of naval installations, and would be operated by small crews and cost little to maintain.

    Piranha is a midget submarine designed for special operations and is almost completely silent. Only two Piranha-class submarines were reportedly ever built in Russia.

    Piranha is not particularly fast, and only a few were built.

    The Losharik is a very different submarine and is a very capable vessel made up of several circular inner hull structures that allow very deep operation. The outer hull is submarined cigar shaped so it looks like a normal sub. It is nuclear powered but has limited range due to its small size and limited food capacity... it is normally carried by a mother ship like a modified Delta III.

    An upgrade of the Typhoon class (Akula SSBN) might be a reason for the development of new mini subs like these too.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:35 pm

    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/722/SriEw.jpg

    Photo of Novorosiisk hull sometime this year. The submarine is going to be launched before the end of the year.
    The 4th boat will be laid down this year, and the yard is of course busy with the 6 submarines for Vietnam.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:38 pm

    I think Algeria ordered two more project 636 boats also.
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    Post  Austin Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:25 am

    Severodvinsk shipbuilders hold a deep modernization of six nuclear submarines of Project 971 third generation - to the level of "3 +"
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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:52 am

    Interesting to see they are introducing the Gibka missile system on small boats.

    Gibka is a small turret with sensors and two arms with 4 missiles on each arm. The missiles are standard MANPADS.

    In the 1990s they tested the Igla against targets replicating cruise missiles. (the missile targets actually used were Falanga ATGMs which I think you will agree are very small, low flying targets.)

    The result of the tests (4 kills out of 9) resulted in the development and introduction of the Igla-S. The 5 misses were very close misses but because the Igla has an impact or graze fuse a miss of a few mms is a complete miss that will not bring down the target.

    The result was that the Igla-S has a proximity fuse and is much more effective against small fast targets.

    Because of this the Gibka is in many ways similar to SEA RAM, though rather simpler and cheaper.
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    Post  medo Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:22 am

    GarryB wrote:Interesting to see they are introducing the Gibka missile system on small boats.

    Gibka is a small turret with sensors and two arms with 4 missiles on each arm. The missiles are standard MANPADS.

    In the 1990s they tested the Igla against targets replicating cruise missiles. (the missile targets actually used were Falanga ATGMs which I think you will agree are very small, low flying targets.)

    The result of the tests (4 kills out of 9) resulted in the development and introduction of the Igla-S. The 5 misses were very close misses but because the Igla has an impact or graze fuse a miss of a few mms is a complete miss that will not bring down the target.

    The result was that the Igla-S has a proximity fuse and is much more effective against small fast targets.

    Because of this the Gibka is in many ways similar to SEA RAM, though rather simpler and cheaper.

    Igla-S is designed with cruise missiles in mind, which are not very different comparing to antiship missiles. Maybe it have shorter range and smaller warhead than RAM, but still not much worse than RAM. But I would still more like to compare it to French naval Mistral complex called Sadral.
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    Post  TR1 Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:16 pm

    http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/fotoflota/54833785/173550/173550_original.jpg

    Baltic Fleet cat.
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    Post  Austin Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:51 am

    Navy called the publication of the newspaper "Izvestia" incompetent
    http://vpk-news.ru/news/15524

    "The author in his reasoning creates confusion in the rules of clothing allowances of officers, military personnel and contractual military service. To a certain credibility used quotes from dubious sources who do not know any terminology or understanding of the differences between subjects working uniforms, tropical uniforms, casual uniforms of sailors, "- he said. According to him, "the current working uniform of conscripts, consisting of sets of cotton navy blue caps and currently meets all the conditions of life on the ships."

    "In 2008. for military personnel of all categories (from sailor to officer) was additionally introduced seafarers working uniform with reflective strips to work exclusively on the upper deck. It is moisture, retains heat and is used for mooring ships and other works on the upper deck with a view of adverse weather conditions and poor visibility, "- said the representative of the Navy.

    "It is not true, and the author's article that caps and hats in the Navy will be replaced by knitted hats and berets", - he said.

    "The officers' blue jacket with stand-up collar was introduced additionally in 2011, and not as a substitute for other items of uniforms, as stated in the article. The tunic is designed for officers and established itself over time as the subject of comfortable traditional form of clothing used while carrying ship or watch duty on the ship "- reminded the agency.

    "Information about the poor conditions on the ships shape washing clothes is also not true," - said the representative of the Navy.
    "When the ship docked in the base laundry work is carried out on a regular basis, outsourcing companies. While at sea wash uniforms and linen is made with special and household washing machines which are placed on the board, "- he recalled.

    "The author of the article should know that the cleanliness and order on each ship of the Navy, regardless of his rank, historically built into the sacred tradition", - said the representative of the Navy.


    "It can be concluded that the publication of a series of repeated incompetent and misleading publications military topics in this edition of", - said the representative of the Navy

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    Post  TR1 Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:59 pm

    https://i.imgur.com/VohcYhK.jpg

    What a monster!
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:41 am

    Nice pic... an Akula SSBN...
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    Post  medo Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:15 am

    Any news about the fourth Grigorovich class fregate being layed down?
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    Post  TR1 Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:48 pm

    medo wrote:Any news about the fourth Grigorovich class fregate being layed down?
    Work on it started last year, they just haggled with price till now.
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    Post  Austin Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:38 am

    Latest Military Parade has an interview regarding Borei SSBN


    http://www.smizona.com/_files/small/Military%20Parade_2013_01.pdf
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:58 pm

    Why exactly are the completely worthless by today's standards project 133 corvettes in service in the Baltic fleet?
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    Post  TR1 Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:46 pm

    Why are the similarly worthless Perry's in service around the world?

    It is an ASW patrol boat. It does its job. What would be the point of retiring suddenly the whole fleet?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:05 am

    Because there is currently nothing better available to replace it.

    The Baltic is not a huge priority, though they will likely be replaced eventually... as a patrol boat they have reasonable armament, while they do have obsolete weapons it really isn't cost effective to update those weapons... makes more sense to just keep using them till replacements are ready and then retire them.

    Besides most Baltic states hardly have anything that requires something better anyway... the don't have their own air forces... do they have navies?
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:46 am

    GarryB wrote:Because there is currently nothing better available to replace it.

    The Baltic is not a huge priority, though they will likely be replaced eventually... as a patrol boat they have reasonable armament, while they do have obsolete weapons it really isn't cost effective to update those weapons... makes more sense to just keep using them till replacements are ready and then retire them.

    Besides most Baltic states hardly have anything that requires something better anyway... the don't have their own air forces... do they have navies?
    the Baltic fleet's main threat is the Swedish navy which has quite advanced ships. In war project 133s, armed only with manpads and virtually no antiship weaponry and also their ASW is completely obsolete by todays standards, they would be more a burden than an asset. The project 133 was a corvette originally developed for the Volksmarine not thus it was less powerful than its soviet equivalent, the albatross class makes a lot more sense to be in service than that warsaw pact monkey model.
    Also are there any plans to have pr.21630 corvettes for fleets other than the caspain one? Why would you need such a heavily armed ship basicly very large lake without threat countries? The USSR churned up more than a dozen corvettes every year and while this isn't possible for Russia today can the building span of a >1000 t ship be done in a few months rather than 1 or 2 years?
    Meanwhile can the project 133s be at leats upgraded with igla-S instead of the useless strela 2?

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