Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    Syrian War: News #13

    KiloGolf
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2509
    Points : 2501
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:32 pm

    Much better:

    Syrian Army, Allies Setting Up Fortifications At Iraqi Border, North Of At Tanf




    calm
    calm

    Posts : 1484
    Points : 1486
    Join date : 2015-12-19
    Location : Serbia

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  calm on Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:06 pm

    SAA General Command: 1st phase of desert offensive has liberated 20,000km2 & reached Iraqi border, warns against more Coalition aggression

    https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/873501060949721088
    nomadski
    nomadski

    Posts : 607
    Points : 609
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  nomadski on Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:23 pm


    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=akinakes+photo&prmd=ivmn&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&fir=M_ecoNsJ8haHSM%253A%252Ccve_7dVwjvaXnM%252C_%253BvNvIgwzHY0wa0M%253A%252CK7rZJcyh2IjntM%252C_%253BBlCN5rUbAdI-fM%253A%252CGc0EjF46MFtyIM%252C_%253BYxdgP7ko8qJJoM%253A%252CaQijkidj_rsSQM%252C_%253By_TRUts4M9DzTM%253A%252C7JwuaRNNZ6O3GM%252C_%253B77Y2dluSlQQWVM%253A%252C_6TaJBWPDFc9WM%252C_%253BGT_D2f2zsRSXQM%253A%252CayfSO5qs_mHc0M%252C_%253BoloqH0P6gNpKZM%253A%252C6IWcb340zbLGbM%252C_%253B_9uc9DcADXdYWM%253A%252CDZt9vm8nkKuOqM%252C_%253Bcqh1ulS7gYDTKM%253A%252C1Ezt7EpDYhEQ8M%252C_%253B7-Nat6JLyyjdNM%253A%252CPcXFlG_Wm0wNyM%252C_&usg=__qZLhk6PK60MOaYhbKcAaipmvp-c%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4g7OxsLPUAhXCfFAKHZhuD8IQ7AkIOQ&biw=533&bih=320#imgrc=M_ecoNsJ8haHSM:&spf=1497101327706

    @par far

    What is VKS ? Pardon my ignorance . If enemy has air superiority . Then you allow them to use this advantage against you ? Firing an AA missile from UCAV . Is well and good . It shows intention . Without anyone getting killed . But if attacks continue from air , then what ?

    Then close in at lighting speed against ground troops . And deny enemy air superiority . Mix and mingle with their troops on the ground at close quarters . Iranians invented the AKINAKAS . Short sword . Grand father of the Roman Gladius .

    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon

    Posts : 8376
    Points : 8460
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:50 pm


    @nomadski

    VKS is Russian acronym for Aerospace Forces



    Map by Peto:
    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB8xNFIXUAAk8vk


    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB9mmM-XoAMRCZe
    avatar
    par far

    Posts : 1826
    Points : 2001
    Join date : 2014-06-26

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  par far on Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:17 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    @nomadski

    VKS is Russian acronym for Aerospace Forces



    Map by Peto:
    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB8xNFIXUAAk8vk


    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB9mmM-XoAMRCZe


    According to that map by Peto, the PMU on Iraqi side has not yet reached the border, which can be very dangerous, the SAA forces from the Syrian should push from their side, while the PMU pushes from the Iraqi side
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 6656
    Points : 6723
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:47 pm

    The US still digging in, perhaps building the future Kurdistan International Airport, mind you it doesn't look much like an airstrip to me.

    #UnitedStates airbase still under constriction, 35 km south of Kobani, #Syria Imagety: 06 May 2017

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB9bEOdWAAASEcS
    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB9bEM8XYAAAGtE

    Also second USMC artillery base close to Raqqa

    Samir‏ @obretix 1h1 hour ago
    Replying to @obretix

    second USMC artillery base set up later (between 8 and 18 May 2017) ~6 km to the north http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.015782&lon=38.591366&z=14&m=b … h/t @GerardsScw


    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB91FV7XgAAbdPu
    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB91G5YXgAMYEHo

    Reminder of the probable first, further away from Raqqa

    Samir‏ @obretix 2h2 hours ago

    possible artillery position of US Marines ~15km north of Tabqa (17 May  2017) set up there between 19-29 March 2017 http://wikimapia.org/#lat=35.965989&lon=38.562012&z=14&m=b …


    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB9vKVlWsAIovA7
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 6656
    Points : 6723
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:54 pm

    Maybe from the gun emplacements shown above

    Yusha Yuseef‏ 3h3 hours ago

    West Raqqa CS : U.S Led Coalition fired warning shots toward SAA to prevent them from advancing into SDF areas

    eehnie
    eehnie

    Posts : 2476
    Points : 2487
    Join date : 2015-05-13

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  eehnie on Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:43 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Much better:

    Syrian Army, Allies Setting Up Fortifications At Iraqi Border, North Of At Tanf


    It would be very interesting for Syria to have there AT-T based engineering vehicles. Likely going to Syria.
    avatar
    Guest
    Guest

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  Guest on Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:02 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Vann

    No they have all the manpower they need.

    The SAA including all combat formations has around 130k men. They should be getting 20k more-ish in the next few months.


    They have nowhere even remotely near 130k.

    Was a typo hit the 1 key by accident, only now just noticed it.

    Ah, figures. Tho they are probably abit higher than 30k atm. Not much but abit.

    No way.  The areas held by Assad have population in the millions.  They can and probably have more soldiers than you guys are claiming.  Hell, Novorussian forces have more soldiers than that and their population overall is much smaller.

    Official Syrian sources claimed 35.000 men in Army in mid 2016. So no.
    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon

    Posts : 8376
    Points : 8460
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:04 pm


    Looks like SAA is within reach of Arak:


    4 Km only to Arak Field East Homs Syrian Mod

    https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/873594415943745542


    army is in outskirts of arak field

    https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/873602399763648512




    KiloGolf
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2509
    Points : 2501
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:24 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like SAA is within reach of Arak:


    4 Km only to Arak Field East Homs Syrian Mod

    https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/873594415943745542


    army is in outskirts of arak field

    https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/873602399763648512







    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB-49xCW0AEzu--

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB-3u8oXYAAnemf
    @Suriyak‏ @Suriyakmaps  12 minutes ago

    #Homs #SAA liberated Al Talila reserve & have reached outskirts of #Arak Gas Fields. #RoadToArak pic.twitter.com/KsitZiWPy4

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 W6iKu0z
    Vasto‏ @v4st0 2 minutes ago

    Eastern #Homs: Government forces reached outskirts of the Arak gas field. HD MAP: https://i.imgur.com/w6iKu0z.jpg pic.twitter.com/kqav1uY4XH

    BKP
    BKP

    Posts : 462
    Points : 471
    Join date : 2015-05-02

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  BKP on Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:42 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    The way I see it; Americans have been very successful in Syria, just not on all objectives. Dream scenario they didn't get but they can settle on #1: destroying Syria #2: Delaying/preventing geopolitical Iranian led axis from "domino'ing" the region in peace, #3: Slicing Syria and getting a proxy semi-state with the Kurds - which is obviously one of their present goals....

    We'll see how successful they're once the Kurds issue gets settled once and for all.

    ===============
    .


    The ultimate goal ,in Syria is not Assad or Syria and not even IRAN. But Putin and Russia.

    The Americans major goals.
    1)Over Run Syria   To create a pipeline to Europe from Qatar
     passing through Syria to bypass Gazprom. In other words. it was  
    to sabotage Russia energy business with Europe. and weaken Russia more.
    or said in other words Sabotage of Russia economy.
    2)Grind Russia army in Syria as CIA did in Afganistan. create a trap
    were Russia sends a big army and they lose thousands of soldiers
    with Americans providing Stinger missiles to the terrorist and javelines to
    destroy T-90. After 3-5 years of loses , thousands soldiers killed and Russia
    spending a fortune in Syria to defend them , this is an addition to sanctions and oil prices war.
    Will had destroy Putin popularity , with major cities unrest and major economy problems ,
    making it easier for Americans to provoke major protest ,to end the war and Putin to resign.
    this will only make things easier for NATO to provoke a civil war after thousands soldiers killed and economy bad. not only for Syria but Ukraine too.
    3)Provoke a war between Turkey and Russia  ,a full scale one. This could cause Russia
    military base over run by Turkey and Russian soldiers killed and arrested and S-400 also taken
    or worse a warship destroyed. Russia will have beaten Turkey but not before losing thousands of more soldiers and Russia image and economy destroyed.
    4)And once Syria over Run by ISIS, over Run IRAQ too ,take the oil fields and Gas , to finance
    an ISIS army of millions and later send them to fight Russia through Ukraine borders. Losing Syria for Russia will have been a major morale booster for terrorist all over the world . and allowed ISIS to get a million man army ,trained by NATO and to fight Russia on its borders.
    5)Bonuses could have been hezbolah and then Invade IRAN ,once Russia weakened and retreat from Syria after too much losses and being unable to continue financing the war.

    So the Syrian war is nothing more than a NATO proxy war against Russia , nothing more and nothing else. and Turkey and ISrael with their own goals too , Turkey steal land ,and Israel take down hezbolah and block IRAN from entering Syria by blocking Turkey border. The War with IRAN is all about taking its oil fields and NATO access to caspian sea to threaten Russia nation security.

    So from the point of view of Russia ,they won and American lost ,if things continue in the same way and nothing new dramatically happens ,like a NATO invasion or ISrael -Jordan invasion or another Turkey backstab.  


    Lol, have to say I broadly agree with much of this. Although I'd go one step further and say that what's happening is that we are very much in WW3 right now. But, due to the circumstances of these times, that is just not openly declared or widely recognized as such. Broadly, the war is between the globalists and the national sovereigntists. Much of the world has already been conquered by the globalists, including (pretty much) the USA. Regardless of what they might believe, the US armed forces are the vanguard of the globalists, not the American people. However, there are a few stalwart holdouts remaining among the sovereigntists, notably Russia, which, due to it's power, is enemy #1 and the main target of the globalists.

    The formalization of America's conquest by the globalists was nearly accomplished via passage of the TPP. Trump did one (and probably only one) valuable thing so far in office, and that was to terminate the TPP. But, you can believe that it will be back, perhaps by some other name.

    Once that happens, then the well-known Adbusters parody of the US flag (below) will no longer be a satiric representation of de-facto circumstances, but an accurate, literal emblem of formal, legal reality. Then, we in America will truly be living as serfs in a corporate fiefdom, enjoying no more political rights or power than the corporate board rooms see fit (absolutely none, in other words). This is the system they are actively seeking to spread world-wide using any and all means at their disposal, including war, brainwashing and terrorism. The war in Syria is ultimately one front in this tectonic, global war that is unfolding right now.

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 FwmPQdy
    avatar
    ATLASCUB

    Posts : 600
    Points : 610
    Join date : 2017-02-13

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  ATLASCUB on Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:10 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    The way I see it; Americans have been very successful in Syria, just not on all objectives. Dream scenario they didn't get but they can settle on #1: destroying Syria #2: Delaying/preventing geopolitical Iranian led axis from "domino'ing" the region in peace, #3: Slicing Syria and getting a proxy semi-state with the Kurds - which is obviously one of their present goals....

    We'll see how successful they're once the Kurds issue gets settled once and for all.

    ===============
    .


    The ultimate goal ,in Syria is not Assad or Syria and not even IRAN. But Putin and Russia.

    The Americans major goals.
    1)Over Run Syria   To create a pipeline to Europe from Qatar
     passing through Syria to bypass Gazprom. In other words. it was  
    to sabotage Russia energy business with Europe. and weaken Russia more.
    or said in other words Sabotage of Russia economy.
    2)Grind Russia army in Syria as CIA did in Afganistan. create a trap
    were Russia sends a big army and they lose thousands of soldiers
    with Americans providing Stinger missiles to the terrorist and javelines to
    destroy T-90. After 3-5 years of loses , thousands soldiers killed and Russia
    spending a fortune in Syria to defend them , this is an addition to sanctions and oil prices war.
    Will had destroy Putin popularity , with major cities unrest and major economy problems ,
    making it easier for Americans to provoke major protest ,to end the war and Putin to resign.
    this will only make things easier for NATO to provoke a civil war after thousands soldiers killed and economy bad. not only for Syria but Ukraine too.
    3)Provoke a war between Turkey and Russia  ,a full scale one. This could cause Russia
    military base over run by Turkey and Russian soldiers killed and arrested and S-400 also taken
    or worse a warship destroyed. Russia will have beaten Turkey but not before losing thousands of more soldiers and Russia image and economy destroyed.
    4)And once Syria over Run by ISIS, over Run IRAQ too ,take the oil fields and Gas , to finance
    an ISIS army of millions and later send them to fight Russia through Ukraine borders. Losing Syria for Russia will have been a major morale booster for terrorist all over the world . and allowed ISIS to get a million man army ,trained by NATO and to fight Russia on its borders.
    5)Bonuses could have been hezbolah and then Invade IRAN ,once Russia weakened and retreat from Syria after too much losses and being unable to continue financing the war.

    So the Syrian war is nothing more than a NATO proxy war against Russia , nothing more and nothing else. and Turkey and ISrael with their own goals too , Turkey steal land ,and Israel take down hezbolah and block IRAN from entering Syria by blocking Turkey border. The War with IRAN is all about taking its oil fields and NATO access to caspian sea to threaten Russia nation security.

    So from the point of view of Russia ,they won and American lost ,if things continue in the same way and nothing new dramatically happens ,like a NATO invasion or ISrael -Jordan invasion or another Turkey backstab.  

    From point of view of Syria ,it was a partial victory and partial lost. if things remain more or less the same. they did not recover all its territory but still avoided being over run. and have a chance in future to recover all with a coup on Erdogan etc.

    And the pipeline Americans wanted ,could be done now with IRAN and Qatar and Syria in the project. So it will benefit also Russia. So if for Americans Russia was the real goal.. then it was a total failure. Because putin was wise enough to only send a reduced force and do cease of fires. and reconcilation etc. and allowing those deescalation zones to be used to focus on ISIS.

    From the point of view of Israel.. lol   They won nothing. Hezbolah and IRAN more combat ready than ever. and now with a major full understanding of modern warfare of Russia. Now IRAN with attack drones and with an invaluable experience in Syria in modern combat.and Russia will provide decent military hardware to IRAN ,so it can fight like Russia did in Syria.

    From the point of view of Americans is a major short term failure ,but not a total defeat ,because they have kurds and managed to partition Syria .So they can restart the war in future. and finish the job .So is too early to call them out of the game. Only if Trump
    order an end of the war on Syria , it could be a total defeat. but they still with enough land
    and cards to play to continue the war for another 5-10 years.

    NATO will try to create a new war in the balkans to do the same of Syria ,using muslim terrorist to attack Serbia. and pull Russia to their rescue. or can still incite the war in Ukraine.

    You have the big picture...just draw some conclusions I don't agree with when coining things as "won" and "lost". Say for example, if a thief comes to you and tries to steal 50 rubles, you thwart him off in the ensuing fight but in the process 10 rubles are torn. You can claim you won yes....as the theif didn't get what it wanted but you still lost 10 rubles and you're 10 rubles poorer. I think if you work with that pov in mind you'll see winners and losers in a whole different light. Aggressor parties benefit from chaos.....sometimes they "win" big, sometimes they win little but they still win something they didn't have before.
    arpakola
    arpakola

    Posts : 1511
    Points : 1543
    Join date : 2014-03-12
    Age : 52
    Location : Athens

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  arpakola on Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:13 pm

    eehnie
    eehnie

    Posts : 2476
    Points : 2487
    Join date : 2015-05-13

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:14 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    The way I see it; Americans have been very successful in Syria, just not on all objectives. Dream scenario they didn't get but they can settle on #1: destroying Syria #2: Delaying/preventing geopolitical Iranian led axis from "domino'ing" the region in peace, #3: Slicing Syria and getting a proxy semi-state with the Kurds - which is obviously one of their present goals....

    We'll see how successful they're once the Kurds issue gets settled once and for all.

    ===============
    .


    The ultimate goal ,in Syria is not Assad or Syria and not even IRAN. But Putin and Russia.

    The Americans major goals.
    1)Over Run Syria   To create a pipeline to Europe from Qatar
     passing through Syria to bypass Gazprom. In other words. it was  
    to sabotage Russia energy business with Europe. and weaken Russia more.
    or said in other words Sabotage of Russia economy.
    2)Grind Russia army in Syria as CIA did in Afganistan. create a trap
    were Russia sends a big army and they lose thousands of soldiers
    with Americans providing Stinger missiles to the terrorist and javelines to
    destroy T-90. After 3-5 years of loses , thousands soldiers killed and Russia
    spending a fortune in Syria to defend them , this is an addition to sanctions and oil prices war.
    Will had destroy Putin popularity , with major cities unrest and major economy problems ,
    making it easier for Americans to provoke major protest ,to end the war and Putin to resign.
    this will only make things easier for NATO to provoke a civil war after thousands soldiers killed and economy bad. not only for Syria but Ukraine too.
    3)Provoke a war between Turkey and Russia  ,a full scale one. This could cause Russia
    military base over run by Turkey and Russian soldiers killed and arrested and S-400 also taken
    or worse a warship destroyed. Russia will have beaten Turkey but not before losing thousands of more soldiers and Russia image and economy destroyed.
    4)And once Syria over Run by ISIS, over Run IRAQ too ,take the oil fields and Gas , to finance
    an ISIS army of millions and later send them to fight Russia through Ukraine borders. Losing Syria for Russia will have been a major morale booster for terrorist all over the world . and allowed ISIS to get a million man army ,trained by NATO and to fight Russia on its borders.
    5)Bonuses could have been hezbolah and then Invade IRAN ,once Russia weakened and retreat from Syria after too much losses and being unable to continue financing the war.

    So the Syrian war is nothing more than a NATO proxy war against Russia , nothing more and nothing else. and Turkey and ISrael with their own goals too , Turkey steal land ,and Israel take down hezbolah and block IRAN from entering Syria by blocking Turkey border. The War with IRAN is all about taking its oil fields and NATO access to caspian sea to threaten Russia nation security.

    So from the point of view of Russia ,they won and American lost ,if things continue in the same way and nothing new dramatically happens ,like a NATO invasion or ISrael -Jordan invasion or another Turkey backstab.  

    From point of view of Syria ,it was a partial victory and partial lost. if things remain more or less the same. they did not recover all its territory but still avoided being over run. and have a chance in future to recover all with a coup on Erdogan etc.

    And the pipeline Americans wanted ,could be done now with IRAN and Qatar and Syria in the project. So it will benefit also Russia. So if for Americans Russia was the real goal.. then it was a total failure. Because putin was wise enough to only send a reduced force and do cease of fires. and reconcilation etc. and allowing those deescalation zones to be used to focus on ISIS.

    From the point of view of Israel.. lol   They won nothing. Hezbolah and IRAN more combat ready than ever. and now with a major full understanding of modern warfare of Russia. Now IRAN with attack drones and with an invaluable experience in Syria in modern combat.and Russia will provide decent military hardware to IRAN ,so it can fight like Russia did in Syria.

    From the point of view of Americans is a major short term failure ,but not a total defeat ,because they have kurds and managed to partition Syria .So they can restart the war in future. and finish the job .So is too early to call them out of the game. Only if Trump
    order an end of the war on Syria , it could be a total defeat. but they still with enough land
    and cards to play to continue the war for another 5-10 years.

    NATO will try to create a new war in the balkans to do the same of Syria ,using muslim terrorist to attack Serbia. and pull Russia to their rescue. or can still incite the war in Ukraine.

    You have the big picture...just draw some conclusions I don't agree with when coining things as "won" and "lost". Say for example, if a thief comes to you and tries to steal 50 rubles, you thwart him off in the ensuing fight but in the process 10 rubles are torn. You can claim you won yes....as the theif didn't get what it wanted but you still lost 10 rubles and you're 10 rubles poorer. I think if you work with that pov in mind you'll see winners and losers in a whole different light. Aggressor parties benefit from chaos.....sometimes they "win" big, sometimes they win little but they still win something they didn't have before.

    I do not buy the history of the pipelines. If the US wants pipelines from the Gulf to Europe, they can do it every day. Only need to go from Saudi Arabia to Egipt. Or even better for them, to Israel. Tons of non-sense. The need of Syria is 0, like the need of Turkey, like the need of everyone else.

    This is a war for the control of the territory around Israel, and to deny to Russia and their allies access to the Mediterraneum. Nothing more.

    The success of the US has been poor. It is reaching the level of failure.

    Now the US is crazy trying to promote war with the Kurds. Crazy. No-one except the propagandists here will follow the shit about.

    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 6656
    Points : 6723
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:47 am

    eehnie wrote:

    I do not buy the history of the pipelines. If the US wants pipelines from the Gulf to Europe, they can do it every day. Only need to go from Saudi Arabia to Egipt. Or even better for them, to Israel. Tons of non-sense. The need of Syria is 0, like the need of Turkey, like the need of everyone else.

    You might not buy the pipeline reason but many do and the timeline of events supports it. If a pipeline from Saudi to the Med had been economically feasible I am sure that the Saudis would have constructed one rather than have all their output leave via the vulnerable Straits of Hormuz.

    But this is not a Saudi product, oil, pipeline at issue, it is a Qatari product, gas, that was to be transported. Gas really needs a pipe from source to user, hence the route from the Gulf up through Iraq (or Jordan) and Syria to Turkey's pipes into the EU.

    Perhaps you could suggest how the gas would have reached the EU from Egypt or Israel?
    BKP
    BKP

    Posts : 462
    Points : 471
    Join date : 2015-05-02

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  BKP on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:04 am

    ^If you have to go LNG, it becomes non-viable, economically.
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 6656
    Points : 6723
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:09 am

    Looks like the Turks are at it again up north, looks like they are trying to disrupt the Raqqa offensive by getting the SDF and maybe SAA to send troops back to defend their rear. Could benefit the SAA if this delays any ISIS move towards Deir when they are ejected from Raqqa.

    Ivan Sidorenko‏ 13m13 minutes ago

    #Syria #Aleppo #NorthernAleppo The battles btw MMC & Euphrates Shield / Turkey started 3ish hours ago @ Sheikh Nasser, N & W of Arima Fronts



    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB_nJiJXUAEBHMv

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB_qfMGWsAAY9z9

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB_q0nNXkAEaV_Y


    A bit more from a different source

    The'Nimr'Tiger 8m8 minutes ago

    I think Syrian border guards & local NDF withdrew from West Manbij buffer zone especially since recent YPG aggression & aligning with Saudis


    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB_t1M8WsAEkPc6


    Last edited by JohninMK on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:21 am; edited 1 time in total
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 6656
    Points : 6723
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:11 am

    BKP wrote:^If you have to go LNG, it becomes non-viable, economically.
    Not correct. Qatar currently exports huge quantities by LPG tanker. US has processing plants and the Russians are planning them.
    eehnie
    eehnie

    Posts : 2476
    Points : 2487
    Join date : 2015-05-13

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:11 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    eehnie wrote:

    I do not buy the history of the pipelines. If the US wants pipelines from the Gulf to Europe, they can do it every day. Only need to go from Saudi Arabia to Egipt. Or even better for them, to Israel. Tons of non-sense. The need of Syria is 0, like the need of Turkey, like the need of everyone else.

    You might not buy the pipeline reason but many do and the timeline of events supports it. If a pipeline from Saudi to the Med had been economically feasible I am sure that the Saudis would have constructed one rather than have all their output leave via the vulnerable Straits of Hormuz.

    But this is not a Saudi product, oil, pipeline at issue, it is a Qatari product, gas, that was to be transported. Gas really needs a pipe from source to user, hence the route from the Gulf up through Iraq (or Jordan) and Syria to Turkey's pipes into the EU.

    Perhaps you could suggest how the gas would have reached the EU from Egypt or Israel?

    Look at the map. Saudi, Qatari, Emirati, Kuwaiti, is the same thinking about pipelines, from a US point, all would go to Saudi Arabia, and later 2 options Israel or Egipt. Even Jordan can be bypassed.

    And about the last question, the same way than from Algeria or Lybia.

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Gas_pipelines_across_Mediterranee_and_Sahara_map-en

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenstream_pipeline

    Tons of absurd propaganda here.


    Last edited by eehnie on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:23 am; edited 1 time in total
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 6656
    Points : 6723
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:13 am

    Ivan Sidorenko‏ 39m39 minutes ago

    #Syria #Latakia #Lattakia Militants say #SRG #SyrianRepublicanGuard 103rd Brigade transported today to unknown frontline Possibly #DeirEzZor


    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 DB_ly5sXsAAFGSV
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 6656
    Points : 6723
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:16 am

    eehnie wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    eehnie wrote:

    I do not buy the history of the pipelines. If the US wants pipelines from the Gulf to Europe, they can do it every day. Only need to go from Saudi Arabia to Egipt. Or even better for them, to Israel. Tons of non-sense. The need of Syria is 0, like the need of Turkey, like the need of everyone else.

    You might not buy the pipeline reason but many do and the timeline of events supports it. If a pipeline from Saudi to the Med had been economically feasible I am sure that the Saudis would have constructed one rather than have all their output leave via the vulnerable Straits of Hormuz.

    But this is not a Saudi product, oil, pipeline at issue, it is a Qatari product, gas, that was to be transported. Gas really needs a pipe from source to user, hence the route from the Gulf up through Iraq (or Jordan) and Syria to Turkey's pipes into the EU.

    Perhaps you could suggest how the gas would have reached the EU from Egypt or Israel?

    Look at the map. Saudi, Qatari, Emirati, Kuwaiti, is the same thinking about pipelines, from a US point, all would go to Saudi Arabia, and later 2 options Israel or Egipt. Even Jordan can be bypassed.

    Tons of absurd propaganda here.
    Couldn't have put it better myself.

    Don't you feel sometimes that you are a lone voice in the wilderness?
    KomissarBojanchev
    KomissarBojanchev

    Posts : 1442
    Points : 1603
    Join date : 2012-08-05
    Age : 22
    Location : Varna, Bulgaria

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:17 am

    Im telling again, kurds are sunnis. Sunnis generaly serve Israel and are more savage and get more radicalized. Therefore, Israel can and will radicalize kurds to destroy the legitimate shia antizionist governments of Iraq and Syria. Kurds will also be a useful Zionist tool to foster rebellion among the kurdish population of Iran, within Iranian borders, thus destabilizing Iran, the main opposition to Greater Israel.
    BKP
    BKP

    Posts : 462
    Points : 471
    Join date : 2015-05-02

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  BKP on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:18 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    BKP wrote:^If you have to go LNG, it becomes non-viable, economically.
    Not correct. Qatar currently exports huge quantities by LPG tanker. US has processing plants and the Russians are planning them.

    I didn't mean in all circumstances. Obviously that's not the case. It's just not viable for the aim of cutting Russia as a major supplier of NG to Europe. The governing structures of Europe (troika) would probably be willing to pay some greater amount to achieve it, but not a vastly greater amount.
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 6656
    Points : 6723
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:25 am

    BKP wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    BKP wrote:^If you have to go LNG, it becomes non-viable, economically.
    Not correct. Qatar currently exports huge quantities by LPG tanker. US has processing plants and the Russians are planning them.

    I didn't mean in all circumstances. Obviously that's not the case. It's just not viable for the aim of cutting Russia as a major supplier of NG to Europe. The governing structures of Europe (troika) would probably be willing to pay some greater amount to achieve it, but not a vastly greater amount.

    Agree with you, LNG is OK as long as the 'alternative gas supply source' premium is acceptable. It certainly can't compete on price or force the price of Russian gas in Europe down. Only pipe supplied gas can do that.

    Sponsored content

    Syrian War: News #13 - Page 22 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #13

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:05 pm