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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:17 pm


    "NEW MAP: Military situation at #Syria - #Iraq border. #SAA launched an attack towards T2 pumping station. "

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/877862240816332801/photo/1
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  calm on Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:28 pm

    ^
    SAA managed to advance ~7 KM east of T3 Station after fierce clashes with ISIS



    SAA controls all points of Tal Ghurab in #BadiaAlSham;
    Americans to withdraw from Zakaf to #Tanf soon or late




    Here, acc to watanisy, and those zionists again . lol1
    army in top of Jabal al Ghurab , 60 km away from zionists base
    https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/877877935541174272

    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.997600&lon=38.691959&z=14&m=b




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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:32 pm

    The US military need to be harrased with Tiny spy drones ,make them waste expensive missiles thousands of dollars missiles to counter a $100 dollar drone . they will not know which one is armed or not and will force them to use missiles to shut down them. The Syrian army and its allies need to use the same tactics of Hyenas vs Lion.. they group in numbers and harass the lion from all sides. lol1  this create confusion and unpredictability and insecurity on the Lion and for being overwhelmed the Lion just pack and leave.. a tactic similar needs to be employed.

    But Russian combat planes will have to help to harass too US airforce. with numbers,
    However i think Syria needs to first secure other fronts ,first ,like the south.  Syria will need to pull a lot of IRAQ soldiers into its own country. This will create a situation were americans will need to bomb also IRAQ army ,and since Americans have a military base in IRAQ , this put at
    risk their own base in IRAQ.. If Russia could manage to pull a major win ,in diplomacy with Jordan , they could actually allow Syria to close the border ..and demand  US forces to leave their air base.. but such diplomacy will be too hard to believe. But definitively IRAQ army is the key for the full liberation of Syria fast. I will just delay Mosul offensive ,just encircle them there ,and relocate the forces to Syria.. and then IRAN troops using IRaqui uniforms ,can cover IRAQ soldiers who leave to help Syria. Americans are playing games , Russia and Syria and IRAQ should play games too.  If i was Assad ,i will made a deal with Kurds to help them clear all its territory in the south  in change Assad will allow Kurds to stay with full autonomy east of eufrates .So that Syria can use in some zones Kurds as shields to block US airforce from bombing them. thats the way to counter US in Syria with games too.

    in summary .. since Americans are using Kurds as shield for their forces. Syria and Russia
    can play those games too. Syria need to create an alliance of Syrian soldier, IRAQuis ,and if possible with Kurds too and Egyptian forces  , which Americans needs to have good relations. and use lots of cheaps spy drones to harrass american soldiers make them feel insecure. at night. This will create a psicological war on their forces knowing a bomb can fell over their heads and is not safe.

    In any case , Iraqui army is the key.. it needs to get as many thousands as possible and help Syria to clear the eastern syrian desert. Iran in change can use its soldiers to liberate mosul instead , fight in IRAQ to replace the soldiers helping Assad.. Team work and create major alliances is the key.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  zorobabel on Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:08 pm

    Lots of rumors swirling about a major agreement in Daraa between various parties including Russia, Syria, Jordan, and non-al-Qaeda rebels.

    Starting to feel we might be close to some kind of major settlement. Who knows.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  Militarov on Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:32 pm

    lycantrop wrote:to take with a grain of salt...

    U.S. EQ-4 GLOBAL HAWK SHOT DOWN BY RUSSIAN S-300 OVER MEDITERANEAN SEA

    http://halturnershow.com/index.php/news/world-news/655-breaking-russia-fires-s-300-out-over-mediterranean

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/11755/u-s-air-force-global-hawk-drone-crashes-in-california
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  auslander on Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:45 pm

    Odd. About the same time there were reports that S300 missiles were clearly seen launching from Syria, Uncle Sam reported a same basic type of drone crashed in California. I don't believe in coincidence. That little deal and other informations indicate to me that Mother shot down a very large and expensive C&C drone off the Syrian coast.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:58 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    lycantrop wrote:to take with a grain of salt...

    U.S. EQ-4 GLOBAL HAWK SHOT DOWN BY RUSSIAN S-300 OVER MEDITERANEAN SEA

    http://halturnershow.com/index.php/news/world-news/655-breaking-russia-fires-s-300-out-over-mediterranean

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/11755/u-s-air-force-global-hawk-drone-crashes-in-california

    The S300's did fire towards the Med that is fact We were denied an airstrike since all coalition aircraft retreated out of the airspace during this time.

    They shot something down, I cannot confirm it was the Global Hawk but the drone that crashed in Cally was not a Global Hawk.

    This would not be the first time my country denied one of our aircraft got shot down when they did, so I would not be shocked if this is the case.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:16 pm


    ^ ^ ^
    Yep, kinda reminds me of '99. There was a big surge in military aircraft accidents and crashes worldwide during that period.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  eehnie on Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:25 pm

    It seems the propagandists enjoy not with the news of Russia enforcing the No Fly Zone.

    EQ-4 Global Hawk

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    US $222.7M (with R&D)[1]

    [1] http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/653379.pdf
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  auslander on Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ^ ^ ^
    Yep, kinda reminds me of '99. There was a big surge in military aircraft accidents and crashes worldwide during that period.

    Yeah, and the scrap yards in your neck of the woods were suddenly full of some rather exotic metals and other materials. I have not forgotten about several train accidents in your AO, either. And I never will. The day will come when our sons if nothing else pour a couple liters of good beer on the graves of those who did those crimes.....after straining the beer through their kidneys of course.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:06 pm

    Just to laugh a little, ,How many 0 is there between the "0, ..." and the "001" in the RCS of the global "shit" claimed by US marketing ?? Very Happy Laughing
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  arpakola on Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:46 pm

    РФ ведет переговоры о вводе войск Казахстана и Киргизии в Сирию
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3497593.html

    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/22/06/2017/594bdbe79a7947172df6e0dd?from=newsfeed - цинк


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:31 pm


    This is supposed to be significant but I cannot into maps...

    army control wadi al-lawayzah near iraqi border toward south al-bukamal / deir ez-zor

    https://mobile.twitter.com/watanisy/status/877961023373717504



    #Saa controls the #Dahr_abah East of the #Arak oilfield Eastern Homs countryside by @MIG29_ by @hamza_780

    https://mobile.twitter.com/hamza_780/status/877926927830593536

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  par far on Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:44 pm

    "Syrian Army Launches an New Operation To Control Athria – Resafa Road."





    https://southfront.org/syrian-army-launches-new-operation-control-athria-resafa-road/



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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:08 pm

    Letters of assurances being sent around. Yeah right....Turks should proceed.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa-idUKKBN19D10P?il=0



    Kurds will not allow Russia in their territory, if Russia stays silent or joins Syrian-Turkish attack on #Efrin

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877956749910822913

    Is that a thin veiled threat....sounds like one, reads like one.... "protect us or else"..... how about NO.

    #Efrin journalist Jihad Abdo says there is an embargo by all sides on Efrin: Assad, Nusra, FSA, & Turkey.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877945654886019072

    Syrian Kurdish officials start campaign #SAVEAFRIN on social media.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877957065754292224
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  eehnie on Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:40 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:Letters of assurances being sent around. Yeah right....Turks should proceed.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa-idUKKBN19D10P?il=0



    Kurds will not allow Russia in their territory, if Russia stays silent or joins Syrian-Turkish attack on #Efrin

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877956749910822913

    Is that a thin veiled threat....sounds like one, reads like one.... "protect us or else"..... how about NO.

    #Efrin journalist Jihad Abdo says there is an embargo by all sides on Efrin: Assad, Nusra, FSA, & Turkey.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877945654886019072

    Syrian Kurdish officials start campaign #SAVEAFRIN on social media.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877957065754292224

    Propaganda.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:00 am

    eehnie wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:Letters of assurances being sent around. Yeah right....Turks should proceed.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa-idUKKBN19D10P?il=0



    Kurds will not allow Russia in their territory, if Russia stays silent or joins Syrian-Turkish attack on #Efrin

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877956749910822913

    Is that a thin veiled threat....sounds like one, reads like one.... "protect us or else"..... how about NO.

    #Efrin journalist Jihad Abdo says there is an embargo by all sides on Efrin: Assad, Nusra, FSA, & Turkey.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877945654886019072

    Syrian Kurdish officials start campaign #SAVEAFRIN on social media.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877957065754292224

    Propaganda.

    Notwithstanding the fact that anything you disagree with you call propaganda...

    May I ask. Propaganda by whom?
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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC8rkn7XgAMtHBp.jpg:large

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-22/kurdish-oil-appears-bound-for-u-s-again-after-three-year-pause

    http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/220620175

    This clown wouldn't even be able to find the word referendum in his vocabulary if not for the fact that the U.S gave the OK and is currently supporting such thing. The hard part is out of the way for the Kurds per say...now they have to sell the product to willing buyers, like the E.U and dumb buyers duped by any promises that hold no water in this world - Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Russia.

    "God given right"....that salesmanship.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  eehnie on Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:12 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:Letters of assurances being sent around. Yeah right....Turks should proceed.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa-idUKKBN19D10P?il=0



    Kurds will not allow Russia in their territory, if Russia stays silent or joins Syrian-Turkish attack on #Efrin

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877956749910822913

    Is that a thin veiled threat....sounds like one, reads like one.... "protect us or else"..... how about NO.

    #Efrin journalist Jihad Abdo says there is an embargo by all sides on Efrin: Assad, Nusra, FSA, & Turkey.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877945654886019072

    Syrian Kurdish officials start campaign #SAVEAFRIN on social media.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877957065754292224

    Propaganda.

    Notwithstanding the fact that anything you disagree with you call propaganda...

    May I ask. Propaganda by whom?
    =====================================
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC8rkn7XgAMtHBp.jpg:large

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-22/kurdish-oil-appears-bound-for-u-s-again-after-three-year-pause

    http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/220620175

    This clown wouldn't even be able to find the word referendum in his vocabulary if not for the fact that the U.S gave the OK and is currently supporting such thing. The hard part is out of the way for the Kurds per say...now they have to sell the product to willing buyers, like the E.U and dumb buyers duped by any promises that hold no water in this world - Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Russia.

    "God given right"....that salesmanship.

    There is not doubt that the Turks want this attack, but this is only propaganda because goes not in line with what Russia, Syria and their allies have been doing in relation with the Kurds.

    Obviously there is a lot of intoxication to provoke a war of Russia and their allies with the Kurds, but is failling. The goal of the intoxication is to burn every option of good understanding of the Kurds with Russia and their allies. Interested on it? US, Israel, Turkey,...

    What can do the Kurds to Russia that has not done the Turks before? To allow to the US to put nuclear weapons in the Kurd territory targeting Russia? Sorry but the now "cool" Turks did it before, and keep doing it. There is not a serious reason from a sincere pro-Russian thinking by this way. The serious pro-Russian people blame not the Kurds by what they have not done, and pardon not the Turks as easily with what they have done.

    There are other reasons under all this propaganda. It is obvious for me and for all without other interests.


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:14 am

    eehnie wrote:Obviously there is a lot of intoxication to provoke a war of Russia and their allies with the Kurds.......

    Intoxicaton intensifies...  Cool

    Iranian envoy to Ankara confirms Tehran considers PYD, YPG terrorists

    https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2017/06/23/iranian-envoy-to-ankara-confirms-tehran-considers-pyd-ypg-terrorists



    ATLASCUB wrote:.......
    Kurds will not allow Russia in their territory, if Russia stays silent or joins Syrian-Turkish attack on #Efrin

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877956749910822913

    Is that a thin veiled threat....sounds like one, reads like one.... "protect us or else"..... how about NO.
    ..........

    After latest Kurdish little escapade in Resafa and Deir ez Zorr in general answer should be resounding "F*CK NO"

    I know that the whole thing was not entirely their idea but they should have had enough brain cells to tell Uncle Sam that there are some reasonable limits to everything.

    If they want Russia to get them out of this particular grave they dug for themselves then they better start making some exceptionally generous offers really soon because I don't think that recent influx of Saudi cash is anywhere enough to save them.


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  calm on Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:23 am

    Turkey is trying to attack Kurds for months now. Last time jihadists got wiped out by Kurds, and paraded through streets.
    Kurds with no way to retreat, will break the heads of invading Idbilstan and north Alepo Erdoganistan juhadist, that is for shure.

    Only if Turkey army attack, maybe then they will acomplish something. There are something like 10/20k armed Kurds there.

    Erdogan cant keep his own hordes of darknes calm in north Alepo Erdoganistan, they are clashing with each other in Al Bab, Jarabus and Azaz every week, so now they will got some sectarian clash, to cam a bit down.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  par far on Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 am

    I do not know how they are going to do this but this is what the US is saying:(this is Zionist source so take it with a grain of salt.)


    "U.S. will take weapons from Kurds after Islamic State defeat: Turkey."

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa-idUSKBN19D10J






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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  par far on Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:04 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:Letters of assurances being sent around. Yeah right....Turks should proceed.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa-idUKKBN19D10P?il=0



    Kurds will not allow Russia in their territory, if Russia stays silent or joins Syrian-Turkish attack on #Efrin

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877956749910822913

    Is that a thin veiled threat....sounds like one, reads like one.... "protect us or else"..... how about NO.

    #Efrin journalist Jihad Abdo says there is an embargo by all sides on Efrin: Assad, Nusra, FSA, & Turkey.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877945654886019072

    Syrian Kurdish officials start campaign #SAVEAFRIN on social media.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877957065754292224


    Really wish the Turks would go with this, the Turkish Special Forces should help with this, the Kurds are going to become a problem for Russia, the SAA and allies.

    Turks are sucking up to Russia, so they can get the Kurds.

    "Turkey And Russia Can Jointly Deploy Troops Syria’s Idlib Province – Turksih Presidential Spokesman."

    https://southfront.org/turkey-russia-can-jointly-deploy-troops-syrias-idlib-province-turksih-presidential-spokesman/


    There maybe fraction between the Turks and the Saudis over Kurds.



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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  eehnie on Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:13 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:Obviously there is a lot of intoxication to provoke a war of Russia and their allies with the Kurds.......

    Intoxicaton intensifies...  Cool

    Said by one intoxicator. I have not doubt.

    But despite it, Russia knows well who deserves retaliation, as proved with the No Fly Zone

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    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:27 am

    eehnie wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:Letters of assurances being sent around. Yeah right....Turks should proceed.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa-idUKKBN19D10P?il=0



    Kurds will not allow Russia in their territory, if Russia stays silent or joins Syrian-Turkish attack on #Efrin

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877956749910822913

    Is that a thin veiled threat....sounds like one, reads like one.... "protect us or else"..... how about NO.

    #Efrin journalist Jihad Abdo says there is an embargo by all sides on Efrin: Assad, Nusra, FSA, & Turkey.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877945654886019072

    Syrian Kurdish officials start campaign #SAVEAFRIN on social media.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877957065754292224

    Propaganda.

    Notwithstanding the fact that anything you disagree with you call propaganda...

    May I ask. Propaganda by whom?
    =====================================
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC8rkn7XgAMtHBp.jpg:large

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-22/kurdish-oil-appears-bound-for-u-s-again-after-three-year-pause

    http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/220620175

    This clown wouldn't even be able to find the word referendum in his vocabulary if not for the fact that the U.S gave the OK and is currently supporting such thing. The hard part is out of the way for the Kurds per say...now they have to sell the product to willing buyers, like the E.U and dumb buyers duped by any promises that hold no water in this world - Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Russia.

    "God given right"....that salesmanship.

    There is not doubt that the Turks want this attack, but this is only propaganda because goes not in line with what Russia, Syria and their allies have been doing in relation with the Kurds.

    Obviously there is a lot of intoxication to provoke a war of Russia and their allies with the Kurds, but is failling. The goal of the intoxication is to burn every option of good understanding of the Kurds with Russia and their allies. Interested on it? US, Israel, Turkey,...

    What can do the Kurds to Russia that has not done the Turks before? To allow to the US to put nuclear weapons in the Kurd territory targeting Russia? Sorry but the now "cool" Turks did it before, and keep doing it. There is not a serious reason from a sincere pro-Russian thinking by this way. The serious pro-Russian people blame not the Kurds by what they have not done, and pardon not the Turks as easily with what they have done.

    There are other reasons under all this propaganda. It is obvious for me and for all without other interests.

    The only reason that's not the case is first and foremost because the Kurds are not an independent state and, unlike whatever it might seem to you - they don't formulate foreign policy in the territories they reside - at least not an important decision like that one. If you think for a second that in the pecking order for the Kurds Russia is above U.S.A you're clearly a fool - and I hate to use that word for civil discussion. Who cares if the Kurds get pissed with Russia? The players that shouldn't get pissed with Russia for failing to act and containing the U.S w/ the pro-Kurdistan push are Iraq, Syria, Iran and to a lesser extent Turkey (to build stronger ties - baby steps). Why in hell should Russia bend over for the Kurds leadership (a rat tag group of nobodies and opportunist of strife caused by the U.S) and go contrary to the legitimate interest of established states to please/protect the Kurds. According to your logic, Russia must do this so that one day, IF the Kurds get an indepedant state, the Kurds, out of generosity and friendship, will decide not to host U.S bases and missile shields in their territory to please Russia. I mean the fuck? Moreover It has worked out well in Eastern Europe. Give me a break. What you do is you prevent the Kurds from ever getting their own state and you don't have to deal with the "what ifs" nor worry about future developments 20-30 years from now in that regard. Moods change with the wind my friend. Today we're friends, tomorrow we're enemies - just the way it's. If a Kurdistan ever exists, it will be the result, in large part, of U.S hemorrhaging the region and wanting it to exist (and the failure and weakness of other states in preventing it)....not because the Kurd's struggle was this massive upheaval of a Kurdish identity in the Middle East. The plans are clear to everyone and appeasement and diplomatic support by the Russians will only further this agenda of theirs.

    Every time Putin speaks about the Kurds he says a lot of nothing and refers to international law as his diplomatic scapegoat tactic - the law that says the legitimate government of the country decides whatever the fuck they want. None of the states with Kurds want a Kurdistan. So that's that.

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:Obviously there is a lot of intoxication to provoke a war of Russia and their allies with the Kurds.......

    Intoxicaton intensifies...  Cool

    Iranian envoy to Ankara confirms Tehran considers PYD, YPG terrorists

    https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2017/06/23/iranian-envoy-to-ankara-confirms-tehran-considers-pyd-ypg-terrorists


    The Kurd leadership ran their mouth about not going to allow the Iranian corridor (to do/please their U.S master/Saudi's new found love/Israel's friendship). That is their reward - and more to come. Can't go to bed with the devil and expect to be seen as an angel. Everyone, ultimately, picks a side.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #13

    Post  eehnie on Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:17 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:Letters of assurances being sent around. Yeah right....Turks should proceed.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa-idUKKBN19D10P?il=0



    Kurds will not allow Russia in their territory, if Russia stays silent or joins Syrian-Turkish attack on #Efrin

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877956749910822913

    Is that a thin veiled threat....sounds like one, reads like one.... "protect us or else"..... how about NO.

    #Efrin journalist Jihad Abdo says there is an embargo by all sides on Efrin: Assad, Nusra, FSA, & Turkey.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877945654886019072

    Syrian Kurdish officials start campaign #SAVEAFRIN on social media.

    https://twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/877957065754292224

    Propaganda.

    Notwithstanding the fact that anything you disagree with you call propaganda...

    May I ask. Propaganda by whom?
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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC8rkn7XgAMtHBp.jpg:large

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-22/kurdish-oil-appears-bound-for-u-s-again-after-three-year-pause

    http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/220620175

    This clown wouldn't even be able to find the word referendum in his vocabulary if not for the fact that the U.S gave the OK and is currently supporting such thing. The hard part is out of the way for the Kurds per say...now they have to sell the product to willing buyers, like the E.U and dumb buyers duped by any promises that hold no water in this world - Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Russia.

    "God given right"....that salesmanship.

    There is not doubt that the Turks want this attack, but this is only propaganda because goes not in line with what Russia, Syria and their allies have been doing in relation with the Kurds.

    Obviously there is a lot of intoxication to provoke a war of Russia and their allies with the Kurds, but is failling. The goal of the intoxication is to burn every option of good understanding of the Kurds with Russia and their allies. Interested on it? US, Israel, Turkey,...

    What can do the Kurds to Russia that has not done the Turks before? To allow to the US to put nuclear weapons in the Kurd territory targeting Russia? Sorry but the now "cool" Turks did it before, and keep doing it. There is not a serious reason from a sincere pro-Russian thinking by this way. The serious pro-Russian people blame not the Kurds by what they have not done, and pardon not the Turks as easily with what they have done.

    There are other reasons under all this propaganda. It is obvious for me and for all without other interests.

    The only reason that's not the case is first and foremost because the Kurds are not an independent state and, unlike whatever it might seem to you - they don't formulate foreign policy in the territories they reside - at least not an important decision like that one. If you think for a second that in the pecking order for the Kurds Russia is above U.S.A you're clearly a fool - and I hate to use that word for civil discussion. Who cares if the Kurds get pissed with Russia? The players that shouldn't get pissed with Russia for failing to act and containing the U.S w/ the pro-Kurdistan push are Iraq, Syria, Iran and to a lesser extent Turkey (to build stronger ties - baby steps). Why in hell should Russia bend over for the Kurds and go contrary to the legitimate interest of other established states to please the Kurds so that one day, IF the Kurds get an indepedant state, the Kurds, out of generosity and friendship, will decide not to host U.S bases and missile shields in their territory to please Russia. It has worked out well in Eastern Europe. Give me a fucking break. What you do is you prevent the Kurds from ever getting their own state and you don't have to deal with the "what ifs" nor worry about future developments 20-30 years from now in that regard. Moods change with the wind my friend. Today we're friends, tomorrow we're enemies - just the way it's. If a Kurdistan ever exist, it will be the result, in large part, of U.S hemorrhaging the region and wanting it to exist....not because the Kurd's struggle was this massive upheaval of a Kurdish identity in the Middle East. The plans are clear to everyone and appeasement and diplomatic support by the Russians will only further this agenda of theirs.

    Every time Putin speaks about the Kurds he says a lot of nothing and refers to international law as his diplomatic scapegoat tactic - the law that says the legitimate government of the country decides whatever the fuck they want. None of the states with Kurds want a Kurdistan. So that's that.

    Your current tolerance with Turkey and intolerance with the Kurds is not well balanced, and is not rational, is not based in the reality of the facts.


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