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par far wrote:"IRAQI POPULAR MOBILIZATION UNITS LAUNCHED “SINJAR MARTYRS” OPERATION, SEEK TO CAPTURE IMPORTANT BORDER TOWN (VIDEOS)."
It is now high stakes, the SAA and Allies really need to get to the Syrian-Iraqi border.
https://southfront.org/iraqi-popular-mobilization-units-launched-sinjar-martyrs-operation-seek-to-capture-important-border-town-videos/
"INTENSE CLASHES ONGOING IN DEIR EZZOR."
https://southfront.org/intense-clashes-ongoing-in-deir-ezzor/
par far wrote:...........
If you were happy about the Islamist's getting torn to shreds than you would not say things like "the US and Israel should bomb the SAA" because the SAA are fighting against the Islamist's and you would not make statements like "Iran should just wait for the USMC to be in Tehran" because Islamist's are a big threat to Iran or make comments like "Russia should kill their Allies" As a Serb you should know that it is better to kill the Islamist's in Syria, rather than in Russia or Serbia and the SAA and Iran is helping to kill the Islamist's in Syria and Iraq.
If you had looked at what the SAA has done in the last few weeks, than you could not say that " Might help explain poor performance of SAA".
PapaDragon wrote:par far wrote:...........
If you were happy about the Islamist's getting torn to shreds than you would not say things like "the US and Israel should bomb the SAA" because the SAA are fighting against the Islamist's and you would not make statements like "Iran should just wait for the USMC to be in Tehran" because Islamist's are a big threat to Iran or make comments like "Russia should kill their Allies" As a Serb you should know that it is better to kill the Islamist's in Syria, rather than in Russia or Serbia and the SAA and Iran is helping to kill the Islamist's in Syria and Iraq.
If you had looked at what the SAA has done in the last few weeks, than you could not say that " Might help explain poor performance of SAA".
When your dog bites your hand you chastise him otherwise he will do it again because he begins to overestimate his own importance
US and Israel bombing SAA is very useful as a reminder that nobody is irreplaceable, something that SAA needs quite frequently
Ideally I would want VKS to do it but like I said, diplomatic hiccups
As for islamists coming here I don't worry myself too much with it, we know how to deal with them
As for killing them in Syria, most of the heavy lifting is done by Russia anyway so several thousand SAA cowards less will not affect pace of work in any meaningful way
ultimatewarrior wrote: Even though SAA lives are expendable to their master Russia, every life is God made and valuable.
franco wrote:par far wrote:"IRAQI POPULAR MOBILIZATION UNITS LAUNCHED “SINJAR MARTYRS” OPERATION, SEEK TO CAPTURE IMPORTANT BORDER TOWN (VIDEOS)."
It is now high stakes, the SAA and Allies really need to get to the Syrian-Iraqi border.
https://southfront.org/iraqi-popular-mobilization-units-launched-sinjar-martyrs-operation-seek-to-capture-important-border-town-videos/
"INTENSE CLASHES ONGOING IN DEIR EZZOR."
https://southfront.org/intense-clashes-ongoing-in-deir-ezzor/
You do know who the PMU are?
PapaDragon wrote:par far wrote:...........
If you were happy about the Islamist's getting torn to shreds than you would not say things like "the US and Israel should bomb the SAA" because the SAA are fighting against the Islamist's and you would not make statements like "Iran should just wait for the USMC to be in Tehran" because Islamist's are a big threat to Iran or make comments like "Russia should kill their Allies" As a Serb you should know that it is better to kill the Islamist's in Syria, rather than in Russia or Serbia and the SAA and Iran is helping to kill the Islamist's in Syria and Iraq.
If you had looked at what the SAA has done in the last few weeks, than you could not say that " Might help explain poor performance of SAA".
When your dog bites your hand you chastise him otherwise he will do it again because he begins to overestimate his own importance
US and Israel bombing SAA is very useful as a reminder that nobody is irreplaceable, something that SAA needs quite frequently
Ideally I would want VKS to do it but like I said, diplomatic hiccups
As for islamists coming here I don't worry myself too much with it, we know how to deal with them
As for killing them in Syria, most of the heavy lifting is done by Russia anyway so several thousand SAA cowards less will not affect pace of work in any meaningful way
par far wrote:PapaDragon wrote:par far wrote:...........
If you were happy about the Islamist's getting torn to shreds than you would not say things like "the US and Israel should bomb the SAA" because the SAA are fighting against the Islamist's and you would not make statements like "Iran should just wait for the USMC to be in Tehran" because Islamist's are a big threat to Iran or make comments like "Russia should kill their Allies" As a Serb you should know that it is better to kill the Islamist's in Syria, rather than in Russia or Serbia and the SAA and Iran is helping to kill the Islamist's in Syria and Iraq.
If you had looked at what the SAA has done in the last few weeks, than you could not say that " Might help explain poor performance of SAA".
When your dog bites your hand you chastise him otherwise he will do it again because he begins to overestimate his own importance
US and Israel bombing SAA is very useful as a reminder that nobody is irreplaceable, something that SAA needs quite frequently
Ideally I would want VKS to do it but like I said, diplomatic hiccups
As for islamists coming here I don't worry myself too much with it, we know how to deal with them
As for killing them in Syria, most of the heavy lifting is done by Russia anyway so several thousand SAA cowards less will not affect pace of work in any meaningful way
When you talk to your friends or people you know, do you call then your"dogs" and say I am you master? I don't think Russia thinks that way about Syria or Syrians, ever since Russia entered the Syrian conflict the illegal bombings in Syria have stopped because Russia have advanced Air Defences in Syria and have given Syria Air Defence System and more advanced Aircraft, so why would Russia let NATO bomb Syria now?
If the VKS start bombing Syria(you are saying this because you have no common sense), than all the work that Russia has done in Syria will go to shit.
The Saudis along with Israel and other Gulf states are already pushing the Islamists around Russia's borders and inside Russia, the quick growth of Islam around Russia's borders after the fall of the Soviet Union is not a accident, Russia is already dealing with Islamists in Syria, they don't need anymore in Russia. I have already responded to you calling the SAA cowards.
I doubt that this has escaped the SAA's notice, especially as the southern route out of Raqqa seems to have been left open by the Coalition. However cracking Raqqa could, if the tales of serious street fighting defences are true, be a difficult nut to crack, like Mosul.KomissarBojanchev wrote:What is the chance that their Jewish and US masters convince ISIS to abandon Raqqah and instead attack Deir Ez Zor with all available force before the SAA can break the seige? Is the city prepared for a massive onslaught of thousands of goatfuckers?
par far wrote:franco wrote:par far wrote:"IRAQI POPULAR MOBILIZATION UNITS LAUNCHED “SINJAR MARTYRS” OPERATION, SEEK TO CAPTURE IMPORTANT BORDER TOWN (VIDEOS)."
It is now high stakes, the SAA and Allies really need to get to the Syrian-Iraqi border.
https://southfront.org/iraqi-popular-mobilization-units-launched-sinjar-martyrs-operation-seek-to-capture-important-border-town-videos/
"INTENSE CLASHES ONGOING IN DEIR EZZOR."
https://southfront.org/intense-clashes-ongoing-in-deir-ezzor/
You do know who the PMU are?
PMU are mostly supported by Iran, most of them are Shia's but they do include Sunni and Christan groups as well, I think Erdgoan said that they part of the Persian arm.
calm wrote:No escape.
VKS attacked a convoy ISIS in the southeast of Homs province.
par far wrote:.......
When you talk to your friends or people you know, do you call then your"dogs" and say I am you master? I don't think Russia thinks that way about Syria or Syrians, ever since Russia entered the Syrian conflict the illegal bombings in Syria have stopped because Russia have advanced Air Defences in Syria and have given Syria Air Defence System and more advanced Aircraft, so why would Russia let NATO bomb Syria now?
par far wrote:.
If the VKS start bombing Syria(you are saying this because you have no common sense), than all the work that Russia has done in Syria will go to shit.
par far wrote:
The Saudis along with Israel and other Gulf states are already pushing the Islamists around Russia's borders and inside Russia, the quick growth of Islam around Russia's borders after the fall of the Soviet Union is not a accident, Russia is already dealing with Islamists in Syria, they don't need anymore in Russia. I have already responded to you calling the SAA cowards.
franco wrote:par far wrote:franco wrote:par far wrote:"IRAQI POPULAR MOBILIZATION UNITS LAUNCHED “SINJAR MARTYRS” OPERATION, SEEK TO CAPTURE IMPORTANT BORDER TOWN (VIDEOS)."
It is now high stakes, the SAA and Allies really need to get to the Syrian-Iraqi border.
https://southfront.org/iraqi-popular-mobilization-units-launched-sinjar-martyrs-operation-seek-to-capture-important-border-town-videos/
"INTENSE CLASHES ONGOING IN DEIR EZZOR."
https://southfront.org/intense-clashes-ongoing-in-deir-ezzor/
You do know who the PMU are?
PMU are mostly supported by Iran, most of them are Shia's but they do include Sunni and Christan groups as well, I think Erdgoan said that they part of the Persian arm.
They are for the most part Shia militiamen as you mention supported by Iran. On the other side of the border fighting for the SAA, are about 4-5000 of them at a time. Lead, trained, equipped and paid for by the Iranians. This is the reason the Americans are desperate to keep the Syrian side of the Jordanian border under their control, so they will have a corridor for the Qatar pipeline which they don't want to go thru Iraq. The Iraqi's are Shia for the most part and once ISIS is gone, they will want the Americans gone.
PapaDragon wrote:par far wrote:.......
When you talk to your friends or people you know, do you call then your"dogs" and say I am you master? I don't think Russia thinks that way about Syria or Syrians, ever since Russia entered the Syrian conflict the illegal bombings in Syria have stopped because Russia have advanced Air Defences in Syria and have given Syria Air Defence System and more advanced Aircraft, so why would Russia let NATO bomb Syria now?
No I don't but Syria is not Russia's friend and most certainly not their equal. There are no friendships in geopolitics, only interests and Syrians had no problems getting cozy with those much hated Americans decade ago when it served their interests.
Just because they fucked themselves up and had nobody else to turn to does not mean that suddenly they became Russian "friends" nor does it mean that they will remain useful. Hence rules and examples need to be set.
Syria may not be Russia's friend but the SAA is too important for Russia to be talking to them like that or bombing the SAA themselves or letting NATO bomb them after all the work Russia has done in Syria is just stupid. Russia also had no problems with getting cozy with the Americans as well(you learn from your mistakes, this sent a message to the whole world to not trust the US.)
The SAA needs Russia to survive(it is like Syria is a living body and Russia is water, the living body will die without water), or Syria without Russia will collapse in 10 days, so Russia does not need to set any expamples.par far wrote:.
If the VKS start bombing Syria(you are saying this because you have no common sense), than all the work that Russia has done in Syria will go to shit.
It will not go to shit but it will complicate things hence why Israeli airstrikes are conductive to Russian interests. They facilitate regional diplomacy and they send a message to Syrians.
SAA sees Russian troops as expendable. By allowing Israeli airstrikes Russia sends a message to SAA that they too are expendable and that they should not get any big ideas lest they end up in pieces, both them and their country.
NATO air strikes on Syria are the worse for Russia because than Russia will have to respond and that may lead to a direct war with NATO(something NATO and Israel(especially Israel) wants but not what Russia wants.)
The SAA does not see Russian troops as expandable(the SAA knows without Russians troops the SAA is done for), Russia does not/should not allow NATO air strikes on Syria because it will just complicate things for Russia(Russia does not want that, Russia already has the SAA doing what it wants, Assad calls Moscow before he does anything.)par far wrote:
The Saudis along with Israel and other Gulf states are already pushing the Islamists around Russia's borders and inside Russia, the quick growth of Islam around Russia's borders after the fall of the Soviet Union is not a accident, Russia is already dealing with Islamists in Syria, they don't need anymore in Russia. I have already responded to you calling the SAA cowards.
There are no changes in Islamic factor around Russia, whole thing is same as before. There is however big change in Europe on that front. Once free money dries up they move to regions where free money is abundant. North Africa dried up hence they moved to Europe. Not Russia's problem.
If you have beef with Israelis or you dream of some future Greater Iranian caliphate and you think Russia will bleed to make it happen then you are shit out of luck.
Russia will look after itself. It can involve Syria and Iran but only if they do exactly what they are told, no questions asked. By all accounts they are doing the opposite, Iranians especially. Not a problem for Russia and RIP Iran.
Iran just had its sanctions lifted and is emerging as a economic nation
PapaDragon wrote:^^^ And as always you keep conflating several marginally related or completely isolated issues in order to fit them into your political dreamscape. Whatever gets your motor runnin'
Iran just had its sanctions lifted and is emerging as a economic nation
ROFL. Iran is about to get slapped with sanctions that will make North Korean ones look like vacation and if they don't start dragging their asses and contributing in order to preempt it, they will be getting military invasion several years down the road
Also Europe going down the toilet due to European islamists is not a problem for Russia. It's an opportunity. With islamism comes financial collapse. With financial collapse come societal collapse.
And with that down the road comes presidential candidate in Russia who will say: *We are going to build a great wall*
Only this one will go North to South, coast to coast. And finally good riddance. Unless you are one of those Euro fanatics?
Also, that Israel thingy you have issues with? That will outlast everything in that subcontinent. So get used to it.
I believe that we are done here.
par far wrote:Care about Israel, they can be put in their place like it was done in 2006.
KiloGolf wrote:par far wrote:Care about Israel, they can be put in their place like it was done in 2006.
Lebanon got trashed, yeah that really hurt ze ebil Israelites
So much that a year before that they forced Assad out of Lebanon without a single shot fired. And a year later they PGM'ed Assad's nuclear facilities.
JohninMK wrote:I doubt that this has escaped the SAA's notice, especially as the southern route out of Raqqa seems to have been left open by the Coalition. However cracking Raqqa could, if the tales of serious street fighting defences are true, be a difficult nut to crack, like Mosul.KomissarBojanchev wrote:What is the chance that their Jewish and US masters convince ISIS to abandon Raqqah and instead attack Deir Ez Zor with all available force before the SAA can break the seige? Is the city prepared for a massive onslaught of thousands of goatfuckers?
This could be a good reason for the Syrians/Russians getting on as quickly as possible clearing out other parts of the country whilst the Coalition is distracted, the US especially having blown up the importance of Raqqa so that even Trump probably has an idea of where it is.
It is now going to be very interesting as to what happens with the currently on hold al-Tanf advance. The Coalition should have had time to clear their gear away by now
Vann7 wrote:When a picture is more powerful than a thousand words..
Take a look the people saying Assad only fight muslins jihadist.
and that there is "no evidence" of NATO engaging in direct combat
with Syrian army.
now we know who were driving the famous caravan of toyota pickups
in IRAQ. The US military can cover and fight as ISIS or any other terror group ,
to push Syrian army advances whenever they need it. This is just one example
of many of the fake war against terrorism that NATO is doing in Syria.
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