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    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:45 pm

    Can some one compile a list of SAM for Russian Airforce and Russian Army all including Long to Short Range

    I can start with some for now

    Russian Aersopace Force - S-500 - S-400 -S-300 , Vityaz , Pantisir-S2/S1 , Morfei , ( what are exisit SAM system that are getting upgraded ? )
    Russian Ground Forces , S-300V4/V3 , BUK-M2/M3 , Tor-M2M/M2K ( what are existing sam getting upgraded ? )

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    Post  Austin on Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:27 pm


    Launch range missiles 40N6 - 460 km at an altitude of 185 km.



    ^^ Found that in a comment section , Would be amazing if true

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    Post  Arrow on Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:08 pm

    Launch range missiles 40N6 - 460 km at an altitude of 185 km. wrote:

    But still isn't in service and no pictures of this mystic missile.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:35 pm

    Austin wrote:
    Launch range missiles 40N6 - 460 km at an altitude of 185 km.



    ^^ Found that in a comment section , Would be amazing if true

    It is simply the parameters of a ballistic trajectory of a 2.4-2.5 km/sec rocket.

    It doesn't tell anything about the capability of the rocket.
    Actually, we don't know anything about the capabilities of the modern SAM systems : ) beyond a few basic, useless data.

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    Post  Arrow on Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:44 pm

    More than 15 years of development and 40N6 is still isn't in service, no photo, no movie...and every year 40N6 is ready to service.

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    Post  HM1199 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:50 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201703141051555156-turkey-russia-s400/
    Do you guys think that it would be a chance for nato to study the S400 ?
    and i'm curious if the package will include top of the line systems such as Nebo-M and Gamma DE.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:07 pm

    System Tests C-500 to destroy the real goals can take place in Kazakhstan

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    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4205938

    Designer General of concern "Almaz-Antey" Paul Sozinov also noted that the S-500, which will replace the C-400, is created with the ability to operate in the next 25 years


    "When you work at the Kapustin Yar restrictions on firing range substantial and account for about 100 km. At the same time in the future be possible to move to a site in Kazakhstan, where appropriate platform used to test anti-aircraft missile systems, large and medium-range missiles and missile defense in the 70 . -80-ies of the last century, the second part of the test with real interceptions can be organized just there, "- said Sozinov in an interview published in the magazine " National defense " .

    The designer said that the S-500, which will replace the C-400, is created with the ability to operate in the next 25 years. "Our system must be able to deal with the funds that are currently not yet available, but it may appear," - Sozinov said, noting that it comes to intercepting targets at a height of hundreds of kilometers from the earth's surface.


    Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, reported that work on the construction of the complex is planned, and the Deputy Commander of the Russian VKS Lieutenant-General Viktor Gumennyy said the C-500 entered service in Aerospace power in the near future. Head of the Military Academy of Aerospace Defense them. Zhukov, Lieutenant-General Vladimir Lyaporov also noted that the Russian Armed Forces has already begun training to work on the S-500 complexes.

    S-400 "Triumph" - anti-aircraft missile system of long-range, put into service in 2007. It is designed to destroy aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles, including medium-range, can be used against ground targets. April 8, 2017 zamglavkoma VKS Russia Viktor Gumennyy said that the armed missiles began to arrive for the C-400 can destroy targets in near space.

    Sozinov also said that the test system S-350 "Hero" will be completed this year.

    "Work on the state system of testing will be completed this year, now there are the preliminary test fired", - he said.

    According Sozinova, locating tools and controls are tested in the proper amount, no fundamental objections to him there.

    "During the remaining time to complete the test is necessary to collect statistics on fighting launches interception of real targets in different conditions, maneuvering and so on", - said general designer.

    Designer General also reported that marine complex "Poliment-Redoute" get missiles uniftsirovannye C-350.

    "As part of the R & D (research and development work - approx Tass.)" Poliment-Redoute P "creates three types of missiles to equip the respective vessels: small, medium and transition range", - he said in an interview published in the magazine "National Defense ". "Missiles SAM" Poliment-Redoute "unified with S-350" Hero ", - added the general designer.

    All the rockets of the new generation are created with active homing with inertial control systems and have very good maneuvering characteristics for the defeat of the entire spectrum of attacking objects, said Sozinov.


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    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:08 pm

    Russia’s seaborne air defense system to receive three types of missiles
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    Russia’s seaborne missile complex will be fitted out with three types of missiles unified with the S-350 Vityaz ground-based air defense system

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    http://tass.com/defense/942858

    "The Poliment-Redut-R R&D work is focused on developing small-, medium-and intermediate-range missiles for arming the relevant ships," he said in an interview published in Natsionalnaya Oborona (National Defense) magazine.


    "Poliment-Redut surface-to-air missiles have been unified with the S-350 Vityaz air defense system," the chief designer said.

    All new-generation missiles are being developed with active homing heads and the inertial guidance system and feature very high maneuverable characteristics for hitting the entire range of attack means, Sozinov said.

    This year, Almaz-Antey defense contractor will celebrate the 15th anniversary of its establishment.


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    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:10 pm

    Russian Next-Gen S-500 Missile System To Engage Targets Near Space

    http://www.defenseworld.net/news/19110/Russian_Next_Gen_S_500_Missile_System_To_Engage_Targets_Near_Space#.WQBxndwlGHs

    Russian next-generation S-500 surface-to-air missile system would be able to engage targets above the earth’s surface.

    The new S-500 missile system would be able to engage targets in the upper layer of the atmosphere, 100 kilometers [62 miles] above the Earth’s surface, Pavel Sozinov, chief engineer of the Russian defense corporation Almaz-Antey, was quoted as saying by Sputnik Tuesday.


    S-500 is said to have a range of 600 kilometers (more than 370 miles) and can simultaneously intercept up to ten ballistic and hypersonic missiles coming at speeds upto 7 km per second.

    "The S-500 will be capable of hitting targets at an altitude of up to 100 kilometers above the ground, which is actually the height of near space. The system's final tests will take place at one of the largest firing ranges in Kazakhstan, given that the S-500's effective damage range stands at 600 kilometers. There is no other such surface-to-air missile system in the world that has the same damage radius," Russian military expert Viktor Baranets was quoted as saying by Sputnik.

    According to him, among other things the S-500 system is also designed to destroy combat blocks of hypersonic missiles.

    He noted that in terms of its characteristics, the S-500 will significantly exceed Russia's S-400 missile system and its American competitor, the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) missile system.



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    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:33 pm

    Kazakhstan will host live-fire test of the new Russian-made S-500 air defence system

    http://www.armyrecognition.com/april_2017_global_defense_security_news_industry/kazakhstan_will_host_live-fire_test_of_the_new_russian-made_s-500_air_defence_system_tass_82604171.html

    The S-500 anti-aircraft missile system can test fire at real targets in Kazakhstan, Designer General of Almaz-Antey air and space defense concern Pavel Sozinov said in an interview with the National Defense magazine.

    "The Kapustin Yar range has major firing distance limitations of close to a hundred kilometers. There is a possibility to move to the range in Kazakhstan which in the '70-80s of the last century was used to test fire small and medium-range missiles and for air defense. The second stage of tests with real interceptions can be held there," he said.

    Sozinov said S-500 will replace S-400 and can be operational for 25 years. "The system has to know how to fight the means that do not exist at present but can appear," he said and explained it has to intercept targets at altitudes of hundreds of kilometers from the Earth surface.


    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin earlier said the work to create the new complex was ongoing as scheduled. Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces Lieutenant-General Viktor Gumenny said S-500 will become operational in the near future. Head of the Zhukov Aerospace Defense Military Academy Vladimir Lyaporov said the Russian armed forces already began training servicemen to operate S-500.


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    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:38 pm

    Considering S-500 is suppose to be capable system for next 25 years.

    I wonder of the Russians will keep improving S-300 to sell it enmass to countries that cant afford a capable system yet want to have one cost effective one.

    I still see SA-3 and SA-6 operational in many countries even today and there are upgrades option available for SA-3 , S-300 is a far more capable system and they can keep improving it.

    Then there is S-400 system that is quite new and upgrades can be offered for it

    An AESA Radar or Hybrid PESA and S-300PM2 missile with Active Radar Homing should be very competent upgrade for next 25 years for S-300 system , Perhaps even IIR based homing channel can be explored.

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    Post  Arrow on Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:07 pm

    They are different systems. S-500 is exoatmosferic ABM system S-400 is general anti-aircraft system.

    "The S-500 will be capable of hitting targets at an altitude of up to 100 kilometers above the ground, which is wrote:

    Only 100km? Very strange. THAAD can engage target about 150 km. SM-3 more then 200km altitude.
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    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:18 pm

    Arrow wrote: THAAD can engage target about 150 km. SM-3 more then 200km altitude.

    None of them can intercept an ICBM. Aegis I was simply not designed to track targets at those speeds. Even Aegis II was simply not designed for it either. Only 28 ships, DDG 51 through DDG 78 even have Aegis II and both I and II are programmed for hyperbolic interception.

    And both China and Russia come with manoeuvrable hyper-sonic warheads these days. Like China's operational DF series is ballistic with it's missile going up. But to get in front of that you would need to go faster then hyper-sonic. US is still experimenting with those speeds. Now the missile goes up and ... the manoeuvrable warheads come down. And US targeting systems are trying to calculate a hyperbolic firing solution it simple cannot get. China being friendly gets you 5 warheads to successfully target while going all over the place at hyper-sonic speeds. No need for explosives just a big solid mass that would eat shrapnel for breakfast.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:03 am

    40N6 has an altitude of 185km.  So reporting is off. Then again, the missiles are tailored for ABM so there may be a specifics to it on how they are calculating everything on what they think they will shoot down. So I don't really know.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:16 am

    Arrow wrote:They are different systems. S-500 is exoatmosferic ABM system S-400 is general anti-aircraft system.



    Only 100km? Very strange. THAAD can engage target about 150 km. SM-3 more then 200km altitude.

    Its bed reporting. At least 100km in altitude is correct with 185km in altitude at max.

    Having capability to track targets means you only need an missile fast enough to reach there in time Very Happy

    It was reported that the S-500 will have capability of shooting down ICBMs. Its reentry speed is 7km/s just as capability of S-500.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:44 pm

    Russian air defense missile systems S-300V4 to be deployed in the Kaliningrad Region.

    http://www.armyrecognition.com/april_2017_global_defense_security_news_industry/russian_air_defense_missile_systems_s-300v4_to_be_deployed_in_the_kaliningrad_region_12704173.html

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    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:50 pm

    The 100 Km Altitude Interception is for certain types of target i.e HGV types

    It was mentioned that S-500 is capable of intercepting IRBM types targets in mid-course trajectory , IRBM target flying at 3-5 km/sec flies at altitude of ~ 500 km , So S-500 interceptor should be capable of intercepting at higher altitude for targets flying at 4-5 km/sec.

    The challenge for next 20-25 years would be defending HGV that flies at 80-100 km altitude at 6-7 km/sec and has much higher cross range and maneuverability , That is the challenge S-500 is designed to deal with which is a tough one.

    The 40N6 missile of S-400 can deal with HGV flying at lower speed 3-5 km/sec
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:43 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    S-400 in Russia doesn' t use 9M96 missile. This missile will by in S-350 system.




    So what is the different ?

    S-400 can use all those types of missiles and whether it actually uses it dont know me and you or anyone here but that depends on the estimated level of threat

    of persons in charge Smile So you can model it whatever you like.
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    Post  franco on Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:15 pm

    MOSCOW, April 29 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. The S-400 "Triumph" anti-aircraft missile system was on alert for the air defense of the White Sea naval base of the Northern Fleet (SF), the press service of the Northern Fleet said on Saturday.

    The S-400 air defense system will provide air cover from the forces of the White Sea naval base (Navy), as well as shipbuilding, ship repair and other industrial enterprises in Severodvinsk and Arkhangelsk.

    "Today, a division equipped with the new S-400" Triumph "anti-aircraft missile system was sent to combat duty on the Belorussian naval air defense of the Northern Fleet." Prior to that moment, the air defense units carried the complexes of the previous generation - the S-300 Favorit, "it was reported.

    It noted that the S-400 missile system was used by the anti-aircraft missile regiment of the Kola Division of the Air Defense Forces of the Northern Fleet at the end of 2016. At present, the personnel of the regiments of the regiment who have adopted new equipment have already completed training for its competent operation and fired at the Kapustin Yar test range in the Astrakhan region. In particular, the air defense missiles worked out the tasks of training anti-aircraft combat with the use of missile targets, imitating the attack of modern military equipment day and night in difficult weather conditions with active countermeasures against the conventional enemy.
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    Post  franco on Wed May 03, 2017 10:22 pm

    http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/33060-krasnoyarsk-pod-prikrytiem

    New mobile 24th SAM brigade to be stationed in Abakan and Divnogorsk.

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    Post  Austin on Thu May 04, 2017 4:53 pm

    Interview with Airforce Chief Commander in Chief Air Space Forces Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev.


    What will happen with the crews and combat crews before the start of the international phase of the competition "Aviadarts-2017" and "Keys to the sky - 2017"?


    - Winners relocate airfields Eastern Military District, where they will train and adapt to the climate of the Far East, to the maximum to prepare for participation in the international stage of the competition, which will be held in the People's Republic of China in August 2017. Relocation of the Russian team in China is scheduled to start from July 20th.

    This year the geography of the contest "The keys of heaven" will expand, making competition more intense and interesting. Participants will compete in the management of multi-axis chassis, the march, the loading launchers, repelling a simulated enemy attack. At the final stage, the calculations will conduct air defense battles with combat launches anti-aircraft guided missiles.

    According to the results of the international phase of the competition "The keys to the sky - 2017" will be determined by the best fighting calculations of anti-aircraft missile systems S-300PS and C-300PM2.

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    Post  Austin on Thu May 04, 2017 4:56 pm

    Does the Russia Airforce still use S-300PS or have they moved completely to S-300PMU2 ?

    I am wondering why S-300PMU2 was not upgraded with ARH seeker considering that thing has a range of 200 km and missile is big enough to have a big seeker ?

    Another question I had was why didnt they tried S-300 with IIR or dual mode IR seeker ?

    Having S-300 system with ARH and IIR seeker would be good mix to have besides continuing to have SAAG guidance
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    Post  franco on Thu May 04, 2017 10:47 pm

    Austin wrote:Does the Russia Airforce still use S-300PS or have they moved completely to S-300PMU2 ?

    I am wondering why S-300PMU2 was not upgraded with ARH seeker considering that thing has a range of 200 km and missile is big enough to have a big seeker ?

    Another question I had was why didnt they tried S-300 with IIR or dual mode IR seeker ?  

    Having S-300 system with ARH and IIR seeker would be good mix to have besides continuing to have SAAG guidance

    Lots of 300PS's still around. As for the rest of your questions will leave to the techies.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 05, 2017 10:50 am

    The main issue for not fitting IR or IIR guidance is that it is a difficult technology.

    It is not just a case of launching missiles in the general direction of the enemy and expect them to get locks on real targets.

    For 200km range launches you need lock on after launch capability and a rather sophisticated system that can assess threats and automatically prioritise targets all on its own... which means correctly identifying them in the first place.

    Not that easy.


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    Post  Austin on Fri May 05, 2017 11:31 am

    GarryB wrote:The main issue for not fitting IR or IIR guidance is that it is a difficult technology.

    It is not just a case of launching missiles in the general direction of the enemy and expect them to get locks on real targets.

    For 200km range launches you need lock on after launch capability and a rather sophisticated system that can assess threats and automatically prioritise targets all on its own... which means correctly identifying them in the first place.

    Not that easy.

    The initial guidance would ofcourse be INS/MCG from GBR but once it has reached a lock on range to target it can be autonmous.

    Point being why not also use IIR type guidance , There used to be two R-27 variant one IR and one SARH both launched at target one is entire passive i.e IR types giving high probability to kill the target

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