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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:13 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I doubt NATO agents involved.  More like corruption which probably existed for quite some time but cannot continue on.

    Since Roscosmos is now considered a company and not a state run agency, they can now follow legal actions against other companies who supply to them.  As well, they can do their own investigations and take whatever actions they legally can.

    And this is probably they are going to do.  They will be compensated for the loss.  By who, I don't know.

    Corruption is a vapid catch all term for any process that is not understood. If as you say corruption is the causal mechanism,
    then the failure rate would have been worse during the 1990s and would never be tolerable to begin with. As I posted, there
    is no actual racket that can be run off cutting corners on the metals on rocket engines. Zero. Corruption would be in the
    pricing of these rocket engines as it is in the USA. Only full on retards would risk the gravy train by skimping a tiny fraction
    of the profit they make on the materials of the engines where they are critical and not cosmetic. So the corruption excuse is
    simply not credible.

    And to claim that NATO makes no interference in Russia is pure Technicolor Rainbow Ponies delusion. They have been using
    every dirty trick they can think of at the political level including blood libel hate propaganda in the mass media, but you think
    they are all chivalry when it comes to Russian industry. Get real. Industrial sabotage is one of the key elements of NATzO's
    attack on Russia.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:44 pm

    Germany’s eRosita telescope for Spektr-RG space observatory delivered to Russia for tests

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    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:23 pm

    Vann7 wrote: In summary the Rockets explosion was consequences of bad quality controls , which is consequence of bad supervision ,which is consequence of bad leadership and Putin is the ultimate leader. So it was his fault ,that proton crashed for not having the right people leading and supervising the Rocket manufacturing.  If you look always Bored with your job , calm and relaxed ,with no enthusiasm of your job, you will not encourage anyone to do better. and This is Russia problem a leadership problem. Putin ,Medvedev,Shoigu,Rogozin  ,total non sense. no idea how Russians think ,but they are not real leaders. they are actually weak all of them.  fortunately is not a total disaster..because at least they are patriotic and cares about Russia and more importantly understand the challenges they face ,just don't know how to solve them,it will have been a total disaster if they were corrupt ,like the Ukrainian leadership.


    The problems are natural, the question is how quickly and effectively you can solve them.


    And there is no ultimate one leader who responsible.

    The team is composition of the team members, not the shadow of the leader.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:39 pm

    Roscosmos starts recruitment of cosmonauts for future lunar missions

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    MOSCOW, March 14. /TASS/. Member-states of the Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) plan to pool together a united orbital grouping of satellites for remote sensing of the Earth, Nikolai Kushanryov, the director of the industrial policy department of the Eurasian Economic Commission told Izvestia daily.

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:04 pm


    Oh how surprised I am (not).  Just decommission this piece of shit already and start ditching incompetent idiots....

    All engines of the second and third stages of the "Proton" are defective

    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1868655.html

    That is 71 engine total. And that same Clownhouse (AKA Voronezh Mechanical Plant) was also making third stage engines for Soyuz-U that was killing success rate of the platform (thankfully decommissioned now)...
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:57 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Oh how surprised I am (not).  Just decommission this piece of shit already and start ditching incompetent idiots....

    All engines of the second and third stages of the "Proton" are defective

    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1868655.html

    That is 71 engine total. And that same Clownhouse (AKA Voronezh Mechanical Plant) was also making third stage engines for Soyuz-U that was killing success rate of the platform (thankfully decommissioned now)...

    Wow. This is not idiocy, this is 5th column malice. I have met many from Russia of the liberast flavour who are rabidly
    anti-Russian and would gladly engage in outright sabotage. I do not understand the mentality of these clowns, since
    there are a lot of people in the rest of the world who were f*cked over by life and who do not turn into 5th column maggots
    to make themselves feel better.

    It looks like thorough investigation was carried out and nothing was hushed up. All that NATO fake stream media bleating
    about Russian corruption and Putin's tyranny has not a shred of fact to stand on. In fact, all the information I see is the
    exact opposite. Putin is actually doing something about corruption, unlike all of the NATO leaders.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:33 am

    Russia’s Space Force deploys high-tech space monitoring systems

    They will make it possible to carry out global non-stop monitoring at all altitudes and angles by 2020, according to the Russian Defense Ministry

    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. Russia’s Space Force has started deploying special new generation ground-based means of space monitoring, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

    "The emergence of four new laser-optical and four radio-technical systems of identification of space objects will make it possible to carry out global non-stop monitoring at all altitudes and angles by 2020," the Defense Ministry said.

    The first laser-optical system of a new generation has already undergone government certification tests and entered duty in the Altai Territory, the Defense Ministry said.

    Since the moment they went operational the space control means have carried out "hundreds of thousands of special works" to identify and keep track of 15,000 space objects, verify the end of the "ballistic existence" of about 5,000 space objects, and issue 300 warnings of dangerous rapprochement of space objects with the operational spacecraft of Russia’s group of satellites.

    New-generation satellites

    Specialists of the Russian Aerospace Force’s Space Troops are carrying out flight development tests of the first satellite of the single space system’s orbital grouping:

    "Specialists of the Aerospace Force’s Space Troops are carrying out flight development tests of the first satellite of the orbital grouping of the single space system that will become the basis of the space echelon of the early missile attack warning system and help considerably reduce the time of detecting the launches of a potential enemy’s ballistic missiles, and also significantly raise the promptness and the reliability of information on warning the country’s military and political leadership about missile threats," the Defense Ministry said.

    The orbital grouping of new-generation satellites of the early missile attack warning system will allow ensuring global control of the territory and the water area of the Earth, the Defense Ministry said.

    "Over the entire period of combat alert, the early missile attack warning system has detected over 1,500 launches of foreign and domestic ballistic missiles and space rockets," the Defense Ministry said.


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Singular_Transform on Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:55 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia’s Space Force deploys high-tech space monitoring systems

    They will make it possible to carry out global non-stop monitoring at all altitudes and angles by 2020, according to the Russian Defense Ministry

    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. Russia’s Space Force has started deploying special new generation ground-based means of space monitoring, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

    "The emergence of four new laser-optical and four radio-technical systems of identification of space objects will make it possible to carry out global non-stop monitoring at all altitudes and angles by 2020," the Defense Ministry said.

    The first laser-optical system of a new generation has already undergone government certification tests and entered duty in the Altai Territory, the Defense Ministry said.

    Since the moment they went operational the space control means have carried out "hundreds of thousands of special works" to identify and keep track of 15,000 space objects, verify the end of the "ballistic existence" of about 5,000 space objects, and issue 300 warnings of dangerous rapprochement of space objects with the operational spacecraft of Russia’s group of satellites.

    New-generation satellites

    Specialists of the Russian Aerospace Force’s Space Troops are carrying out flight development tests of the first satellite of the single space system’s orbital grouping:

    "Specialists of the Aerospace Force’s Space Troops are carrying out flight development tests of the first satellite of the orbital grouping of the single space system that will become the basis of the space echelon of the early missile attack warning system and help considerably reduce the time of detecting the launches of a potential enemy’s ballistic missiles, and also significantly raise the promptness and the reliability of information on warning the country’s military and political leadership about missile threats," the Defense Ministry said.

    The orbital grouping of new-generation satellites of the early missile attack warning system will allow ensuring global control of the territory and the water area of the Earth, the Defense Ministry said.

    "Over the entire period of combat alert, the early missile attack warning system has detected over 1,500 launches of foreign and domestic ballistic missiles and space rockets," the Defense Ministry said.


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    Wow, they managed to manufacture 90nm radhard IR sensors and CPUs.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:06 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia’s Space Force deploys high-tech space monitoring systems

    They will make it possible to carry out global non-stop monitoring at all altitudes and angles by 2020, according to the Russian Defense Ministry

    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. Russia’s Space Force has started deploying special new generation ground-based means of space monitoring, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

    "The emergence of four new laser-optical and four radio-technical systems of identification of space objects will make it possible to carry out global non-stop monitoring at all altitudes and angles by 2020," the Defense Ministry said.

    The first laser-optical system of a new generation has already undergone government certification tests and entered duty in the Altai Territory, the Defense Ministry said.

    Since the moment they went operational the space control means have carried out "hundreds of thousands of special works" to identify and keep track of 15,000 space objects, verify the end of the "ballistic existence" of about 5,000 space objects, and issue 300 warnings of dangerous rapprochement of space objects with the operational spacecraft of Russia’s group of satellites.

    New-generation satellites

    Specialists of the Russian Aerospace Force’s Space Troops are carrying out flight development tests of the first satellite of the single space system’s orbital grouping:

    "Specialists of the Aerospace Force’s Space Troops are carrying out flight development tests of the first satellite of the orbital grouping of the single space system that will become the basis of the space echelon of the early missile attack warning system and help considerably reduce the time of detecting the launches of a potential enemy’s ballistic missiles, and also significantly raise the promptness and the reliability of information on warning the country’s military and political leadership about missile threats," the Defense Ministry said.

    The orbital grouping of new-generation satellites of the early missile attack warning system will allow ensuring global control of the territory and the water area of the Earth, the Defense Ministry said.

    "Over the entire period of combat alert, the early missile attack warning system has detected over 1,500 launches of foreign and domestic ballistic missiles and space rockets," the Defense Ministry said.


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    http://tass.com/defense/938501

    Wow, they managed to manufacture 90nm radhard IR sensors and CPUs.

    Dude, put the crack pipe down. As if you know anything about the US ICs used in their early warning systems. There was a reason the shuttle was
    using 1980s ICs and it wasn't because they couldn't be bothered to use some consumer weenie CPU mass produced on the smallest process possible
    because random game crashes make no frelling difference. Unless all the electronics are encased in 30 cm of lead, the geometric increase of
    ionizing radiation interference with the inverse of the component size is a show stopper for using your precious latest and greatest, and pointless
    CPUs and RAM. Coarse resolution IC parts with added metal traces are the only radhard parts one can build because of physical limitations and
    not fanboi idiot fantasies.

    BTW, sunhine, they don't make radhard IR sensors. IR sensors (such as the state of the art ones used on science satellites) are CCDs.
    How the f*ck can you make a detector immune to the high energy radiation that it is exposed to by its very design? CCDs are not
    shielded and high resolution is a priority since every pixel carries information. In the real world, the noise is removed by software.
    But you wouldn't know that, troll.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:40 pm

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3065053_Total_dose_and_displacement_damage_effects_in_a_radiation-hardened_CMOS_APS

    A radiation hardened APS sensor, built with a 0.5 micron process and having a 25 micron pixel (dot) pitch.

    https://lirias.kuleuven.be/bitstream/123456789/178143/1/paper10b.pdf

    Nice discussion on the difference between a CCD and APS sensor. But look at the scale of the pixels: 18 x 18 microns
    and consisting of 3 transistors.

    Nobody builds 90 nm radiation hardened sensors.

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    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:20 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:

    Wow, they managed to manufacture 90nm radhard IR sensors and CPUs.

    Dude, put the crack pipe down. As if you know anything about the US ICs used in their early warning systems. There was a reason the shuttle was
    using 1980s ICs and it wasn't because they couldn't be bothered to use some consumer weenie CPU mass produced on the smallest process possible
    because random game crashes make no frelling difference. Unless all the electronics are encased in 30 cm of lead, the geometric increase of
    ionizing radiation interference with the inverse of the component size is a show stopper for using your precious latest and greatest, and pointless
    CPUs and RAM. Coarse resolution IC parts with added metal traces are the only radhard parts one can build because of physical limitations and
    not fanboi idiot fantasies.

    So, let see the known informations.

    The US has early warning system, russia doesn`t.
    Means Russia missing the technology to make key components to these satelites, and the main issue is the radhard components.

    We know that many satelite failed due to the lack of radhard components.

    The Russian goverment bought a 90nm plant at the begining of 2010 .They started it around 13/14.

    Means that they should finish the first radhard batches of satelite electronics roughtly now, and now they are in the appllicatin design phase.

    The new ICs must be 90nm , simply because they have advanced, 200mm line for this technology.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angstrem_(company)

    The smaller component size means less power consumption. : )


    BTW, sunhine, they don't make radhard IR sensors. IR sensors (such as the state of the art ones used on science satellites) are CCDs.
    How the f*ck can you make a detector immune to the high energy radiation that it is exposed to by its very design? CCDs are not
    shielded and high resolution is a priority since every pixel carries information. In the real world, the noise is removed by software.
    But you wouldn't know that, troll.

    5 mins with google prove that you don`t know that you talk about.
    ?
    You can`t remove the noise by software. The radiation doesn`t introduce noise to the circuit . A gamma photon carry (st leat) 50000 times more energy than a visible photon. The human eye sensitivity is 10 photon.

    Means that one gamma photon will overload not only one pixel, but the neighbroud pixels as well.

    So, with non radhard sensors it will be quite hard to see anything in the van allen belt, and practicaly useless forir observation.
    The radhard cicuits/CCDs are NOT shielde, this are require special manufacturing process/materials to make them radiation resistant.


    The size doesn`t make a circuit radhard, this paramter is nor related to the processing technology.

    They (military) doesn`t use say 14nm technology NOT becasue it is not possible, but because it is extremly expensive.
    The 90nm is very cheap however. : )

    On 14nm the manufacturing tooling and design translation cost 80 millions in dollard, means if you make 80 circuit then each of them will cost 1 million dollar :0

    If the technology is 7nm then the design cost will be 271 million dollars.
    See?
    You can make radhard component on 7 nm even, but if it will be one off sircuit then it will cost more than the whole satelite.
    And if you need say 30 different circuit then the cost will be mindblowingly high.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:30 pm

    kvs wrote:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3065053_Total_dose_and_displacement_damage_effects_in_a_radiation-hardened_CMOS_APS

    A radiation hardened APS sensor, built with a 0.5 micron process and having a 25 micron pixel (dot) pitch.

    https://lirias.kuleuven.be/bitstream/123456789/178143/1/paper10b.pdf

    Nice discussion on the difference between a CCD and APS sensor. But look at the scale of the pixels: 18 x 18 microns
    and consisting of 3 transistors.

    Nobody builds 90 nm radiation hardened sensors.


    You think that a research will use the current state of the art technology to conduct experiment?

    Just a sidenote, if you say that a CCD doesn`t require small features technology then it maybe hold same water, but a CMOS require as small features as possible.

    media.the-digital-picture.com/Information/Canon-Full-Frame-CMOS-White-Paper.pdf

    Read wiki pls before talk.

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:36 pm

    Just a note: KVS works in this industry. So far, we both have argued against you but you tend to ignore us or claim we are wrong with no backup. So it may be in your best interest to stay quiet. So we dont remove doubt about you.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:02 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Just a note: KVS works in this industry. So far, we both have argued against you but you tend to ignore us or claim we are wrong with no backup. So it may be in your best interest to stay quiet. So we dont remove doubt about you.

    The simple fact of sameone workplace dosen't means that he/she has any relevat knowledge about the product/technology/production system of the given place.

    If you do nothing but google throught KVS statements ( and that was quite agressive and trolling) to check the validity of the hard data, and do the same with mine you will see the validity of each statement.

    And you get better understanding of the russian semiconductor manufacturing : )


    Oh, interesting information : the shuttle used to have ferrit core memory, and russia strugle for years now to learn the capability to manufacture spin torque transfer MRAM technology.

    There was same news about restricting the export of semiconductor manufacturing equipment usable for mram , but since that the first news is this.

    Maybe they managed to make radhard mrams?
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:01 pm



    Supposedly the Angara 5B will fly only after 2027 and the Energiya heavy launcher around 2035:

    http://tass.ru/kosmos/4143152

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:49 pm

    kvs wrote:.............

    Supposedly the Angara 5B will fly only after 2027 and the Energiya heavy launcher around 2035:

    http://tass.ru/kosmos/4143152


    Both those rockets are for deep-space missions so it's not surprising. Fenix\Angara combo is supposed to be used as super heavy rocket.

    I'll wait for official English version of this article. There seems to be some interesting info there but I don't want to do machine translation tea leafs reading.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:28 am

    Anniversary of Yuri Gagarin’s historic spaceflight marked in Russia and worldwide

    April 12 is celebrated as the Cosmonautics Day in Russia and the International Day of Human Space Flight worldwide



    MOSCOW, April 12. /TASS/. Wednesday marks the anniversary of the first manned flight to space, performed by Yuri Gagarin on April 12, 1961. The date is celebrated as the Cosmonautics Day in Russia and the International Day of Human Space Flight worldwide.

    The recent years have been difficult for Russia’s space agency Roscosmos and the country’s entire space industry in general, due to international sanctions against Russia and successes by the country’s space rivals, notably from the United States. While Russia had to cope with cuts in the financing of its Federal Space Program and Proton engine malfunction issues, the United States successfully tested reusable rocket boosters and continued tests of delivery vehicles intended to replace Russian-made Soyuz carrier rockets.

    Space rivalry intensifies

    Russia’s space rivals have made significant progress in recent years. Last year, Russia dropped to third place in the overall space launch count, losing to both the United States and China. The competition for the leadership in space has further intensified amid successes by US aerospace manufacturer and transport services company SpaceX, which for the first time ever successfully reused a previously flown Falcon 9 rocket booster on March 31.

    "As far as the competition in the space industry is concerned, it has intensified sharply in recent months. The re-launch of a booster by (Elon) Musk and plans to replace our RD-180 rocket engines with those made in the US by the Blue Origin demonstrate that we are entering difficult times and that the reserves of the Soviet space program are now about to be depleted," said Alexander Zheleznyakov of Russia’s Tsiolkovsky Academy of Cosmonautics.

    "If the Roscosmos leadership is aware of this, there is still a chance that we will succeed, but if we continue to rest on our laurels, we will lose this struggle for competitiveness," he said, adding that although projects for reusable boosters are explored by Russian space industry researches as well, they are far from completion.

    "While we are trying to catch up, our rivals will increase the gap in the development of space technologies. If we want to catch up with them, we will have to be proactive. If we simply mirror the achievements and technological ideas of others, we will always stay behind," the expert said.

    US companies took the lead in commercial launches as well last year. According to the US Federal Aviation Administration, US space launch service providers earned some nine times more than their Russian counterparts, $1.2 billion versus 130 million.

    According to SpaceX estimates, reusable boosters will allow to further decrease costs of commercial launches by 30%, from the current $61.2 million to about 43 million. The launch of Russia’s Proton-M rocket is estimated to cost about 65 million, while the new Angara-A5 rocket, intended to replace Protons, is expected to be even more expensive.

    Roscosmos' plans


    Despite difficulties, Russia’s space corporation Roscosmos has big plans for the current year. Although the company had to deal with Proton engine problems, caused by the use of wrong solder alloy during the production, it vows to fulfill the 2017 launch schedule in full. Once the issue is fixed, Roscosmos plans to launch seven rockets with those engines this year, including for commercial customers. In total, the space corporation plans to hold at least 30 rocket launches in 2017, two of them will take place at Russia’s newest launch facility, the Vostochny space center in Russia’s Far East.

    This year, Russia plans to start designing the Angara-A5V rocket for the lunar mission. Elements of the Federatsiya (Federation) spacecraft to take cosmonauts to the moon are currently being assembled by the Rocket and Space Corporation Energia.

    The Sea Launch project is also expected to resume in 2017 after being purchased by S7 Group from Russian aerospace contractor RSC Energia. A Zenit carrier rocket is expected blast off from a floating launch platform in the Pacific Ocean to put an Angolan satellite into orbit.

    Roscosmos is also expected to expand the Russian segment of the International Space Station (ISS) by adding the Nauka research module to it. However, according to unnamed space industry sources, the launch of the Nauka module may be postponed until 2018 or even cancelled due to technical problems.

    Space industry celebrates its holiday

    Events to mark the Cosmonautics Day will be held at the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan and Russia’s Vostochny space center. On this day, officials from Roscosmos and other space industry enterprises will lay flowers to the Kremlin wall, where first cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin and the founder of the Soviet space program Sergei Korolyov are buried.

    The Russian federal agency responsible for civilian aid and humanitarian projects abroad will hold commemorative events in 81 countries. Those events will include photo exhibitions, lectures and meetings with cosmonauts.

    The Russian capital will be decorated by images of the Earth’s orbit and planets of the solar system as seen from a spacecraft, as well as with pictures illustrating Soviet space achievements: the launch of the first artificial space satellite, Yuri Gagarin’s flight, Alexei Leonov’s spacewalk, the Lunokhod-1 lunar rover, Salyut-1 and Mir space stations.

    The Cosmonaut Training Center will host a post-flight news conference of Russian cosmonauts Sergei Ryzhikov and Andrei Borisenko, who returned from the ISS on April 10.

    So far, Oleg Novitsky remains the only Russian cosmonaut in space. His partners on board the International Space Station are NASA astronaut Peggy Whitson and French astronaut Thomas Pesquet.


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:33 pm

    Why can't Russia design a reusable rocket like spaceX? I thought they were all about affordability and efficiency. That said chemical energy rockets are in the past not the future. There should be more research in creating space elevators. Or if not, just extremely cheap rockets that can be launched by the dozens everyday so that large interplanetary spacecraft can be assembled entirely in orbit.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:43 pm


    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why can't Russia design a reusable rocket like spaceX? I thought they were all about affordability and efficiency. That said chemical energy rockets are in the past not the future. There should be more research in creating space elevators. Or if not, just extremely cheap rockets that can be launched by the dozens everyday so that large interplanetary spacecraft can be assembled entirely in orbit.

    1) There are simpler ways to reuse a rocket. SpaceX is doing flashiest and most complicated one (and one that has most room for error). We don't know what they do exactly but priority is Angara and Federation.

    2) Production of engines and rockets on assembly line (Angara) is efficient.

    3) Space elevator is still just science fiction. No materials and no delivery technology exists.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:48 pm



    Russia’s space agency considers exporting rocket engines

    Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos is considering exporting RD-180 rocket engines to other countries, apart from the United States


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:37 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why can't Russia design a reusable rocket like spaceX? I thought they were all about affordability and efficiency. That said chemical energy rockets are in the past not the future. There should be more research in creating space elevators. Or if not, just extremely cheap rockets that can be launched by the dozens everyday so that large interplanetary spacecraft can be assembled entirely in orbit.

    You make the unjustified assumption that these SaceX rocets are actually reusable in any commercially viable sense. As if
    Russia can't design a lander! What a joke, it sent landers to Earth-sized Venus and not low gravity Moon and Mars. I'd
    like to see SpaceX refurbish its gimmicks for "only" a few million dollars after each launch and use them 10 times or more.
    The bottom line is when SpaceX can launch for less money than Roscosmos. So far it can't.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:38 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Russia’s space agency considers exporting rocket engines

    Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos is considering exporting RD-180 rocket engines to other countries, apart from the United States


    More:
    http://tass.com/science/940531

    Why not? If exporting them to the true enemy is OK, then why not everybody else.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:50 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why can't Russia design a reusable rocket like spaceX? I thought they were all about affordability and efficiency. That said chemical energy rockets are in the past not the future. There should be more research in creating space elevators. Or if not, just extremely cheap rockets that can be launched by the dozens everyday so that large interplanetary spacecraft can be assembled entirely in orbit.

    1) There are simpler ways to reuse a rocket. SpaceX is doing flashiest and most complicated one (and one that has most room for error). We don't know what they do exactly but priority is Angara and Federation.

    2) Production of engines and rockets on assembly line (Angara) is efficient.

    3) Space elevator is still just science fiction. No materials and no delivery technology exists.

    The material for space elevators already exists: carbon nanotubes. The issue is producing mass producing them and I confidently believe they will be mature technology before 2040. Considering that they will completely make CE rockets obsolete when they're built, Russia should do more research on them in order to become a pioneer in the field and and make fortune in elevator tarrifs Razz

    This video beautifully debunks myths about space elevators being unfeasible or more dangerous than rockets.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:55 am

    kvs wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why can't Russia design a reusable rocket like spaceX? I thought they were all about affordability and efficiency. That said chemical energy rockets are in the past not the future. There should be more research in creating space elevators. Or if not, just extremely cheap rockets that can be launched by the dozens everyday so that large interplanetary spacecraft can be assembled entirely in orbit.

    You make the unjustified assumption that these SaceX rocets are actually reusable in any commercially viable sense.   As if
    Russia can't design a lander!  What a joke, it sent landers to Earth-sized Venus and not low gravity Moon and Mars.   I'd
    like to see SpaceX refurbish its gimmicks for "only" a few million dollars after each launch and use them 10 times or more.
    The bottom line is when SpaceX can launch for less money than Roscosmos.   So far it can't.

    The problem is that SpaceX has secure funding while Roscosmos is constantly subject to budget cuts and corruption. The falcon rockets have already been launched while the angara is constantly postponed. That means that SpaceX has a head start in maturing and perfecting reusable rocket technology.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:59 am

    SpaceX is only "secured" due to constant tax excemptions from the government, borrowing of technology from others (so little funds went to it) and the fact that most of Elon Musk's company is barely functioning on budget (actually, more like deficits). And in the end, SpaceX rocket really isn't all that cheap. A lot of claims, but they can "make it cheap" due to what I mentioned above. A really good story of success when there really wasn't a whole lot. Remove all of that, and force SpaceX to actually do all the R&D themselves, and they would have problems.

    Roscosmos faces issues of course. But believe it or not, it is now listed as a state run company. So guess what? It is now operating no different than the other companies like Virgin and SpaceX (besides it being still owned by the government). But the whole business practice behind it is now the same. Thing is, they still have to actually design stuff and not borrow it.


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