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    Fake Moon landings

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:26 am

    opps american SpaceX rocket ...have a problem.  Smile

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    Post  Mike E on Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:29 am

    Haha.... - Remember that SpaceX isn't NASA, so this technically isn't an "American" failure. I have to admit that I'm a huge fan od both SpaceX and Elon Musk....

    If you want to go see a failure in the making, look at that trash that NASA calls the "Space Launch System"!

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:06 am

    Mike E wrote:Haha.... - Remember that SpaceX isn't NASA, so this technically isn't an "American" failure. I have to admit that I'm a huge fan od both SpaceX and Elon Musk....If you want to go see a failure in the making, look at that trash that NASA calls the "Space Launch System"!


    I really think the whole Moon Landing was all staged and faked.. this is the opinion of many respected Americans scientist. even though many things have been explained ,still there are clear contradiction and issues. The fact that NASA depends highly on Russia Space technology for any manned mission but also to send their military satellites into space. Put into question the whole apolo program.. That they were able to go there ~12 times to the moon and return back in the 60's without a single problem.. it never happened. They staged the whole thing to "win the space race" But now more than 40 years later.. they cannot send astronauts to the International Space station without Russia help. This is why in my book the space race never finished.. And will be truly mind blowing anyone do it for the first time..specially if do it Russia.. because will show how different is the moon gravity to what we saw in Apolo videos. Cool 
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    Post  Mike E on Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:27 am

    I'm one who believe that they did land on the Moon, but like anyone who knows about the Space Race, gives most of the credit to Von Braun and the Germans...

    Technically the Space Race ended in 75', but of course the real winners were the Soviets!
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:39 am

    Mike E wrote:I'm one who believe that they did land on the Moon, but like anyone who knows about the Space Race, gives most of the credit to Von Braun and the Germans...

    Technically the Space Race ended in 75', but of course the real winners were the Soviets!

    The US won the Moon Race, but the Soviets won the Space race. The US had made progress in last 20 years of similiar projects what Soviets did in Cold war. Good tho some newer projects were made during a time Russia was bankrupt by Jelzin the drunk Jew.
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    Post  Mike E on Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:32 am

    Even that is arguable... After all, the USSR conducted the first orbit and "crash" on the Moon. Obviously the US won the "manned Moon Race", and I'm willing to admit that they won the "Moon Race" in general.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:33 pm

    Not to mention the first robotic vehicle on the moon... the first view of the dark side of the moon... the side we never see on earth because it always faces the other way...

    Amusing fact... the US astronauts let prisms on the moon that are specially designed to reflect lasers from the earth so scientists on the earth can point powerful lasers at the moon and get very precise distances to the moon.

    A short while back the rover the Soviets sent to the moon was found and when lasers were pointed at it its laser prism returned a much better signal than the ones left by the astronauts...

    You can read about it here:

    http://www.space.com/20865-soviet-moon-rover-lunokhod-laser.html

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    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/03jun_oldrover/


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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:26 pm

    a Laser can bounce in the moon without the need of any traveling at all or any reflector. The moon landing was a 100% hoax. to achieve a victory after soviets were so far ahead in the space race.the photos faked.. This is told by experts in photography and that also used the astronauts camera.. that understand how photography works..

    IF US ever flew to the moon why they depend now of Russia to travel to space? Because is "too expensive"?
    The US build a nuclear submarine or two every year.. and aircraft carriers non stop.. yet they do not find money
    to reactive the saturn rockets and use them to send man to the ISS.  Rolling Eyes  And why NASA stopped sending people to the moon when their economy was all time high ? they got bored?  Rolling Eyes It seems ludicrous that after they land
    in the moon ~12 times.. without problem and suddenly they say.. ok lets stop.. this  and no more space travel..Shocked

    Thats Non sense. If the americans ever flew to the moon.. they will have continue going and develop a moon base and from there to mars.. or simply mining in the moon for helium-3.. it will be like if when Spain discover America and discover many places.. suddenly says.. ok no more..thats enough . they simply did not returned because they never landed there.. and they could not continue with the fake ..

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    Post  Mike E on Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:29 am

    GarryB wrote:Not to mention the first robotic vehicle on the moon... the first view of the dark side of the moon... the side we never see on earth because it always faces the other way...

    Amusing fact... the US astronauts let prisms on the moon that are specially designed to reflect lasers from the earth so scientists on the earth can point powerful lasers at the moon and get very precise distances to the moon.

    A short while back the rover the Soviets sent to the moon was found and when lasers were pointed at it its laser prism returned a much better signal than the ones left by the astronauts...

    You can read about it here:

    http://www.space.com/20865-soviet-moon-rover-lunokhod-laser.html

    and

    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/03jun_oldrover/

    That too... I think most people forget how much the Soviets actually achieved in the so-called "Space Race".

    Funny, and that proves the US did go there!
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    Post  Mike E on Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:30 am

    Vann7, go watch this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KkSqVmp2SU

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:35 am

    Mike E wrote:Vann7, go watch this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KkSqVmp2SU

    You don't need a manned mission to deploy a reflector in the moon.. Unmanned missions of one way
    without return can do fine..   Wink 

    Russia do have reflectors  in the moon and they never claim they sent humans there..  Cool 

    Found on the Moon: A Soviet Laser Reflector That Was Lost for 40 Years

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/04/27/found-on-the-moon-a-soviet-laser-reflector-that-was-lost-for-40-years/#.U_qrMsPAGUk


    As i told you i have researched well the moon hoax..and have seen everything what every side says..
    Pro hoax.. or they did it..  and the conclusion is overwhelming ..that it was a hoax. the whole thing.

    How will you feel Mike if you win the lottery and become very rich overnight?
    Of course any normal human being will cheer in joy.. right? and people will look at your face and see..
    hey why so happy?  People cannot hide their emotions.. you can lie but your face can't..

    Take a look at the face of neil amstrong and tell me thats normal.. because thats not..
    He is ashamed of himself.. head down.. his body language not only there but in the apolo conference says it
    all. All three of them seemed embarrassed in the conference after return to the moon and nervous to respond any question. They even told that there was nothing new to say..other than what media told.  are you kidding me?  
    They travel the universe ,visit a another world.. and return alive and later say there is nothing new to say in a
    world conference?  Laughing 


    trust me i never have seen so unhappy man ever anywhere than neal the day he supposedly
    returns to the moon.



    see this..  Laughing 



    People who understand body language ,knows they are nervous ,and ashamed in guilt when it was supposed
    to be the best day of their lives ..In the conference you see all the signs that they are nervous..they all look to the sides to answer any question..scratch their necks.. all the signs are there ,they were hiding something that they were ashamed.. Simply ,They never went to the moon..and they could not hide it when they returned. it was a hollywood movie ,done at disney studios.. and later the material from the moon was updated with the unmanned probes to the moon. the only moon lander test they had in earth failed ,neal nearly get a serious accident and still
    NASA send them blindly to their certain death? no way. it will have been an historical embarrassment if they die in the moon. And remembered always for the fail ,for entire generations.  Very Happy  No nation will visit the moon..until they can do the whole travel safely with robots first. Reflectors can be send to any planet without human traveling.. The idea that Americans travel to the moon in the 60's and 70's.. and later no longer find interest in exploring space is non sense. The huge Propaganda and promotion that you can make for your nation by having a space moon station in the moon is worth of the weight of the space rocket in gold.


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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:54 am

    Even if the US were never on the moon, being a hoax or not would have zero effect on reality. Except maybe some hardliners feelings.
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    Post  Mike E on Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:07 am

    True, but there was more than one reflector, plus the Luna reflector was "on craft"...

    The thing is, the US put a ton into the landings, they wouldn't of done that if they were a "hoax". - They developed the Apollo modules, the Saturn rockets etc.

    One awkward persons facial expressions don't mean a thing.

    Besides, Werewolf said it all!

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:10 am

    Werewolf wrote:Even if the US were never on the moon, being a hoax or not would have zero effect on reality. Except maybe some hardliners feelings.

    Actually not.. knowing no one ever landed on the moon.. makes a travel there exciting.  Smile 
    If Russia do it in 2030.. people will be calling it the real moon landing..  Laughing  Russia have plans to do
    mining of Helium-3 which is called the holy grail of free energy. any nation how can extract in large
    quantity that ,will make Huge business in earth. It will replace traditional nuclear reactors with a different technology.

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:14 am

    Mike E wrote:True, but there was more than one reflector, plus the Luna reflector was "on craft"...

    The thing is, the US put a ton into the landings, they wouldn't of done that if they were a "hoax". - They developed the Apollo modules, the Saturn rockets etc.

    One awkward persons facial expressions don't mean a thing.

    Besides, Werewolf said it all!

    you can deploy in the moon a ton plus more of hardware in the moon without sending humans and as many reflectors you want, Russia have 3 remote control rovers in the moon.. but is alright if you want to hold in your belief that man traveled there.  Smile but if you are open for facts ,go watch the movie of the photographer expert
    in the camera that NASA used..posted in last page.. he explained in detail why the original images  were all composed and faked but also give other never known information.

    here is your bored ..many expert ,some that even worked for NASA reveal it was a hoax ..
    I challenge you to see the first 20 min to 30 min of each video and see if your perspective of the moon landing will not change. the information comes from professionals scientist ,engineers and whistleblowers who worked for NASA and have spoken out..about the hoax.. anyone who believe in the moon landing have to see this well presented documented reports..is quite interesting.  Smile 

    Full Analysis of Nasa Lunar Photography


    Environmental Dangers Radiation & The Trouble with Rockets


    For me is interesting and exciting that the manned moon landing never happened because it means that on secret, the race is still on.. and never ended. And is not coincidence that both US and RUssia are targeting the traveling to the moon and mars starting in 2030 with a manned mission. Smile
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    Post  Mike E on Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:32 am

    Sorry, but I'm never going to believe it was a hoax... Billions of dollars spent just to make a movie production? I don't think so....
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:07 am

    Mike E wrote:Sorry, but I'm never going to believe it was a hoax... Billions of dollars spent just to make a movie production? I don't think so....

    Well that is not really an argument.

    Religions are based on pure propaganda and this propaganda is worth trillions.
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    Post  Mike E on Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:17 am

    True, but all that time, resources, money, and innovation all for nothing? You might as well deny that the Saturn V never existed... Von Braun probably would've admitted something in his later days anyway!

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:57 am

    Mike E wrote:Sorry, but I'm never going to believe it was a hoax... Billions of dollars spent just to make a movie production? I don't think so....

    You didn't saw the movie did you? it explain all..
    World image is everything fella.  USA receive many thousands of engineers and scientist  talent world wide
    because they were seen as the top leader nation in technology at that time. There was no "Billions"
    wasted.. the funding for the apollo was ridiculous low.. simple they could not beat the Russians in the space
    Race..and it was very humiliating Soviets taking the lead in space..

    After the moon landing ,US received a huge number of talent world wide, that helped them to lead in technology.

    There was also the Vietnam war going,so the U.S government really needed something to beat Russians and to unite their people. This is not small.. is huge. to  being seen as the world leader in technology ,power and freedom and was really in an competition to prove that capitalism was superior to Communism.. If they allowed Russia to win the space race.. if will have been a major event world wide. .and instead the talent will have went to Russia.
    You know people like technology.. and all that cool stuff. So they pulled the Moon landing trick. This is not said by average people , but real NASA whistleblowers and the video shows you totally compelling evidence that it was a hoax..  The Moon lander.. that neal amstrong had to use to land in the moon.. nearly kill him.. when he tried it on earth..he had to eject almost when the lander crash .. he is alive by miracle.. you really believe that NASA will send people to the moon with machines that they fail to make it to work in earth? No way..  It will have been terribly bad if an astronaut die in the moon and the mission is totally a failure. Will have been the end of any President on top that the world will be laughing for an entire generation of the incident.  It never happened. Former Nasa scientist say it.. and compelling evidence proof it. It should be interesting for you to notice.. Why Americans if the Saturn Rocket was so successful
    that it could travel and return from the moon a dozen of times ..why they cancelled it?  Wink  In a time they economy was all time high. At the same time Russians were using the Soyus ,when americans were using the Saturn rocket.. and guess what?  As it should be the Russians still today use the SOyus rocket.. but for some mysterious reasons. they dropped their "Successful" Saturn V rocket that allegly sent man to the moon many times.  Rolling Eyes  that totally makes no sense. Companies never ditch what works.. the Saturn V was not a good rocket and it never went to the moon in a manned mission,reason why it was canceled.

     The Landing on the moon.. perception ,totally changed the world and all people attention was to America to join them..to make business with them ,to help others in their space program.. etc. This is why Russia needs to takes the lead in space.. and do something big that no one have done ,like a moon manned landing in Moon or Mars.. It will be like a Sochi olympics multiplied by 100 and will have Russia success in the headlines worldwide.  Why you think western media demonized Sochi Olympics? answer.. World image is everything.. it drives your economy ,this is true for capitalism.

    So the plan was brilliant.. Americans first fake a moon landing without spending much money..to beat the Russians
    get the world praising and popularity.. and then after that.. they could simply relax.. and with calm ,just send unmanned rovers to the moon and slowly collect data from the planet ,images ,that they later can use "to proof" that americans landed in the moon. ie.. like the laser reflectors.. or moon soil samples that any unmanned probe can take .Wink  just watch the second video fully..[Environmental Dangers Radiation & The Trouble with Rockets] at least.. and you will be.. in shock.. Suspect  the big holes in the apollo moon program.. 100% a hoax..
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:13 am

    Thats Non sense. If the americans ever flew to the moon.. they will have continue going and develop a moon base and from there to mars.. or simply mining in the moon for helium-3.. it will be like if when Spain discover America and discover many places.. suddenly says.. ok no more..thats enough . they simply did not returned because they never landed there.. and they could not continue with the fake ..

    They stopped sending men to the moon because it was expensive and they had run out of things they needed humans for. A robot is much cheaper and far more expendable a payload and can be designed to do all sorts of experiments.

    they stopped sending people because the fickle general public got bored of space.

    I am pretty sure that it if was a hoax then the Soviets would have done everything in their power to expose it for the hoax it was... and if the US was using all those billions of dollars making a movie... what stopped the Soviets from doing the same?

    Why didn't they just make a movie too and release it earlier?


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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Why didn't they just make a movie too and release it earlier?

    So why they cancel their Saturn V rockets and Russia continues with the Soyus rockets? Thats non sense.. that it was "too expensive" yet , they switch to a much more expensive rocket that exploded many times.. killing dozens of astronauts , now they forgot how to revive their Saturn Program and instead prefer to pay Russia for traveling to the ISS?  Rolling Eyes   US find expensive to use the Saturn V.. then move to something much more incredibly expensive the Space Shuttle program ? and now they have to pay Russia for Soyus rockets  for sending their man to the ISS? Risking being stuck for many years without a space program if Russia choose to ban the use of their engines?
    non sense.. No  You never risk something so important to other nations.. it will be like Russia not developing Glonass satelite navigation because American have GPS.. Space program is super important is not only for space tourism..but also for Nation security ,and for sending military satellites to space and today they depend on Russia for that.  Suspect  totally crazy..   The most logical thing for NASA.. to do.. is if the apollo program was so successful that could travel to the moon with closed eyes and return with people alive , the most logical thing it will have been to continue developing and improving it.. This is exactly what Russia did with their Soyus space rocket. To make it more simpler and more cheaper..if money was their concern.. but instead they canceled the project and started from zero again? with something far more expensive a space shuttle.  Suspect  That defy any logic . There is plenty information there in the videos posted.. IF they wanted something new.. all they had to do is maintain the saturn rocket for reserve.. and start something new.. that way if the new thing fails..they still have a proven technology as backup for manned missions. But that didn't happened. NASA told their alternatives to Russia soyus rocket is to reverse engineer it.. Shocked  or to release something similar. Suspect  There is something really fishy there that they refuse to look back at their classic proven technology and instead prefer to use  Russian space rockets. Smile.
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:24 am

    Wow GarryB! You summed it up in a single post!

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:00 am

    Mike E wrote:Wow GarryB! You summed it up in a single post!

    But he is wrong as always.. that is like 95% of the time he argue with me.

    I am pretty sure that it if was a hoax then the Soviets would have done everything in their power to expose it for the hoax it was... and if the US was using all those billions of dollars making a movie... what stopped the Soviets from doing the same? Why didn't they just make a movie too and release it earlier? wrote:

    Because the soviets actually had a real space program..and no reason to fake.. You fail to realize that the reports
    of the hoax of moon landing do not come from east.. but from americans and British professionals and former NASA employes ,including american astronauts that have doubts of their entire thing. that is people that had no reason to call the moon landing a hoax..  The americans were always good at movies and cameras too and special effects so it will not be possible with Russian technology to fake a moon landing anyway.. Aside that there was no way for Russians to know if the film was fake or not.. they never claimed to visit the moon. but today they know..

    Why not expose NASA fake landing? because they have their secrets too.. Wink
    and perhaps also because they were fooled into the landing hoax too. Before Neil amstrong moon landing stunt
    the soviet union visited the moon with a probe.. so all americans had to do is do the same but with a good movie saying they landed and played golf..and all that..  Laughing

    they will win nothing today in exposing NASA fraud..Yuri Gagarin was not the first man in space...there are reports very credible ones of about 10 others who tried earlier space and did not make it right and had accidents. it will not have been a complete success if they show a man in hospital seriously injured or dead. And apparently Yuri Gagarin wasn't the one who traveled to space when they finally announced it.. but a replacement.. just in case and accident happen ,that they could not lose him. Still stand the fact that the major achievement was done..  

    The difference with Russian space program with NASA one is that it was not a movie..but the real thing.. just that the credit was not given to the right people and that they hided  their accidents ..Yuri Gagarin was chosen to be the man to take the credit because he represented better what the soviet union wanted to show the world. And he deserve the credit too in my opinion because he was trained at the same time of his replacement ,and only removed at the last moment from the mission to not risk his life.


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    Re: Fake Moon landings

    Post  Mike E on Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:27 am

    ...... He seemed to really say all that I've been trying to say. Not only that, but he tends to be right on most issues.

    Your position simply has nothing going for it. You can try and use some YT conspiracy video as proof, but that doesn't mean a thing.

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:46 am

    Mike E wrote:...... He seemed to really say all that I've been trying to say. Not only that, but he tends to be right on most issues.

    Your position simply has nothing going for it. You can try and use some YT conspiracy video as proof, but that doesn't mean a thing.

    So youtube videos cannot be used for any serious investigation? how about Livewire? or You have prefference
    for other services?  or you mean that interviews to Former NASA employees cannot be credible?

    How real evidence should look for you?  A declaration of the President of United states that the apollo landing
    was a hoax? Suspect    I really think any video ,even if it was home made and done in joe's house.. but that show a credible intelligent person with with high credentials ,deserve to be listened .


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