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    Russia's Quest for Hypersonic Aircraft

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:20 pm

    The main effort in the aircraft industry are aimed at creating a hypersonic airplane - expert
    25/08/2009

    Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics (ITAM), Siberian Branch of RAS is involved in a project to develop Russia's reusable Clipper spacecraft, told reporters on Monday the director of IMPA Vasily Fomin.

    "The Institute is involved in the blowing, and in the calculations," - he said at a meeting in preparation for the International Youth Forum innovative, Interra, which will be held in Novosibirsk from 10 to 12 September.

    He also noted that the IMPA is conducting research in the field of hypersonic aircraft.

    "At hypersonic wings are very small, and the fuselage will be an all-body, it will be so-called waveriders, but there is only a draft," - said V. Fomin.

    He also said that in the spring of this year concluded an agreement between ITAM and NAPO im.Chkalova drafted replace riveted joints on the technology of laser welding.

    "We need to get in VIAM (All-Russia Research Institute of Aircraft Materials - IF), they must take it to the test to itself, we now agree with them, and they will do it", - said V. Fomin.

    According to him, the cooperation program with the SB RAS NAPO im. Chkalov provides several areas of cooperation, in particular - as a cold gas dynamic spraying anti-corrosion coating, the use of nanomaterials, etc.

    Meanwhile, in an interview to the Information Agency "Interfax-Siberia" Fomin noted that developments in the aircraft industry is now the technology was developed several decades ago.

    "The ideas were, and materials are not created. But after 40 years, there were composites, the strength better than steel and lighter, and the idea came back to life - for example, wings on the reverse sweep - to combat vehicles in general find it" - he said.

    Also, he noted, has a long history and pattern "aircraft wing", but the first models were not very stable.

    "There was electronics, which can keep track of it all, and again was this idea," - he said.

    At the same time, notes Fomin, fundamentally new ideas in the aircraft industry in recent years did not appear.

    "What a stunning yet was not. Now all the focus on the creation of a hypersonic aircraft - of course it will, first of all, the military, to" citizen "him away," - says a scientist.

    Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics. Khristianovich Siberian Branch of RAS (ITAM SB RAS) was established in 1957.

    The Institute has a hypersonic wind tunnel AT-303, the world's only able to recreate 100% flight conditions.

    Main scientific interests: mathematical modeling in mechanics, Aerogasdynamics, physico-chemical mechanics, solid mechanics, deformation and fracture.

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    Russia also had a hypersonic aircraft development program at one time.

    Post  coolieno99 on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:15 pm

    Russia also had a hypersonic aircraft development program at one time.

    The first working scramjet in the world "GLL Holod" flew on 28 November 1991, reaching a speed of mach 5.8.  However, the collapse of Soviet Union stopped the funding of the project.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramjet_programs#Russia
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    Russia builds exo-athmospheric hypersonic strategic bomber

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:26 pm

    i do not know where to attach this info pls advise or just move to respective thread. Thx

    BTW in hypersonic thread there is info about Russian railgun with projectile speed higher then Escape Velocity...


    Russia is working on a bomber to perform tasks in space
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    MOSCOW, July 13 — RIA Novosti. Russia is developing a hypersonic bomber able to strike from the air space and outer space, told RIA Novosti the Professor of branch of Military Academy of the strategic Missile forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexey Solodovnikov.

    Earlier, the commander of the strategic missile forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev announced that the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy RVSN named after Peter the Great developed and tested the engine for advanced aerospace aircraft. The unit is scheduled to present at the international military-technical forum "Army-2016".
    "The idea is this: with conventional airfields, it will take off to patrol the airspace. Command — space to accomplish strike missions, and returned back to their base. This is a strategic aircraft", — said Solodovnikov.
    He added that the new machine will have a broad experience and be able for one to two hours to reach any point of the planet through space.
    "We attract TSAGI (Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute), because they will have to help with the glider, now we will determine the characteristics of the aircraft. I think that the starting weight will be 20-25 tons, so it was a shock. It is planned that there will be a hypersonic missile mode", — said Solodovnikov.
    The prototype turbofan engine, which can operate in atmosphere and space to switch to flight mode, will be created by 2020.


    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html#ixzz4EIWAqCGN


    So not Ajax but something closer to Klipper? or 20-25 tonnes of payload then we have something Ajax like.




    Prototype engine for space bomber will be created by 2020

    MOSCOW, July 13 -. RIA Novosti An experienced motor model for the Russian aerospace bomber will be created in 2020, told RIA Novosti on Wednesday, a teacher, a branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexei Solodovnikov, who developed the engine for future aircraft.


    Earlier, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev said that in the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great was developed and tested the engine for future aerospace plane. This engine is scheduled to be presented at the international military-technical forum "Army 2016".

    "Now we want to first discuss the nuances about a year we work will take place, and we will make a scheme, perhaps it will be completely different. When it is determined with the scheme will make the engine itself. In the second year, that is, in 2018, we will begin to do has iron Maybe I'm in a hurry, and there will be some questions, but by 2020 "piece of iron" should be working "-. Solodovnikov said.

    According to him, cooperation of companies that will participate in the project will be determined in the course of scientific and technical council, which will be held in late

    "The idea is such that the engine turns Turbofan, which means it can work in both the atmosphere and the switch in a space flight mode without air, and all on one machine. At the moment, these engines is not in Russia, in a power plant are combined two motors at once - the aircraft and the rocket one, "- said the developer.



    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465183760.html

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    Experimental Hypersonic Bomber

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:56 pm

    So finally time give me the reason... Very Happy

    Hi Garry   Smile

    New Russian Hypersonic Bomber to Be Able to Launch Nuclear Attacks From Outer Space

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160713/1042888473/russia-space-bomber-engine.html




    This is probably the important offensive weapon ever in the history of Russia. Shocked
    Expensive it can be , but nothing is more expensive ,that be blocked from Space in a war.
    and that NATO get full spectrum Space dominance .yes NATO can do that. and this is exactly
    what the Pentagon is saying they want to achieve. Full spectrum dominance of space and
    deny space entry to anyone it wants.  

    A mesosphere high altitude bomber is the most critical and killer feature.




    Because just like Iskander missiles it will allow to have a better chance to bypass any NATO airdefenses. Since Aegis defenses , using patriots defenses only reach until ~30km altitude or a bit more. and using the standars missiles , it only operates in zero gravity space.. ~80km++ altitude or more.  and THHAD and Israeli Arrow 3 defenses operate  only operate So NATO have a major black hole in their defense between 35km to 80km altitude .

    And even if they develop a missile that can intercept and those altitudes. Arrow2-3? they can still be defeated with counter electronics ,jamming,decoy , emp explosives, and planes that can change its course..  Cool

    So we end with a bomber that no plane in the world today in service, can intercept ,neither peacefully ,like usually NATO intercept Russian planes , escorting them ,neither shut it down.
    and also a Plane that NATO ,neither Israel can effectively shut down using Its super heavy weight missiles.   Cool

    So this new bomber , produced in meaningful numbers.. ~20 to ~50.
    Should be able to fly with impunity over the white house ,over london ,or Telaviv. with
    ready to use hypersonic nuclear weapons.. and send a message to the hostile nations seeking
    a fight with Russia.  This will be a reverse of the times when American airforce used to fly over
    Soviet Union and take photos over Russia military bases.  Cool

    This new Bomber should be able to shut down NATO satellites one after another another,using
    cheap gun fire.. or strike any part of the world in 2 hours. Fly over any NATO aircraft carrier,
    and wave with their hands while taking a nice video with a panoramic view of every American or NATO aircraft carriers and its formations. and strike if needed with a nuclear warhead hypersonic missiles their formations withing visual distance of the target of American warships formations . Cool

    Such a weapon ,such a bomber ,produced is decent numbers , will have full freedom of navigation over any air-space or space-in nearspace armed with nuclear weapons. They can also
    be used to fly above any NATO army frequently and provide real time positions of their troops..
    and help Iskanders or Russian Rocket forces and artillery to correct their targeting.

    But also it can be use to deny entry of Space to any NASA or ESA or Israel rocket and deploy
    any satellite and allow Russia to deploy mines near every American ,NATO satellite in space ,
    and the moment NATO attack Russia.. Russia press a switch.. and BOOM.. shut down at once
    ALL milltary satellites or civilians ones around the world that NATO could use to weight a war against Russia. Basically leaving NATO totally blind without any logistics or communications.

    If Russia pull it off ,with this bomber ,it can definitively force Americans to the negotiation table
    and retreat all its missiles and military bases from Europe.  Cool

    Because it will be too expensive trying to protect for NATO its assets in Space ,with a place well armed to defeat satellites and defeat missiles that targets it. And it should also be possible
    to make it stealth to traditional Radars and missiles radio guidance ,through counter electronics.. by creating a magnetic or plasma shield around the plane ,combined with decoys.
    It will require hundreds of very expensive missiles  to try and shutdown just one bomber.

    So this is really a weapon Russia should invest ,no matter the cost. Because it will surpass anything Russia have.. Why a Hypersonic missile is not enough Garry?  Because missiles can be
    defeated ,blinded ,jammed and fooled with decoys, over long distances. But a decoy cant fool a human eye ,and when you bomb a target from above with visual distance over it ,through the use of special lens.. then it will be very hard for NATO to defend against it.

    Simply a Mesonsphere ,hypersonic bomber will allow Russia to achieve full spectrum space domination. Because it can also launch missiles to target anything above it or under it. it will allow Russia to protect is space launches from NATO sabotage attacks ,and the best thing of all.
    it will significantly help Russia space program.. to develop better civilians use ,space planes that take off from an airport with cosmonauts and then arrive to the ISS.. This will also can be used
    for heavy cargo to space and for Space tourism to earth orbit or moon orbit.

    This bomber is so important.. it will allow Russia to very easily fly over the atlantic bypassing all
    Aegis defenses and NATO navies if needed and enter in American airspace from the eastern coast over any zone it desires and deliver a strike over any part of United States and with no warning , without them knowing what happened , because the plane will evade traditional radars with counter electronics and magnetic fields. Cool

    The major flaw with depending only in hypersonic missiles to do the job is how vulnerable
    they can be to counter electronics or decoys and that to launch an attack on US on the eastern coast where Americans have its most important economic zones and government buildings, Russia cannot do it ,until it is close..  ie.. revealing NATO of any possible threat from Russia to America many hours ahead of any potential attack.  So scared are Americans of its eastern coast flank ,that they have radars and air defenses in spain ,UK , Iceland and military bases in any western part of africa. so that Russia cannot use those territories ,create a military base there from where Russian navy can directly move to America.

    This Hypersonic bombers will be even more effective than Submarines ,because they do not take weeks to travel from Russia to the atlantic but hours. and will not have to deal with other chasing subs or mines and NATO warships chasing them.  A mesosphere Airforce will always be superior than a navy. Warships will become easy targets ,but also any nation will have huge problems to counter them.  Effectively by Russia building Mesosphere Hypersonic bombers with
    powerful counter electronics. it will save a LOT of Money to Russia ,since no longer will need a large navy .  1 bomber could have 3-4 crew ,  while a destroyer require hundreds of sailors and officers that will have to be paid. So it will cost much less ,to maintain 1 hypersonic meso -bomber than to maintain 1 destroyer/ cruiser.. and the Bomber can do almost anything a warship and do it much faster since will attack directly above enemy positions and can travel to any part of the world in 2 hours.

    The uses of a Mesosphere Hypersonic bomber are INFINITE.
    They can be used for peaceful uses too ,like monitoring in realtime with live videos how a nation breaks its cease of fire and bomb civilians. ie.. like Ukraine does. Or to spy on NATO exercises
    with better view of every move .  Im really convinced that the best money investment Russia
    can do is space ,space and more space. and for military use, hypersonic bombers. and that once
    Russia build a decent number of them..20 to 50 , each one can be as destructive as a submarine but with superior precision and speed of deployment. it will safe money Russia by allowing it to cut in half its navy if not more and save a lot of money by reducing the service men it have to pay salaries and later when retire their military pensions.
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    Re: Russia's Quest for Hypersonic Aircraft

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:54 pm

    Vann7 wrote:So finally time give me the reason... Very Happy

    Hi Garry   Smile

    New Russian Hypersonic Bomber to Be Able to Launch Nuclear Attacks From Outer Space

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160713/1042888473/russia-space-bomber-engine.html

    but this is not PAK DA Razz
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    Re: Russia's Quest for Hypersonic Aircraft

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:41 pm

    The problem I have with hypersonic bombers is they are redundant... if you want a spy in the air... use a satellite... they are increasing their spy satellites from something like 6 to about 30 or something.

    If you want to drop nuclear bombs then a hypersonic missile can do that too... a manouvering weapon bus without a crew can manouver harder than any manned air or space craft... I really don't understand the advantage of putting people on board...

    In 10 years time Zircon will be available so the bomber that carries it wont need to get within 1,000km of the target... which is much better protection than simply flying fast.

    It is cheaper and easier to use slower lower flying bombers for those roles where manned aircraft are more useful, but I really don't see the advantage of a hypersonic manned bomber.

    What I can see is that if Russia introduces Hypersonic bombers that the US will adapt their world wide ABM systems to also deal with hypersonic bombers... and that will not be good for Russia.


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    Re: Russia's Quest for Hypersonic Aircraft

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:02 pm

    What about hypersonic unmanned bomber ? Question Question
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    Re: Russia's Quest for Hypersonic Aircraft

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:09 pm

    The story continues...


    Russia is working on a bomber to perform tasks in space

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html

    MOSCOW, July 13 — RIA Novosti. Russia is developing a hypersonic bomber able to strike from the air space and outer space, told RIA Novosti the Professor of branch of Military Academy of the strategic Missile forces (RVSN) Colonel Alexey Solodovnikov.

    Earlier, the commander of the strategic missile forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev announced that the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy RVSN named after Peter the Great developed and tested the engine for advanced aerospace aircraft. The unit is scheduled to present at the international military-technical forum "Army-2016".
    "The idea is this: start from conventional airfields, it will take off to patrol the airspace. After receiving a command — flies into space to accomplish strike missions, and then returns back to their base. This is a strategic aircraft", — said Solodovnikov.
    He added that the new machine will have a broad experience and be able for one to two hours to reach any point of the planet through space.
    "We attract TSAGI (Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute), because they will have to help with the glider, now we will determine the characteristics of the aircraft. I think that the starting weight will be 20-25 tons, so it was a shock. It is planned that hypersonic speed will achieve in rocket  mode", — said Solodovnikov.
    The prototype turbofan engine, which can operate in atmosphere and space to switch to flight mode, will be created by 2020.

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160713/1465167464.html#ixzz4ENYefCf0



    The question is 25tons is very little. Even in unmanned mode world reach with such mass? what is th epayload then? 1ton?
    Then would it be something like militarized BOR-4/Spiral concept? Pls check wiki


    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Спираль_(авиационно-космическая_система)


    Also "on the basis of the Bor-4 was designed maneuvering warheads space-based, whose main task was the bombing of America from space with minimal flight time to the target (5...7 minutes)". Lukashevich V. P., financial Director of JSC "international consortium Multipurpose aerospace system."[10][11][12]

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    Re: Russia's Quest for Hypersonic Aircraft

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:15 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:What about hypersonic unmanned bomber ? Question Question

    check pls new thread I have opened with todays update Smile
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    New Russian Hypersonic Bomber to Be Able to Launch Nuclear Attacks From Outer Space

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:16 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem I have with hypersonic bombers is they are redundant... if you want a spy in the air... use a satellite... they are increasing their spy satellites from something like 6 to about 30 or something.

    If you want to drop nuclear bombs then a hypersonic missile can do that too... a manouvering weapon bus without a crew can manouver harder than any manned air or space craft... I really don't understand the advantage of putting people on board...

    In 10 years time Zircon will be available so the bomber that carries it wont need to get within 1,000km of the target... which is much better protection than simply flying fast.

    It is cheaper and easier to use slower lower flying bombers for those roles where manned aircraft are more useful, but I really don't see the advantage of a hypersonic manned bomber.

    What I can see is that if Russia introduces Hypersonic bombers that the US will adapt their world wide ABM systems to also deal with hypersonic bombers... and that will not be good for Russia.

    Thhe reach is global and is to use regular airfields... check pls my thread with today´s update Smile
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    Russia builds exo-athmospheric hypersonic strategic bomber

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:55 pm

    Defense Ministry refutes reports about the development of a space bomber of the Russian Federation

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3454118&usg=ALkJrhjUQZCRIhNhEtCgjF7_sJ9iZbFmkw


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    Defense Ministry refutes reports about the development of a space bomber of the Russian Federation

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:11 pm

    George1 wrote:Defense Ministry refutes reports about the development of a space bomber of the Russian Federation

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3454118&usg=ALkJrhjUQZCRIhNhEtCgjF7_sJ9iZbFmkw

    Might be true or might be that is a "controlled leak" for US similar to System 6 "tsunami torpedo" . When TV "accidentally" has shown drawings with parameters. X-37 is built with the same objective as currently mentioned bomber. Now they can take into calculations also this possibility of "guaranteed" response.


    BTW Russia is working on engine for exo-atmospheric flights anyway (6gen fighter)

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