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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:49 am

    Kazakh media can mean anything.  This could be a western media group that operates in Kazakhstan.  So don't blame Kazakhstan for it.

    As said, if it is such a problem, Kazakhstan can just not have any signed agreements.  But it will take a toll on Kazakhstans economy.  We know that the authorities of the nation is pushing for Sunkar so obviously they are wanting it.

    Article contradicts itself too near the end about how they are bitching about it being like a barn - leasing it but not doing anything with it.  At same time, about using it causes problems.

    It is just one of those western media bullshit about nothing.

    As most Kazakhs would know, is that the spaceport is partially Russias responsibility but it is also of Kazakhstans authorities as well. And the areas around it are not Russia's responsibility at all. You can always find useful idiots, even in Russia, who write things that are retarded. Notice how it mentioned "Bloggers"? Yeah.

    Anyway, no one should take it to heart. Because the Kazakh authorities would tell these people the need for it. That Kazakhstan would be simply an oil and gas nation with nothing else if it wasn't for it.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:54 am

    BBC playing its standard British meddling to initiate ethnic strife for national gain.

    Why is it Russia's fault that some idiot managed to get himself killed while putting out a grass fire in a semi-arid zone. This
    is a Darwin Award winner and not some martyr of Russian "oppression".



    How the f*ck did this moron manage to die with so little grass to burn? The whole story smells. It is more plausible
    that he was helped into the after life to create this fake news story.

    Also, grass fires are natural in savannas. Why was he even trying to put out the fire in the first place. It would
    burn itself out. Note that if this is a debris landing zone there would be no reason to save any grass for fodder since it
    is contaminated with N2H4.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:09 pm

    They are making out a story from nothing. A guy was putting out fires, it was his own choice or he was told to do it. Either way, it shouldn't be happening. And yes, areas where they are not to be operating are areas that are where debris land. A lot of it is calculated prior.

    So none of that is Russia's fault. It is the fault of Kazakhs and their stupidity. But of course, a lot of these people don't like blaming themselves but others. Russia is an easy target.

    They would be crying pretty darn hard if Russia decided to pull out of their nation economically. It would nearly devastate them.

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    title: Why we have a non-flying rocket ,and deserted spaceport. (which is the FACT !)
    https://geektimes.ru/post/289555/

    Answer: money

    Here is one folks from USA ask: Why we still have non-flying SLS rocket and 5 canceled manned programs (at least)?

    Answer is the same: money

    [/quote]


    NO..
    The problems with Russia space program is not money , but total incompetence instead.
    Russia waste A LOT , A LOT OF MONEY in Garbage NATIONALISM and ethnic pride ,and worship of the fucking past achievements,instead of using the money in things that can move forward humanity in technology and space.

    at the moment the bastard Putin , have spent 52$$ billions in Sochi +12$$ billions in olympic parks for FIFA 2018 and a 250$$ billions in a stupid faster train to China. So thats how much?
    52+12+250= 314$$ billions DOLLARS !!! no go tell me Russia have no money.. it have a lot of
    money , but the monkey president waste them in totally USELESS things that will not help Russia in any way to stop or convince Americans economic siege on Russia.  No

    If just 30% of that money was used instead for Russia Space program. that will be around
    ~close to 100$$ Billions dollars extra for the Russian space program. This is enough to boost 10x fold the investment in Russia space program every year for no less than 5 years!!!!
    So that way the monkey president can still have in monkey sports events and at same time
    start a major Industrial revolution in Space . to make Russia the world leader in Space , space tourism and as a bonus it will help Russia nation security in space too. By having its own space station with space shuttle program operating . that can be used for military purposes too.


    So think about that.. what can 100$$ Billions dollars do in Space for Russia???
    Russia space program budget is around 2$$ billions per year. So compare 2 vs 100
    and you will see how there is A LOT of money , and people need to stop defending
    that fucking moron President ,that waste Russia money in bullshit sports and olympics.
    as if that garbage could help Russia become a more development nation. but not. a more mediocre economy instead .this is what Sports promote. one that money move from one hand to another without nothing being created. But space creates technology. the computer/robotic industry for civilian use ,completely transform nations and move it forward decades.
    Putin economic model move Russia backward decades. Because does not takes into account
    that is ALREADY in an undeclared war imposed by the west and they do NOTHING to stop it.
    by ignoring the need for Russia, to be transformed into an alternative for United states.

    This was also told by German Companies in St Peterburg interview. The solution of Russia
    to end its economic problems is an INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. not healthy sports bullshit ,
    neither leading in cleaning toilets or selling more potatoes that any other country.
    but in business that very few can compete for being too advanced and too difficult and that everyone consider the best .

    Soviet Space program was far more ambitions than the one Russia have today, it have
    rovers in the moon , landers on venus ,Landers on mars. Traveling around the dark side of the
    moon ,you name it. heck they even had a Space Shuttle flying. But then came this Moronic
    Retarded President ,and the priority of space went down to hell . and was replaced for the
    Stupid "healthy sports" and "healthy food".  No

    Putin not even know how to use internet and computers and need to ask his daughter for that ,according to himself. So how in hell that Moron is allowed to continue leading Russia future if the fucking moron not even use or understand how to use a computer or use internet?

    How could a nation like Russia become ever a leader in the world in technology ,
    if it ruled by the most moronic incompetent and insecure person in the world ?
    People don't understand how important leadership is for a country. if you have a bad leader
    that not even know how to use a computer or internet.  No

    This is not a small issue ,this is a big one, because when he negotiate a budget , he will prefer
    to waste Russian people money in healthy stupid sports , in running olympics and not in things that really matters . things that can change the entire world. Sochi does not change the world ,
    at best it will only promote tourism when there are sports events..  But what change the world
    is Silicon Valley , It is Space Programs like the one soviets have. thats what change a nation and help it to eclipse all others. It is Putin the Biggest fucking problem RUssian have in the world.. He is patriotic ,but he delays Russia nation development for decades ,by focusing
    the money of its budget on totally useless and irrelevant things. like financing pensions
    of world war 2 veterans in Israel and baltics , or like spending a hundred of billions dollars in sports.and Hundred(s) of billions in SUper fast trains to china. etc etc etc. Totally moronic
    decisions ,that allows Americans dominating the world in technology and in stealing the show
    in space ,thanks to an Imbecile President  like Putin is.

    So is not Money the problem. There is a LOT of money ,that Putin the Moron waste in
    nationalist activities ,like Olympics ,victory parades and charity to people that not even live in Russia. But when it comes to the REAL stuff, that could help Russia to boost its nation development and become leaders in the world ,in where it really matters. then the moron
    goes and cut the funding for it. If Putin was not wasting Russia budget in so much bullshit
    then RUssia will be already today a 100% independent nation from the west from US and Europe and with bases in the moon and mars. The Dinosaur Fucking MORON Putin don't have a Fucking clue of what he is doing by allowing Americans to steal the show in space and technology and entertainment. Is like observing a man taking the candies of a baby. You just want to beat the hell of him. So he is a traitor ,for being a MORON that do not see the consequences of his actions.  The monkey President still don't understand today , that there are other much more effective ways to influence your enemies than with every year building better nukes. The best way to defeat Americans world fascist police state ,is by a leader helping Russia to become a very advanced developed nation,fully independent in modern civilian technology that everyone wants to spend their hard earned money ,and to become unquestionable leaders in space ,second to none..

    landing one time in the moon or mars for real with humans ,not fake movies ,and creating a base there. Will have the weight of X100 Sochi olympics. Since every day ,people around the world will just log on internet to see Russia achievements in space and the value for tourism
    or advertising and for space creating millions of new high tech jobs is just impossible to measure.

    So hopefully that moron Putin will recognize he suck big time ,and not run again for president and someone else with Passion for state of the art technology that could change the planet for civilian use and space take his place.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:29 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    NO..
    The problems with Russia space program is not money , but total incompetence instead.
    Russia waste A LOT , A LOT OF MONEY in Garbage NATIONALISM and ethnic pride ,and worship of the fucking past achievements,instead of using the money in things that can move forward humanity in technology and space.

    at the moment the bastard Putin , have spent 52$$ billions in Sochi +12$$ billions in olympic parks for FIFA 2018 and a 250$$ billions in a stupid faster train to China. So thats how much?
    52+12+250= 314$$ billions DOLLARS !!! no go tell me Russia have no money.. it have a lot of
    money , but the monkey president waste them in totally USELESS things that will not help Russia in any way to stop or convince Americans economic siege on Russia.  No

    If just 30% of that money was used instead for Russia Space program. that will be around
    ~close to 100$$ Billions dollars extra for the Russian space program. This is enough to boost 10x fold the investment in Russia space program every year for no less than 5 years!!!!
    So that way the monkey president can still have in monkey sports events and at same time
    start a major Industrial revolution in Space . to make Russia the world leader in Space , space tourism and as a bonus it will help Russia nation security in space too. By having its own space station with space shuttle program operating . that can be used for military purposes too.


    So think about that.. what can 100$$ Billions dollars do in Space for Russia???
    Russia space program budget is around 2$$ billions per year. So compare 2 vs 100
    and you will see how there is A LOT of money , and people need to stop defending
    that fucking moron President ,that waste Russia money in bullshit sports and olympics.
    as if that garbage could help Russia become a more development nation. but not. a more mediocre economy instead .this is what Sports promote. one that money move from one hand to another without nothing being created. But space creates technology. the computer/robotic industry for civilian use ,completely transform nations and move it forward decades.
    Putin economic model move Russia backward decades. Because does not takes into account
    that is ALREADY in an undeclared war imposed by the west and they do NOTHING to stop it.
    by ignoring the need for Russia, to be transformed into an alternative for United states.

    This was also told by German Companies in St Peterburg interview. The solution of Russia
    to end its economic problems is an INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. not healthy sports bullshit ,
    neither leading in cleaning toilets or selling more potatoes that any other country.
    but in business that very few can compete for being too advanced and too difficult and that everyone consider the best .

    Soviet Space program was far more ambitions than the one Russia have today, it have
    rovers in the moon , landers on venus ,Landers on mars. Traveling around the dark side of the
    moon ,you name it. heck they even had a Space Shuttle flying. But then came this Moronic
    Retarded President ,and the priority of space went down to hell . and was replaced for the
    Stupid "healthy sports" and "healthy food".  No

    Putin not even know how to use internet and computers and need to ask his daughter for that ,according to himself. So how in hell that Moron is allowed to continue leading Russia future if the fucking moron not even use or understand how to use a computer or use internet?

    How could a nation like Russia become ever a leader in the world in technology ,
    if it ruled by the most moronic incompetent and insecure person in the world ?
    People don't understand how important leadership is for a country. if you have a bad leader
    that not even know how to use a computer or internet.  No

    This is not a small issue ,this is a big one, because when he negotiate a budget , he will prefer
    to waste Russian people money in healthy stupid sports , in running olympics and not in things that really matters . things that can change the entire world. Sochi does not change the world ,
    at best it will only promote tourism when there are sports events..  But what change the world
    is Silicon Valley , It is Space Programs like the one soviets have. thats what change a nation and help it to eclipse all others. It is Putin the Biggest fucking problem RUssian have in the world.. He is patriotic ,but he delays Russia nation development for decades ,by focusing
    the money of its budget on totally useless and irrelevant things. like financing pensions
    of world war 2 veterans in Israel and baltics , or like spending a hundred of billions dollars in sports.and Hundred(s) of billions in SUper fast trains to china. etc etc etc. Totally moronic
    decisions ,that allows Americans dominating the world in technology and in stealing the show
    in space ,thanks to an Imbecile President  like Putin is.

    So is not Money the problem. There is a LOT of money ,that Putin the Moron waste in
    nationalist activities ,like Olympics ,victory parades and charity to people that not even live in Russia. But when it comes to the REAL stuff, that could help Russia to boost its nation development and become leaders in the world ,in where it really matters. then the moron
    goes and cut the funding for it. If Putin was not wasting Russia budget in so much bullshit
    then RUssia will be already today a 100% independent nation from the west from US and Europe and with bases in the moon and mars. The Dinosaur Fucking MORON Putin don't have a Fucking clue of what he is doing by allowing Americans to steal the show in space and technology and entertainment. Is like observing a man taking the candies of a baby. You just want to beat the hell of him. So he is a traitor ,for being a MORON that do not see the consequences of his actions.  The monkey President still don't understand today , that there are other much more effective ways to influence your enemies than with every year building better nukes. The best way to defeat Americans world fascist police state ,is by a leader helping Russia to become a very advanced developed nation,fully independent in modern civilian technology that everyone wants to spend their hard earned money ,and to become unquestionable leaders in space ,second to none..

    landing one time in the moon or mars for real with humans ,not fake movies ,and creating a base there. Will have the weight of X100 Sochi olympics. Since every day ,people around the world will just log on internet to see Russia achievements in space and the value for tourism
    or advertising and for space creating millions of new high tech jobs is just impossible to measure.

    So hopefully that moron Putin will recognize he suck big time ,and not run again for president and someone else with Passion for state of the art technology that could change the planet for civilian use and space take his place.

    Started reading...  got up to "bastard Putin"....  stopped right there...

    Life is too short to bother with this crap.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:47 pm

    Zak is back.... with an article on how Nauka was being considered for abandonment....

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/iss-fgb2-mlm-2014.html

    ..which of course didn't happen and won't happen. This guy is such a libtard cuck... no article on the Fenix/Sunkar at Baikonur and Federation LEO flights, or on Fenix-based SHLV for 2030, but he can devote effort into an article to once more put the worse possible face forward on the Russian space program and rip off the scabs of the Nauka fiasco simply to indulge his fetishes...

    Any doubts I had about this twat are now dispelled... what a clown....
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:07 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Zak is back....  with an article on how Nauka was being considered for abandonment....

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/iss-fgb2-mlm-2014.html

    ..which of course didn't happen and won't happen.  This guy is such a libtard cuck...  no article on the Fenix/Sunkar at Baikonur and Federation LEO flights, or on Fenix-based SHLV for 2030, but he can devote effort into an article to once more put the worse possible face forward on the Russian space program and rip off the scabs of the Nauka fiasco simply to indulge his fetishes...

    Any doubts I had about this twat are now dispelled...  what a clown....

    He does not deliver any details about how "serious" the "contamination" is. The lack of details or even an effort to reason out what they are tells me
    that this piece is a political hatchet attack and not analysis. The ISS modules are old and coming to the end of their operational lives for every segment
    and not just the Russian one. Looks to me like the contamination is not serious enough and Nauka will be allowed to expire together with the other
    elements of the ISS.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:13 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/94880/

    New Russian nano-satellite was delivered into orbit

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Rmf on Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:13 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    title: Why we have a non-flying rocket ,and deserted spaceport. (which is the FACT !)
    https://geektimes.ru/post/289555/

    Answer: money

    Here is one folks from USA ask: Why we still have non-flying SLS rocket and 5 canceled manned programs (at least)?

    Answer is the same: money




    NO..
    The problems with Russia space program is not money , but total incompetence instead.
    Russia waste A LOT , A LOT OF MONEY in Garbage NATIONALISM and ethnic pride ,and worship of the fucking past achievements,instead of using the money in things that can move forward humanity in technology and space.

    at the moment the bastard Putin , have spent 52$$ billions in Sochi +12$$ billions in olympic parks for FIFA 2018 and a 250$$ billions in a stupid faster train to China. So thats how much?
    52+12+250= 314$$ billions DOLLARS !!! no go tell me Russia have no money.. it have a lot of
    money , but the monkey president waste them in totally USELESS things that will not help Russia in any way to stop or convince Americans economic siege on Russia.  No

    If just 30% of that money was used instead for Russia Space program. that will be around
    ~close to 100$$ Billions dollars extra for the Russian space program. This is enough to boost 10x fold the investment in Russia space program every year for no less than 5 years!!!!
    So that way the monkey president can still have in monkey sports events and at same time
    start a major Industrial revolution in Space . to make Russia the world leader in Space , space tourism and as a bonus it will help Russia nation security in space too. By having its own space station with space shuttle program operating . that can be used for military purposes too.


    So think about that.. what can 100$$ Billions dollars do in Space for Russia???.

    yes vann.
    there are many interest groups in moscow and putin balances between them. 5th column 6th column whatever . and that shows in russian crippled space program too.
    great wasted chanse to use resurected nk-33 and its modifications, which amerikans aerojet already payed for  in order to use in antares!!!
    expert opinion:
    Несложные баллистические расчеты показывают, что при замене РД-191 на НК-33-1 "Ангара1.2" выводит на низкую околоземную орбиту на 160 кг (т.е. на 4.32%) больше. Стоит ли ломать копья
    из-за такой прибавки - судить не нам, а разработчикам ракеты и их заказчикам. Однако это ведь для
    легкой ракеты, исходная масса ПГ которой составляет всего 3.7 т. Вот если рассмотреть улучшение
    характеристик среднего и тяжелого вариантов "Ангары", где установка НК-33-1 на центральном блоке
    была бы особенно выгодна… Но, к сожалению, из-за недоступности [для нас] циклограммы выведения
    на орбиту в настоящее время это не представляется возможным.
    nk-331 could compete with rd-191 from get go.
    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6618/46980979.88/0_b0f33_b105b5ca_orig

    nk-33 was sold for 4 mill per engine -25.000$ per tonn of thrust , and nk-331 would lower that to 20.000$.

    unlike expencive rd-191 36.000$ / t . massive difference.
    also assembly of URM in Omsk  was tragic mistake as URM cant be transported by rail as is common everywhere.
    instead of transport integration- assemble light URM in blagoveshchensk or habarovsk already on amur in far east , and then transport to vostochny. you could easily transport NK-331 engines from sammara on volga ,and kerosine and oxygen tanks from omsk, to there and then complete URM build.
    vostochny is remote place people dont get it.
    heavy urm could be made in north perm ,not in moscow ,so you can rail transport from perm to archangelsk - arctic ocean- pacific- amur river- zeya river- svobodny.
    that way you already use rocket factories .
    this way its a mess- increased number of rocket types, transport mess ,workforce mess , increased costs , control problems ,blown money,...
    already angara and vostochny is called - dolgostroj - i suggest you reasearch what that word means in russian .

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:12 pm

    My apologies for my Insults to Putin.. but is so depressing and so Frustrating ,
    to see What Putin is doing to Russia. he is in the wrong position , he should not be President
    at all , his job should be better as advisor in diplomacy and NOTHING ELSE. Thats the only place
    he have done a positive contribution. But since he came to power , All Putin economic strategy
    have been to make Russia ,just like Obama told it,  A Gas station. A Super energy exporter by
    controlling all the energy Europe use. I find myself agreeing with the 5th column Kudrin at times. The Russia energy business in Oil and Gas needs to be privatized in 100% ,sell it all,as soon at the earliest possible. And Switch its Economy to Space and ...OR.. , Semiconductor Industry or BOTH ,and Entertainment technology industry.. ie.. VIDEO GAMES. This is the most profitable business in the world right now . The only Industry that survived the world economic slowdown.

    Why Russia needs to abandon it ,trainsition to some new energy? Because Americans will continue forever now attacking it. To keep oil prices very low ,by flooding the market with fracking . and they can keep doing it for very long.   and so Russia needs to move to a new source of energy , whether Electrical ,solar energy , hydrogen driven cars. it needs to create a revolution in energy that brings down Saudi Arabia and all middle east. This will significant'y wipe out US economy to a regional power and end the business of financing terrorism too.  But what Putin does is horrible. He Helps American Petro dollar business and help terrorism indirectly by promoting the dependence of the world in oil .natural or liquid gas.

    So Russia economy should be transformed to a one of very advanced Technology one ,focused in Space , new form of energy and entertainment. and with the help of BRICS push for a new internet. thats how Russia stop United States without firing a shot. by creating a new alternative to the world created by Americans. And NOT by promoting American leadership in the world. Is not more Sochi medals ,FIFA medals what Russia needs. But BUSINESS MEDALS
    instead ,what will promote REAL patriotism. This is making Russia a 100% independent nation its economy ,its technology and business.  If Russia tomorrow become a fully independent future looking development nation in the world ,it will totally destroy the American World and its banking system. Because for the first time ,Russia will offer something new.. an ALTERNATIVE system. And Europeans will see ,they no longer needs to follow the american system because Russia one is better and do not interfere in their politics but promote instead
    independence and competition instead . What the american world promotes is Dependence on them. total submission of every other nation and total domination of them ,on the most popular business for society. And Putin allows it ,because the monkey President focus its economy in
    totally irrelevant things like winning Olympics , victory parades ,and worship of the past.
    So wrong . For the only reason Russia have not yet collapsed is because it have amazing talent on scientist and engineers that have been able to boost Russia military to the level of NATO if not better. But it shouldnt be that way . Russia can influence with space too ,and technology.
    and the Simian President is not taking a real advantage of it.

    Soviets in the 60s have way more influence than Russia today. even the queen of england
    wanted to shake hands with Gagarin . lol1



    Games industry to earn $108.9 billion in 2017

    https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/the-global-games-market-will-reach-108-9-billion-in-2017-with-mobile-taking-42/

    This are the missing opportunities of the Monkey president. he is happy with sports and allow
    Americans to steal the show and win the hearts of the entire world , with Apple ,AMD ,Microsoft and Intel ,and controlling the internet. and the entertainment industry but later he don't understand why no one takes Russia interest in the world seriously ,why no nation listen Russia. No


    A lesson Mr Putin ,nobody have told him ,is that Respect is something that nations need to
    earn ,and is never earned for free. He calls UN ,NATO and the American world unfair ,but
    he does NOTHING serious to counter it or offer an alternative. Laughing

    The Euro Asian CHina economic belt.. this is what now Putin trying to push .Rolling Eyes
    As if nations will want to join such alliance of failed states in Asia that produce nothing
    they want. No Who will abandon the american technology world ,to join India or Pakistan or IRAN? or China new system? Rolling Eyes

    This is what is so frustrating , to see Putin taking Russia towards a dead end ,
    with a high potential to fall from a rift .Because Putin what is doing is taking the easy road.
    and not offering competition a challenge to the Americans in their own Business ,the ones they have very little competition if none. So im clueless why Americans wants to get rid of Putin ,
    since as long as Putin is in power , Russia WILL NEVER have a chance ,not even close ,to compete with United States influence in the world.

    My only hopes with Russia is that he abandon politics and
    someone else take his place. unfortunately Medvedev is bad too. he is even more weaker.
    Perhaps it will be a good time for Russians to elect a foreigner as President? Because
    in the public view , Putin have surrounded himself with equally incompetent people as
    he is if not worse. . It worked very well with Catherine the great. Ellon Musk will get my vote.. but ideally someone if Nikola Tesla could be returned back to life ,he will be the ultimate leader. he did have some vision for the future. Smile












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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:29 am

    Rmf wrote:[
    vostochny is remote place people dont get it.
    heavy urm could be made in north perm ,not in moscow ,so you can rail transport from perm to archangelsk - arctic ocean- pacific- amur river- zeya river- svobodny.
    that way you already use rocket factories .
    this way its a mess- increased number of rocket types, transport mess ,workforce mess , increased costs , control problems ,blown money,...
    already angara and vostochny is called - dolgostroj - i suggest you reasearch what that word means in russian .

    I do think Russia needs its own space station , because it cannot wait for another Euromaidan
    to take care of Kazakistan government and repeat the Ukraine scenario. That will be catastrophic
    bad for Russia. And the problems are all the same. Is Putin the problem with Russia.
    His lack of vision ,his lack of ambitious goals , his absolute lack of understanding about
    what leadership is , how Americans influence the world ,and why Europeans follows them
    no matter what instead of forming an alliance with Russia. It all goes back to Russia
    lack of leadership in the world, Lack of Influence , Not being an alternative to United States.
    And while people will claim that Russia can't be US.. bla bla bla.. what Russia needs to be is better than US , and become an alternative to many of their business. Just look at Japan..
    japan is way more popular for technology than US.. and competes very very well with American business. Its automobile industry is actually superior than the American one. They have their own space program and they even producing a stealth plane. Russia needs to look at what Japan is doing right. their profitable business. and not do the things they doing bad.

    But before becoming a technology modern power , Russia needs to create an alternative
    Banking system ,with Alternative payment system. and they are already moving at least in that direction. but also an alternative internet. They should push for a world wide satellite internet
    because once Americans notice , Russia will finally compete for leadership in the world ,then Russia will become disconnected from Internet and banking system too. so it needs to prepare
    the batlefield for a Business fight with Americans. that is where Russia needs to fight ,in developing alternative business . So Once Europeans and other NATO countries see that Russia
    in combination perhaps with CHINA can be an alternative to US Business leadership. then the collapse of the American Empire will happen overnight. and it will be good for everyone including Americans citizens ,since their government will need to follow a policy of peace in the world for first time if it doesn't want to be isolated from the planet.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:52 am

    MOSCOW, June 16. /TASS/. Russia’s cargo spacecraft Progress MS-06 has automatically docked to the service module Zvezda of the International Space Station, Mission Control near Moscow said.

    Read also
    Russia launches Progress MS-06 space freighter to world’s sole orbiter

    Russian cosmonaut Fyodor Yurchikhin monitored the process and was ready to intervene manually, if need be. After the airlock has been checked and pressure inside the spacecraft and ISS equalized the crew will begin to unload the cargo vehicle.


    More:
    http://tass.com/science/951794


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:18 am

    Rmf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:........  clown pwnd drunken ..........

    ..........   drunken pwnd  clown    ............ .


    lol1

    Observing Vann and Rmf communicate is pretty much like....

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Rmf on Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:36 am

    but nk -33s came from a decade of intense research, with lots of funding, testing, and best engineers working on it, its not some dumb luck ,by chance, engine.

    people forget that.

    it was meant to be man-rated , to be used in clusters with other engines , to be mass produced - just 1 N1 rocket had 36 engines (30-1st stage , 6 -2nd stage), just refine it and get going.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:55 am


    Concept art of Soyuz-5 (not by Zak!) Cool



    Two engines per core.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:32 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Concept art of Soyuz-5 (not by Zak!) Cool



    Two engines per core.

    So the Soyuz-5 is not based on the Sunkar replacement for Zenit. The Zenit uses the RD-171. A replacement for Zenit
    is supposed to use the RD-170M. The Rus-M was supposed to use the RD-180 engine for each module.

    Wikicrappia has the Soyuz-5 using liquid methane and LOX:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-5_(rocket)

    So it has nothing in common with the Sunkar project or Rus-M.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  gaurav on Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:54 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Observing Vann and Rmf communicate is pretty much like....


                 
    Deputy PM instructed german magazine not to worry about Russian space program.
                 



               
    Rogozin Quoted " performance in Space sector excellent"

    Какая трогательная забота. Отвечу: на этот декабрь запланированы 2 пуска Союза-2. Со
    следующего года количество пусков будет ежегодно увеличиваться. Также в 2018 году начнется
    строительство стартового комплекса для "тяжелой" Ангары А5М с пуском в 2021 году, сразу после
    этого будет построен третий комплекс - для сверхтяжелой ракеты. Что касается Байконура, то мы
    его бросать не собирались никогда. Позавчера мы согласовали с Казахстаном строительство комплекса
    для ракеты среднего класса с пуском в 2022 году. Так что пусть немецкие товарищи не переживают.




    Not to worry about Russian



    Diewelt published "The new cosmodrome should provide Russia with free access to space from its own territory.
    But so far nothing has come of it, "the publication wrote.



    Rogozin advised German comrades not to worry about Russian space program



    In the German magazine Der Spiegel an article illustrating the problems of the Russian space industry, and
    in particular, the lack of its full-fledged cosmodrome came out. The Vice Prime Minister reassured the German journalists,
    replying that in Russia things were going well in this branch.

    According to him, two launches from the "Vostochny" cosmodrome are planned for the end of this year and further
    this indicator will increase. In the near future the construction of a complex for the "heavy" Angara A5M by 2021,
    and after it the construction of a complex for a superheavy rocket will begin.

    "As for Baikonur, we never wanted to leave it," Rogozin wrote on Facebook.

    Best for the last...
    He said sarcastically, calling such care "touching."



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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:20 pm


    kvs wrote:.
    ............
    So the Soyuz-5 is not based on the Sunkar replacement for Zenit. The Zenit uses the RD-171. A replacement for Zenit
    is supposed to use the RD-170M. The Rus-M was supposed to use the RD-180 engine for each module.

    Wikicrappia has the Soyuz-5 using liquid methane and LOX:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-5_(rocket)

    So it has nothing in common with the Sunkar project or Rus-M.


    I think you are jumping the gun here a bit. This is just concept art and Wikipedia is pile of trash especially when it comes to Russian space program or current or upcoming events.

    Soyuz-5 is both.

    Until solid data comes up it's all speculation.







    gaurav wrote:. .........

    Diewelt published "The new cosmodrome should provide Russia with free access to space from its own territory.
    But so far nothing has come of it, "the publication wrote.
    ............

    Fucking "journalists" Rolling Eyes

    Here I can do the same thing, watch:

    Last year Germany announced that they will start developing new tank that is supposed to provide Germany with replacement for Leopard-2 tank. But so far nothing has come of it, the PapaDragon wrote.

    See, I can into journalism good!!! Cool

    These morons think that this stuff is done over weekend?
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:20 am

    kvs wrote:
    So the Soyuz-5 is not based on the Sunkar replacement for Zenit.   The Zenit uses the RD-171.   A replacement for Zenit
    is supposed to use the RD-170M.   The Rus-M was supposed to use the RD-180 engine for each module.

    Wikicrappia has the Soyuz-5 using liquid methane and LOX:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-5_(rocket)

    So it has nothing in common with the Sunkar project or Rus-M.

    Nah, I think its a certainty that Energias new Soyuz-5 configuration is going to be based around a Zenit replacement. The original Soyuz-5 was proposed to be powered by methalox engines burning LNG (cheap & plentiful, and doesn't cause coking so makes re-use easier) but its been "re-imagined" since to fit in with the Sunkar/Fenix requirements.

    Whether Sunkar/Fenix will be realised with a single 4-chamber RD-171M or a pair of 2-chamber RD-180 variants, its probably too early to know for sure, but its looking to be a conventional kerolox engined launcher.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:53 am


    Flight tests of Russia’s new carrier rocket may start before 2022

    http://tass.com/science/952323



    Russia to increase number of Soyuz launches 50% in 2018

    http://tass.com/science/952084
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  kvs on Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:22 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:.
    ............
    So the Soyuz-5 is not based on the Sunkar replacement for Zenit. The Zenit uses the RD-171. A replacement for Zenit
    is supposed to use the RD-170M. The Rus-M was supposed to use the RD-180 engine for each module.

    Wikicrappia has the Soyuz-5 using liquid methane and LOX:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz-5_(rocket)

    So it has nothing in common with the Sunkar project or Rus-M.


    I think you are jumping the gun here a bit. This is just concept art and Wikipedia is pile of trash especially when it comes to Russian space program or current or upcoming events.

    Soyuz-5 is both.

    Until solid data comes up it's all speculation.

    You don't know that the Soyuz-5 has four engines and the Wiki hypothesis is just as good as any other.
    So cut the gratuitous criticism. Why would Russian companies work on methane engine development if
    they were not going to use them.

    It is clear that there will be an RD-170M based Zenit replacement and Energia is interested in making
    it the base module of an Angara type modular heavy lifter. The Soyuz-5 is man delivery vehicle that
    does not need to Sunkar parts. They could base it on the Angara.






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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:07 pm


    It was clearly stated that "Zenit-replacement", "Sunkar" and "Fenix" are all just different names for Soyuz-5 (with "Fenix" just being overall project codename​)

    There will be differences​ between Sunkar (which has different name for the sole reason of satisfying Kazakh unwarranted ego), SeaLaunch version and stock Soyuz-5 but they will be minor and solely the result of using different spaceports.

    Same situation as with Soyuz rockets that are launched from Baikonur and Kurou. There are slight differences between the two but both are basically same platform.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:31 am


    Russia's Soyuz-2.1v Blasts Off From Plesetsk With Military Spacecraft Aboard

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201706231054928524-russia-plesetsk-military-spacecraft-soyuz/

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