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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:37 pm


    Russia to rotate naval task force off Somalia coast in December

    RIA Novosti

    05:30 04/11/2010

    MOSCOW, November 4 (RIA Novosti) - Russian warships will continue patrolling commercial shipping routes in the Gulf of Aden in 2011 to help thwart frequent pirate attacks on merchant ships, a Russian Defense Ministry spokesman said.

    A Pacific Fleet's task force led by the Admiral Vinogradov destroyer will replace the current naval group led by Northern Fleet's Admiral Levchenko destroyer in December, the official said on Wednesday.

    "Warships from the Russian Navy will continue their regular presence in the Gulf of Aden and around the Horn of Africa in 2011," he said.

    Admiral Vinogradov carried out its first anti-piracy mission off the Somali coast in January-March 2009.

    The current task force led by Admiral Levchenko, an Udaloy class guided-missile destroyer, arrived in the Gulf of Aden on July 3 to join the international anti-piracy mission near Somalia. The Russian naval group also includes the Olekma tanker and the SB-36 tugboat of Russia's Black Sea Fleet.

    The Russian task force has successfully escorted 13 commercial convoys with a total of 57 vessels through pirate-infested waters off the Somali coast since its arrival in the area.

    The Russian Navy has maintained a presence off the Horn of Africa since October 2008, with warships operating on a rotation basis.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-101104-rianovosti01.htm
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    Two Russian ASW planes interrupt U.S.-Japanese drills

    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:02 pm


    Two Russian ASW planes interrupt U.S.-Japanese drills
    RIA Novosti

    05:36 08/12/2010

    TOKYO, December 8 (RIA Novosti) - A joint U.S.-Japanese military exercise in the Sea of Japan was suspended when two Russian Il-38 May anti-submarine aircraft flew over the area, the NHK channel said on Wednesday citing the Japanese defense ministry.

    The biennial Keen Sword drills were suspended amid fears that the Russian aircraft may obtain top-secret data, the channel reported.

    Around 34,000 Japanese military personnel with 40 warships and 250 aircraft joined more than 10,000 U.S. troops with 20 warships and 150 aircraft in the drills in the Sea of Japan, off the southern island of Okinawa.

    The agenda of the exercises, which will continue until December 10, include integrated air and missile defense, base security, close-air support, live-fire drills, maritime defense and search and rescue missions.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:40 am


    Russian warships visit Sri Lanka, head to Gulf of Aden

    RIA Novosti

    02:15 11/12/2010

    VLADIVOSTOK, December 11 (RIA Novosti) - A Pacific Fleet's task force led by the Admiral Vinogradov destroyer will complete on Saturday a three-day visit to Sri Lanka and head to the Gulf of Aden to fight sea piracy in the region.

    The visit to the port of Colombo coincided with the 60th anniversary of Sri Lanka's Navy.

    "During the friendly stay the Russian sailors visited the mayor's office and several military facilities," a spokesman for Russia's Pacific Fleet said.

    The Admiral Vinogradov destroyer is accompanied on the current mission by a salvage tug and the Pechenga tanker.

    The task force is to replace the naval group led by Northern Fleet's Admiral Levchenko Udaloy class guided-missile destroyer. The group, which also includes the Olekma tanker and the SB-36 tugboat of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, arrived in the Gulf of Aden on July 3.

    The Russian Navy has maintained a presence off the Horn of Africa since October 2008, with warships operating on a rotation basis.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2010/russia-101211-rianovosti01.htm
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    Post  Serbia Forever 2 on Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:15 pm

    Russian Black Sea Fleet to join NATO naval drills in 2011

    The Russian Black Sea Fleet will take part for the first time in NATO's Bold Monarch exercise next year, its commander said on Friday.

    "Ahead of us [next year] are tactical drills involving multiple task forces, Russian-Turkish exercises under the Black Sea Partnership program and the NATO drills, Bold Monarch, which the Black Sea Fleet will take part in for the first time," Vice Adm. Vladimir Korolyov said.

    Bold Monarch is a major NATO live submarine escape and rescue exercise, involving ships, aircraft and submarines. It will be held next year in the Mediterranean, off the coast of Spain, on June 1-9.

    Korolyov also said that the Black Sea Fleet was scheduled to hold joint drills with Ukraine and Italy, and continue its participation in Operation Black Sea Harmony in 2011.

    SEVASTOPOL, December 17 (RIA Novosti)
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    Russia's Naval ship-building program:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:17 am

    October 29, 2010 saw the launch of the Admiral Sergei Gorshkov class frigate, the lead ship of the Navy's Project 22350 class. This is the first large Russian surface warship designed and launched since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    Russia's naval ship-building program is gradually gaining momentum. The keels of numerous warships and submarines have already been laid, and many other ships are in the design phase. Taken together, this gives us a peek into the future of the Russian Navy for the next 10, 15 and even 20 years.

    So, what will it look like?

    Before I get to specific warships and submarines, I should note the current trend of naval development is completely different than the trend 30-35 years ago.

    What we are seeing is maximum standardization in warship and submarine designs. They all begin with a few base platforms, and from there standard equipment is added depending on the function of the warship.

    This same goes for the submarine fleet. The pressure hulls of new strategic ballistic-missile submarines and attack submarines are assembled using standardized sections.

    The submarines have standard propulsion units, as well as similar sonars and radio-electronic equipment. Essentially, they differ only in terms of their main armament.

    Strategic ballistic-missile submarines are equipped with silos which will house RSM-56 SS-NX-32 submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs), while attack submarines will feature multi-purpose launchers for various types of cruise missiles.

    The warships currently being developed also use standardized propulsion units, launchers, radio-electronic equipment, etc.

    The Soviet Union had realized the need for standardization by the early 1980s. At the time, its vast navy was a motley assortment of warships and submarines with limited production runs and drastically different armament and equipment.

    This made it extremely difficult to service, repair and resupply warships and submarines and to train their crews. Standardized warships, which began to be developed in the 1980s, were expected to help overhaul the navy by the mid 1990s and early 2000s. However, these plans were not realized for obvious reasons.

    Russia had inherited a scaled-down version of the Soviet navy, which was hard to service and even harder to adapt to meet new challenges. The government worked to upgrade the navy throughout the 2000s.

    The submarine fleet is the backbone of the navy

    Analysts and high-ranking Defense Ministry officials believe that the submarine fleet is still the backbone of the Russian Navy, and that it will continue to play this role in the future.

    Most important are the strategic nuclear forces accounting for 700-750 out of the 1,500 strategic nuclear warheads, which Russia plans to keep until the late 2010s.

    Barring experimental submarines and special-purpose submarines, which are traditionally veiled in secrecy, the Russian Navy will continue to receive two types of nuclear-powered submarines and two types of diesel-electric submarines in the next few years. The latter are more frequently called non-nuclear submarines featuring next-generation propulsion units.

    Eight Project 955 Borei class ballistic-missile submarines will form the foundation of the navy's strategic nuclear forces. The first submarine is currently being tested, three more are under construction, and the keels of four other submarines are to be laid in the next five to six years.

    The success of this project depends on the prompt completion of Bulava missile tests and the missile's subsequent adoption. This is a priority of the government. Hopefully, the various design problems will be solved soon.

    In the next few decades, the navy will operate Project 885 Yasen (Graney class) attack submarines. The lead submarine, the Severodvinsk, was launched in the summer of 2010.

    These heavily armed and extremely costly submarines are expected to replace 15 Project 671 Victor class, Project 945 Sierra I class and Project 949-A Oscar II submarines dating back to the Soviet period in the course of the next 15 years.

    They are to replace the 12 aging Project 971 Akula class submarines after 2025.

    One Project 885 submarine is currently being built. The keels of another six submarines are to be laid in the next six to seven years. In all, 10 to 12 Yasen submarines are to be constructed by 2025.

    The expensive Project 885 submarines are frequently derided as a luxury in the media, and Moscow is encouraged to follow the example of the United States.

    In effect, Washington has scrapped the ambitious SSN-21 Sea Wolf attack submarine program, designed as a response to the Soviet Akula class submarines, because of its prohibitive costs. Instead, the U.S. Navy has started building the much smaller Virginia class submarines.

    Moscow clearly thinks that it would be too risky and expensive to design a new submarine now. Consequently, new Yasen submarines will be built, and operational ones upgraded.

    The Russian Navy had problems developing the new Project 677 Lada diesel-electric submarines, whereas Project 877 Paltus (Kilo class) submarines continued to age rapidly. As a result, the Navy had to order upgraded Project 636-M (Kilo class) submarines once again. In August 2010, the keel of a lead Project 636-M submarine was laid for the Black Sea Fleet.

    Over the next decade, the Navy will replace obsolete Paltus submarines with improved models, while continuing to upgrade the Lada submarine. The Navy is to operate four to five Ladas, as well as 9-12 upgraded and 5-6 obsolete Paltus submarines.

    Renovating the warship fleet

    The Russian Navy is in critical condition. Nowhere is this truer than in its warship fleet.

    The Russian warship fleet has become obsolete and needs to be completely replaced because it did not receive even the meager replacements and allocations given to the submarine fleet in the past 20 years.

    The Defense Ministry has shown a preference for the cautious but probably correct strategy of renovating the warship fleet from the bottom up. This involves the construction of small and relatively cheap warships, which will eventually be followed by larger, more sophisticated and expensive ships.

    A Project 20380 Steregushchy class corvette is the first production warship to enter service with an overhauled Navy. The lead ship has already been commissioned. One more has been launched, and three more are under construction.

    Moreover, construction has begun on ocean-going warships, namely, Project 22350 Admiral Sergei Gorshkov frigates.

    These are the first post-Soviet capital warships. Once this ship-building program got underway, it became obvious that these sophisticated and expensive ships would delay the fleet's renovation.

    Consequently, it was decided to expedite the process and to begin construction on the Project 11356 Talwar class frigates, which are on a par with the new warships. Russia has already built several such ships for the Indian Navy.

    These frigates should have the same interchangeable components - including equipment and main weapons systems - as next-generation warships. Eight next-generation frigates, as well as the same number of Project 11356 warships, are to be commissioned in the next ten years.

    The Russian Navy is to receive 30 frigates and 30 corvettes in the next 20 years.

    Frigates will be followed by even larger warships. It is no secret that Russia has almost finished designing a next-generation destroyer, with a displacement of 10,000 metric tons. The new warship is to be equipped with standard launchers, a standard information-and-control system and other interchangeable equipment.

    Corvettes, frigates and next-generation destroyers will form the backbone of the Navy's warship fleet in the next 20-30 years.

    Without these new ships, it would be pointless to buy French-made Mistral class amphibious assault ships, to build them in Russia, to overhaul and refit the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and to build other aircraft carriers.

    The views expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.

    17:23 02/11/2010
    RIA Novosti military commentator Ilya Kramnik

    http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20101102/161183586.html

    So they are standardising hulls, propulsion, weapons, sensors, etc etc. That should be a huge improvement...
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Viktor on Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:59 pm

    I have a feeling to slow is this progress in comparison with wishes.

    To few new keels for new ships and subs is being laid on to match construction schedule by 2020.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:31 am

    That is only to be expected isn't it?

    Once they start, especially with their focus on everything all brand new and up to date, I really don't think they had an idea of how expensive it would all turn out to be.

    They are used to cheap knock down prices for military stuff and you can do that if you neglect the factories and most stuff is hand made, but factory robots are not cheap, and new high tech stuff is not cheap either... especially when you are buying licences to produce as well.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  runaway on Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:35 pm

    MEDIUM-SIZE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS (HEAVY AIRCRAFT-CARRYING CRUISERS)
    On this subject we speak only about plans for the future. In 2012 Sevmash shipyard will kick off modernization of Northern Fleet's medium-size aircraft carrier (heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser) Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov. The upgraded ship will be launched in 2017. Modernization program implies total replacement of weapons and radioelectronics. The carrier's air group is expected to be increased, too. Presently, the ship is capable to accommodate 26 deck-based fighters Su-33 and MiG-29K, and 24 antisubmarine helicopters – eighteen Ka-27 or Ka-29, two Ka-27PS and four Ka-31. In the course of modernization, the carrier will be armed with shipborne version of SAM system Pantsir.


    CRUISERS

    Admiral Nakhimov. RusNavy.com All currently laid up Orlan class nuclear-powered missile cruisers (Project 11442) will be re-commissioned into the Navy till 2020. Cruisers Admiral Nakhimov, Admiral Lazarev, and Admiral Ushakov will join Russian Navy again after modernization within 10 years. Upgraded like Petr Veliky, those ships will constitute the core of Russian Navy.


    DESTROYERS
    Russia has started development of a new generation destroyer. It is planned to complete project design of the stealth ship within the next 30 months. That is going to be a multipurpose destroyer armed with advanced missile and artillery weapon systems.

    In April 2010 Severnaya Verf shipyard completed modernization of Project 1155 destroyer Vice Admiral Kulakov. Lead ship if the project had undergone general modernization and started sea trials in mid-April. Modernization works included replacement of arms systems and life support systems.

    Presently, Russian Navy has seven Project 1155 destroyers in inventory, including Admiral Tributs, Marshal Shaposhnikov, Severomorsk, Admiral Levchenko, Admiral Vinogradov, Admiral Kharlamov, Admiral Panteleev, and one destroyer build under upgraded project 11551 – Admiral Chabanenko.

    Besides, there are 7 destroyers built under Project 956 Sarych – Burnyi, Bystryi, Bezboyaznennyi, Bezuderzhnyi, Bespokoinyi, Nastoichivyi, and Besstrashnyi.


    FRIGATES
    In October 2010 Severnaya Verf shipyard will launch the lead ship of Project 22350 frigate Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov which will be commissioned in 2011. The first serial frigate of the project – Admiral Flota Kasatonov – is under construction at Severnaya Verf. The frigate is planned to join Russian Navy in 2012.


    CORVETTES

    Stereguschiy. prospekta.net.ru First serial corvette of Project 20380 – Soobrazitelny – was launched on March 31 at Severnaya Verf. Lead ship of this project, corvette Stereguschiy was commissioned into Baltic Fleet in October 2008. Navy command appraises the need of corvette class ships as 30. Soobrazitelny is the first serial ship of the project and was built just in time specified by the orderer.

    Three other corvettes of this project are in various stages of completeness at Severnaya Verf shipyard – Storozhevoi, Boiky, and Stoiky. Sea trials of corvette Soobrazitelny are scheduled in October-December 2010.

    According to Kommersant, soon Russian defense ministry will issue a tender for a project of new prospective corvette which will shift Project 20380 corvettes.



    Now thats all good news. The Kirovs are awesome ships, togehter with Mistrals they will certainly give the Japanese a scare in the pacific. The Kurils will be well defended.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:45 pm

    An upgrade to standardise equipment and sensors and weapons will greatly improve the older vessels getting upgrades.

    Even when it first sailed the Kirov class vessels carried hundreds of missiles of all types... I wonder if they will fit the new 152mm naval guns they are working on to it?
    The vessel was already fitted with vertical launchers for long range SAMs, long range anti ship missiles, and short range SAMs, so fitting the universal launchers they have developed should make the vessels much more flexible and powerful.
    They already were packed with electronics to act as carrier group leaders, but with modern electronics and sensors they will be even more capable and powerful.
    I hope they go for nuclear propulsion for the Kuznetsov and the Kirovs, some new standardised powerplant they can also use on any later carriers they might develop. I also hope they skip the steam cats and go for EM cats to AWACS aircraft for the Kuznetsov... if they were building a new rifle for the first time they wouldn't start by making a musket, so why waste effort working on steam when EM offers more benefits... including potential promise in developing EM gun technology too.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  nightcrawler on Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:00 am

    @ EM Guns
    you are thinking way long ahead
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:25 am

    Not that far really.

    Both the Soviets and the US did a lot of work on EM guns, or gauss guns, or coil guns.

    A nuclear powered cruiser would have plenty of electricity to spare, pumping a large amount of volts through a coil on a gun barrel to generate an enormous magnetic field and then creating a propellent that created a hot plasma that was ionised and could be accelerated down the barrel by a large magnetic field to increase muzzle velocity to enormous levels is not impossible, I have read the US Navy is getting pretty good results with their work on this.

    If the Russians want a state of the art military then they need to invest in these sorts of technologies.

    The technology is completely transferable from mag lev trains to electric tanks and new guns of all sizes... starting from the very large but certainly effecting small arms design in 10 years time.
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    New Destroyer Stealth type

    Post  runaway on Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:36 am

    "Russia has begun developing a new-generation destroyer for its Navy, which will be built using stealth technology, a source from the defense industry told Interfax-AVN on Thursday.

    “Research is being done now to determine the image of a new offshore maritime zone vessel, and technical documents for the project are being drawn up. This process will last about 30 months,” the source said.

    The future warship will be multifunctional, which will determine the choice of weapons for it, he said.

    “The destroyer will have a missile weapon system using universal vertical launchers to fire high-precision missiles at ground, surface, and underwater targets. The ship’s air defense will be provided by short, middle, and long-range anti-aircraft missiles,” the expert said.

    The destroyer’s artillery systems will also be universal and will be capable of firing high-precision guided projectiles at coastal and marine targets, he said.

    The vessel’s multifunctionality will also affect its electronic equipment, the expert said. “The destroyer will be equipped with a universal target detection and designation system, electronic warfare systems, and hydro-acoustic equipment to detect submarines, mines, and underwater sabotage groups,” he said.

    One of the features of the new destroyer will be a high level of environmental security, which so far is not a characteristic of Russian warships, he said."


    As this news is nearly a year old, i dont suppose there are any drawings or graphics of it?
    Presently it takes russia 3-4 years to build a frigate, how long would it take to build a larger Destroyer?

    The need for cutting production time and make room for new hull assembly is very high.
    To replace the Udaloy and Sovremneny classes, they need to build 14 new destroyers. And i dont see that is possibly in a 10 year period. Besides, frigates and corvettes need replacemnt too. Not to talk about Criusers and the build time for those...

    Nonethenless, i look forward to new info of the new Destroyer, i suppose it will bring a new look to the russian navy, a very needed one.



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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:56 pm

    Their current actions seem to suggest they are going for standardisation, which is an enormous step forward for them.

    They are also looking at overhauling older vessels for the larger hulled vessels in their fleet, which if it involves the new standardised weapons and sensors then should be a significant improvement without needing to expand their shipyard capacity too quickly.

    And thirdly they seem to be making frigates and corvettes... the former for export as well as domestic use, with brand new frigate design on hold they seem to be making modified Talwars that they are building for India.

    Eventually they will need new designs at all levels but right now they need new smaller vessels, so I agree with their direction but think their progress could be better... however I don't think things will be fixed overnight and throwing money at it is not a solution because we don't want them to expect their problems get solved with money.

    This isn't the cold war so expansion isn't urgent, but modernisation is.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  runaway on Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:15 pm

    Thanks Gary, the new Destroyer seems interesting, but not so frightening as the older ships Rolling Eyes

    Yes, standardisation is really necerssary and seems to be on the way. Also modernisation in stepping up, good.

    But i guess we`ll have to wait 4-7 years to see the new Destroyer in water. In the meantime, we can follow the launches of new subs, frigates and corvettes, and possible the return of one or two more Kirovs.
    Talking of Kirovs, i saw a picture of the Kirov as a rusty hulk, and i doubt very much it will ever be refitted and modernized.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:04 am

    Thanks Gary, the new Destroyer seems interesting, but not so frightening as the older ships

    I must admit I like the cluttered decks with sensors and weapons covering every square inch of the older vessels too. Embarassed

    But making a completely new ship hull design for every purpose made the ship optimised for the role but also made the vessel a little limited when not operating with other vessels and was also expensive.

    With modern smaller, more capable weapons the chance to make smaller vessels multirole with weapons and sensors they might look bare but they will certainly be more flexible and capable than those before them.

    Talking of Kirovs, i saw a picture of the Kirov as a rusty hulk, and i doubt very much it will ever be refitted and modernized.

    Just a bit of surface rust me thinks.

    I think there was a thread on Kirovs overhauls already, but these are magnificent vessels that I would love to see in service again. The original vessels were full of electronics so the electronic upgrade should free up a lot of space and at the same time greatly improve capabilities and performance. It was designed from the outset to have a reduced radar signature and I have talked to British Navy guys who said the best way to track a Kirov was to detect its wake because its radar signature suggests a much smaller vessel.
    It was also the first vessel to have large scale use of vertical launch missile systems... which of course improved its stealth level.

    If you look at the armament... with missiles it had 20 Granit anti ship missiles, 14 Silex anti ship/anti sub missiles, 96 SA-N-6 long range SAMs, 44 OSA point defence SAMs (replaced in later boats by 192 Klintok (TOR) point defence SAMs) 2 RBU-1000 ASW rocket launchers, 2x RBU-12000 (Udav-1) ASW rocket launchers, 2x AK-100 100 mm/L60 DP guns, 10 533 mm ASW/ASuW torpedo tubes, Type 53 torpedo or SS-N-15 ASW missile, 8x AK-630 gatling 30 mm/L60 PD guns.

    So 20 anti ship missiles and 14 anti sub missiles that could also be used against soft ship targets, and 140 SAMs.

    The question is do you keep the large AShM... perhaps a vertical launch Vulkan? Or by 2020 would you prefer a hypersonic Brahmos II? By fitting USUK bins for anti ship use you can use Brahmos or Oniks or two types of Club missile for anti ship use and Kh-101/102 or Club for land attack use, or an anti sub missile in the Club family too.
    More importantly the new SAM can quadruple the number of missiles without increasing size or weight and all are ready to launch without the complication of below deck missile handling loading equipment etc.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  runaway on Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:Just a bit of surface rust me thinks.

    And a bit of radioactiveness since the accident.

    Still, the Kirov must be a stopgap, and the other large old vessels, because the bulding time for the new destroyer is so long. Otherwise, you could pobably build 5-8 new stealth destroyers, for the same money to refitt and modernize the three old Kirovs.
    Though the Kirovs really are awesome ships, the anti-air umbrella they provide would be invalueble to any task force. And i hope they will build the new ships to complement the modernized Kirovs, not replace them.

    I just hope they can come visite sweden sometime Very Happy
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:45 am

    I think they should make the upgraded Kirovs all nukes regarding propulsion because AFAIK they had no problems at all with the nuclear propulsion component of the system.
    A compact powerful nuclear propulsion unit fitted to the Kirovs and the Kuznetsov and eventually any carriers they design in the future would be very useful in making them fuel independent.
    ATM the Kirov with its mixed propulsion could only sail at top speed for about 2,000 kms or something... and a carrier group is only as fast as its slowest member.

    Nuclear power will make them more expensive but also more capable and more flexible.
    The extra electrical power capacity might be useful for developments in all sorts of exotic potential future systems like laser defence systems and EM guns. With a full upgrade a vessel like Kirov should serve well into the 2030s and by then EM guns will likely be in service. With the power and room on a ship new artillery weapons are more likely to be deployed on a ship than on land and EM weapons will likely start as large naval guns, then smaller land based guns and finally small arms.
    The Russian Navy knows that a Kirov class ship is more use (when fully upgraded) than 4-5 smaller vessels that haven't been designed yet... and I agree they look cool, but if you want to play with carrier groups or have ships to lead groups of ships in your fleet a single Kirov type ship is more use than even 4-5 destroyers or any type.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Viktor on Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:25 am

    Severnaya Verf last day signed contract for 6 projct 22350 and 8 project 20382 worth 3.5 bin.

    This is a firs large contract in Navy after 2010 signing for 4 pieces of Krivak4 and project 636 sub for BS.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Austin on Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:41 am

    Finally the yards are getting series order which is good.

    In another news in that link navy will procure 10 Yasen SSN by 2020 so its a boost.

    RIA Novosti reported. The submarine forces of the Navy (Navy), Russia will have until 2020 to ten new multi-purpose nuclear submarines of the fourth generation type of Severodvinsk (Project 885, the code "Ash"), told RIA Novosti on Friday a senior official of the Navy Chief of Staff RF.

    This year, for service to be adopted parent submarine of this series of Severodvinsk. At the yard now build a second boat, "Kazan". Until the end of the year will set the third submarine of this project.

    "It is planned that within the next ten years we get about ten new multi-purpose submarines of the type" Severodvinsk ", - said the admiral.

    The nineteenth of March in Russia will mark the 105 th anniversary of the establishment of submarine forces of Russia.

    The agency's interlocutor said that the distinguishing feature of these submarines will be a unified system for firing nearly all types of cruise missiles from the "Onyx" to "fire". "Will they shoot missiles and ground targets at a distance of 2,500 kilometers," - he said.

    The admiral stressed that any problems with the commissioning of the submarines of this type do not. "Now there is target shooting regular weapons" - he said.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Viktor on Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:39 pm

    This thread should get sticky status.

    Finally we see revival of Russian Navy. Feeling is good.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  nightcrawler on Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:29 pm

    Vladimir good info keep it up
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    Russian 5G subs to be equipped with ballistic, cruise missiles - source

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:34 pm


    Russian 5G subs to be equipped with ballistic, cruise missiles - source

    RIA Novosti

    08:52 19/03/2011

    MOSCOW, March 19 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's proposed fifth-generation nuclear submarines will be armed with both ballistic and cruise missiles, a senior Navy source told RIA Novosti on Saturday.

    He did not specify the names of the missiles.

    Russia is planning to develop its newest fifth-generation submarine by 2020 under a 2011-2020 arms procurement program, First Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin said last month.

    Russia also plans to build eight fourth-generation strategic nuclear submarines by 2020 and equip them with Bulava submarine-launched ballistic missiles, which are expected to be put into service this year.

    Defense Ministry submitted the 19 trillion ruble ($651 billion) arms procurement spending plan for 2011-2020 to the government in December. Some 80% of the funds will be spent on buying weapons and 10% will be spent on scientific research.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2011/russia-110319-rianovosti01.htm

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  PAVN on Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:03 pm

    Guys, I have a few questions about project 22350 frigate and 20380 . How many anti-aircraft missiles these ships can carried and what type of missiles? I have heard about Shtil and S-400 but not so sure. Also, can these ships carry the naval version of Tor or Pantsir instead of Shtil and S-400 and how many missiles can they carry? Thanks
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:13 am

    PAVN wrote:Guys, I have a few questions about project 22350 frigate and 20380 . How many anti-aircraft missiles these ships can carried and what type of missiles? I have heard about Shtil and S-400 but not so sure. Also, can these ships carry the naval version of Tor or Pantsir instead of Shtil and S-400 and how many missiles can they carry? Thanks

    22350 is just a Russian version of Talwar, instead of Brahmos it has Yakhont. SAM is one 3S-90 launcher for 24 9M317 and two Kashtan modules. 20380 only has Kashtan.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  PAVN on Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:25 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    PAVN wrote:Guys, I have a few questions about project 22350 frigate and 20380 . How many anti-aircraft missiles these ships can carried and what type of missiles? I have heard about Shtil and S-400 but not so sure. Also, can these ships carry the naval version of Tor or Pantsir instead of Shtil and S-400 and how many missiles can they carry? Thanks

    22350 is just a Russian version of Talwar, instead of Brahmos it has Yakhont. SAM is one 3S-90 launcher for 24 9M317 and two Kashtan modules. 20380 only has Kashtan.
    I remember reading in the past that the 2nd project 22350 can carry 32 9M96E missiles and the 2nd project 20380 can carry Shtil. I guess I was wrong then Neutral

    Btw, for project 22350, can 24 9M317 missiles be replaced by the navalized version of Tor or Pantsir?

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