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    Post  Austin on Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:13 pm

    Ilyushin Il-96-400M Widebody Taking Shape
    by Vladimir Karnozov
    - April 11, 2017, 10:55 AM

    http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2017-04-11/ilyushin-il-96-400m-widebody-taking-shape

    The Ilyushin design house has issued its first official presentation of the Il-96-400M, a four-engine design meant to fulfill Russia’s aspirations to develop a new indigenous widebody as a contingency in the event a planned joint Russian-Chinese program fails to materialize. Ilyushin general designer Nikolai Talikov presented the details during a recent conference of Il-96 operators organized by the Russian civil aviation authority Rosaviatsiya. Plans call for the latest iteration of the widebody quadjet to carry a 90,000-pound payload as far as 4,860 nautical miles. Officials expect the first prototype to fly in 2019 and become factory standard the following year.

    Designed for a maximum takeoff weight of 595,000 pounds, the Il-96-400M incorporates the same fuselage used on the Il-96M/T stretch that won U.S. FAA shadow certification in 1997. It will go into production at United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) plant in Voronezh (VASO), which has so far assembled 103 Il-86s and 30 Il-96s—the only commercially available widebody passenger jets of Russian origin. Three Il-96-300s remain in service with Cubana de Aviacion, and about a dozen with Russian government bodies.

    The Kremlin instructed UAC to boost Il-96 production to guarantee air links between the European part of the country and big cities in Siberia and on the Pacific coasts in case escalation of East-West relations further limit the use of imported jets. The Russian government has approved construction of an initial batch of six to ten quads for government structures as a first step to revive widebody jet production at VASO.

    Talikov said the factory could boost Il-96 production from one to two airframes in recent years to the eight to 10 it used to build during Soviet times. “I believe that, responding to the call to buy Russian having considered the new capabilities of the Il-96-400M, the airlines will place their orders,” he concluded.

    Last year the Russian government allocated 53 billion rubles ($925 million) for the program, of which half will go to a leasing company—IFC or GTLK—that would place newly built airplanes with airlines on operating lease terms. The remaining half will go to the industry, including 10 billion rubles ($175 million) to the Ilyushin design house for modifications to the already certified Il-96 platform.

    Ilyushin won a formal contract for -400M development on December 29 of last year. Officials expect a short flight-test program given that earlier versions had already won a number of certificates, including the 1997 U.S. FAA shadow certification of the Il-96T/M. Talikov told AIN designers have begun a special effort to replace old wiring as a weight-saving measure, promising to cut operating empty weight (OEW) by one to two tons.

    Planning to limit Western content to an absolute minimum, Ilyushin will consider only Perm-based Aviadvigatel engines. The PS-90A1 has won certification and became operational on the stretched freighter, whose maximum takeoff weight exceeds that of the baseline Il-96-300 by some 45,000 pounds. Polet operated four Il-96-400Ts between 2009 and 2013, before going bankrupt. Polet’s operational experience, however, allowed the industry to find and fix teething problems associated with the PS-90A1 and subsequently reach average time between removals of 10,000 flight hours, generally considered a good figure for a Russian engine.

    Since Cubana took deliveries of the last Il-96-300 airliners in 2007, design of a completely reworked interior has begun. Ilyushin has invited completion companies to compete in an associated tender.

    Although designers have settled on a specification, Talikov said the terms aren’t so firm that the winner will not enjoy room for creativity. However, he said the Il-96-400M must come with a central luggage bin, which neither the Il-86 nor Il-96-300 feature because their designers wanted to create “spacious” impression. However, passengers now tend to bring more hand luggage into aircraft cabins, requiring more space than available with the existing left- and right-hand bins.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:44 pm

    Take Off Mag March Issue has article on MS-21 and SSJ-100

    http://www.en.take-off.ru/index.php/component/content/article/45/431
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:30 pm


    Another SSJ-100 completed. This is 7th this year. This one flew on 12. April. Last year's 7th flew on 18. June. So 2 months faster than last year, not bad. thumbsup

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/92379/





    Exclamation

    And now something interesting:

    Institute СибНИА is testing Yak-40 jetliner with composite wings. But at the end of the year they plan to rebuild the whole airplane out of composites. On top of everything they already removed one engine and now it flies with just two newer engine types (Honeywell TFE731).






    Stock Yak-40 for reference:
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    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:00 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    And now something interesting:

    Institute СибНИА is testing Yak-40 jetliner with composite wings. But at the end of the year they plan to rebuild the whole airplane out of composites. On top of everything they already removed one engine and now it flies with just two newer engine types (Honeywell TFE731).

    Was twice onboard Yak-40s that belonged to Yugoslavian AF/Serbian in 2009. and 2010. then they got grounded permanently it seems...
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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:00 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Another SSJ-100 completed. This is 7th this year. This one flew on 12. April. Last year's 7th flew on 18. June. So 2 months faster than last year, not bad. thumbsup

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/92379/




    Correction: this is the 8th one this year.

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    02. 95123 02.02.17

    03. 95124 08.02.17

    04. 95126 03.03.17

    05. 95127 15.03.17

    06. 95128 23.03.17

    07. 9512906.04.17

    08. 95130 12.04.17


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    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Another SSJ-100 completed. This is 7th this year. This one flew on 12. April. Last year's 7th flew on 18. June. So 2 months faster than last year, not bad. thumbsup

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/92379/





    Exclamation

    And now something interesting:

    Institute СибНИА is testing Yak-40 jetliner with composite wings. But at the end of the year they plan to rebuild the whole airplane out of composites. On top of everything they already removed one engine and now it flies with just two newer engine types (Honeywell TFE731).






    Stock Yak-40 for reference:

    If they plan to build fuselage and wings of composite then it is better they use an equivalent Russian Engine.

    Whats the point in using US engine in such a new project
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:54 pm



    If they plan to build fuselage and wings of composite then it is better they use an equivalent Russian Engine.

    Whats the point in using US engine in such a new project


    Why would they bother with that so early in the project? Objective is to make composite airplane, not make new engines.

    Once they get that part done finding different engines should not be a problem. Besides, why not use available engine regardless of manufacturer? This is civilian project.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:


    If they plan to build fuselage and wings of composite then it is better they use an equivalent Russian Engine.

    Whats the point in using US engine in such a new project


    Why would they bother with that so early in the project? Objective is to make composite airplane, not make new engines.

    Once they get that part done finding different engines should not be a problem. Besides, why not use available engine regardless of manufacturer? This is civilian project.

    Coz Russia can build an engine similar to Honeywell and there is no guarantee that a year from now even Civilian projects might come under sanctions , infact they would should relations sour more.

    Using any US tech today knowing the climate and the long term intention of US government , is tantamount to standing on the rail track to commit sucide , it would just happen when the train passes that way question of time.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:01 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
    Correction: this is the 8th one this year.

    01. 9512218.01.17|

    02. 95123 02.02.17

    03. 95124 08.02.17

    04. 95126 03.03.17

    05. 95127 15.03.17

    06. 95128 23.03.17

    07. 9512906.04.17

    08. 95130 12.04.17

    Awesome, so that is just 7 day gap between 7th and 8th. I like these improvements. thumbsup
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:03 pm

    ......

    Coz Russia can build an engine similar to Honeywell and there is no guarantee that a year from now even Civilian projects might come under sanctions , infact they would should relations sour more.

    Using any US tech today knowing the climate and the long term intention of US government , is tantamount to standing on the rail track to commit sucide , it would just happen when the train passes that way question of time.  


    Dramatic much?

    This is small project by one institute. A proof of concept.

    If it works then they can localize engines. What's the rush?

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    Post  Austin on Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:07 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ......

    Coz Russia can build an engine similar to Honeywell and there is no guarantee that a year from now even Civilian projects might come under sanctions , infact they would should relations sour more.

    Using any US tech today knowing the climate and the long term intention of US government , is tantamount to standing on the rail track to commit sucide , it would just happen when the train passes that way question of time.  


    Dramatic much?

    This is small project by one institute. A proof of concept.

    If it works then they can localize engines. What's the rush?

    I hope they do then , If its just scientific project then its fine to use any engine but if they plan to mass produce it they better use Russian engine
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:15 am

    If they are replacing the wings and the fuselage with composite materials... aren't they just building an new plane?

    I guess the real potential for existing customers is that they will have composite material components they can use to replace original components as they need replacing over time.

    This would reduce weight I guess and save money... but I suspect the existing user would continue to use the engines they were using rather than change to a new engine type.


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:25 pm

    GarryB wrote:If they are replacing the wings and the fuselage with composite materials... aren't they just building an new plane?

    I guess the real potential for existing customers is that they will have composite material components they can use to replace original components as they need replacing over time.

    This would reduce weight I guess and save money... but I suspect the existing user would continue to use the engines they were using rather than change to a new engine type.

    They are building a new plane.

    However designing a new airplane from scratch is very long an expensive process.

    Thus way they basically have all the hard work already done and this airplane model is proven to work.

    So they are just taking existing template and are replacing part by part with composites. This massively reduces time from research to finished product.

    Once they verify that composite parts work as expected they just need to redesign the interiors, update avionics and select engines.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:38 pm

    17 April, 2017 SOURCE: Flightglobal Pro BY: David Kaminski-Morrow London

    Russian analysts have conducted windtunnel tests on an overwing-engine aircraft design which is intended to reduce noise.

    The Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute says the short-haul aircraft model features a shallow-swept laminar-flow wing to cut drag.

    It adds that the design includes the "distinguishing" characteristic of engines located above the wing, mounted over the trailing edge, while the model also has a low-set horizontal stabiliser. "This option is governed by a desire to reduce noise from airborne aircraft in the areas next to airports," says the institute. "It also allow for installation of more economical engines, with increased diameter." The institute adds that the overwing mounting also lowers the risk of debris ingestion.


    Overwing jet engines have been previously featured on aircraft designs such as the VFW 614 – which failed to gain success as a short-haul airliner – and more recently the Honda Aircraft HA-420 HondaJet.

    The institute says it has carried out transonic windtunnel tests with an improved model of an original design it had examined in 2015. These improvement include adjustment of the wing geometry to account for the laminar-flow requirements.

    Tests on the design in April have "confirmed the calculated predictions" of researchers, says the institute, stating the "aerodynamic quality" of the aircraft design has improved at airspeeds of M0.78.

    Analysts at the Moscow-based institute are set to explore the acoustic characteristics of the proposed aircraft as well as its structural strength.


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:55 am

    "B" learned about the plans to create a number of airlines to support the SSJ 100
    https://ria.ru/economy/20170418/1492457006.html

    MOSCOW, 18 Jul — RIA Novosti. The Ministry of industry and trade and the Ministry of transport of Russia offers to create on the basis of Red Wings airlines several airlines to use the SSJ 100 aircraft on domestic regional routes to support the production of these courts, told the newspaper "Kommersant" in the Ministry of industry and trade.

    "The Ministry and the transport Ministry to prepare proposals on measures to support the production of short-haul Sukhoi Superjet 100 through the supply of airline Red Wings to 100 of the planes from 2018 to 2022... Officials propose to create on the basis of Red Wings a few airlines to use up to 100 such vehicles in the domestic inter-regional routes", — the newspaper writes.

    The Ministry of industry and trade "Kommersant" said that the Red Wings plan to use as a base to create airlines for transportation between cities with populations over 200 thousand people (of such cities in Russia, about 100). As suggested by the Ministry, the project could "provide an additional measure to promote the aircraft to the domestic market and to promote mobility of the population".

    A similar initiative is already voiced in the fall of 2016. Then Minister of transport Maxim Sokolov said that the Russian investors are considering a project to create a new airline under the code name "Azimut", which will focus on transport in the South of Russia. According to the Minister, the company's fleet is planned to generate the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft, and it could be in 2017.

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    I hope later on they expand to introduce MS-21 aircrafts and start offering transportation routes to even harder to get places up north as well or secluded areas where the resource sector economies are. Having this kind of company creates an internal competition and will bring a lot of money to the aircraft manufacturers. Not to mention, it could possibly create the conditions for much cheaper air travel domestically and generate revenue through its operation as well. Creates lots of jobs, keeps manufacturing at home, and generates revenue. All in all, a good idea.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 01, 2017 11:19 pm


    Superjet net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year) as of 31 March 2017:



    As you can see they already cleared 300 unit break-even number of orders, now they need to reach 300 units manufactured.

    Stretch version will be nice addition.
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    Post  kvs on Tue May 02, 2017 12:04 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Superjet net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year) as of 31 March 2017:



    As you can see they already cleared 300 unit break-even number of orders, now they need to reach 300 units manufactured.

    Stretch version will be nice addition.

    Oh my, 384 units after 10 years. I wonder what it will be like after 20?

    Recall this post:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1054p775-russian-civil-aviation-news#78327



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    GORKI (Moscow Region), January 26 (Sputnik) – Russia plans to sell up to 1,000 MC-21 mid-range passenger jets within the next 20 years, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Monday. “The Irkut company plans to sell up to 1,000 of these planes over the next 20 years and we already have 175 solid orders,” Rogozin said during a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev outside Moscow.

    This is just political posturing. While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years, I'm just as sure it won't be 1,000. Not only is the market already heavily-saturated with competition, that competition includes long-proven products from Boeing and Airbus.

    Rogozin is prone to blustering anyway..

    Nobody wants Russian junk. LOL.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 02, 2017 3:00 am


    If nothing goes sideways MS-21 will be hitting some very decent numbers. It is a product that has some very tangible advantages over the competition (composite wings, passenger space, economy....)

    Superjet is sweet aircraft but it is pretty standard when it comes to features. Only real advantage is price. Still it is pulling it's weight. It will definitely leave it's mark in history of airliners.

    Also, one of Superjet's potential competitors (Mitsubishi Regional Jet ) has his some development problems recently:
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2582480.html

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Austin on Tue May 02, 2017 7:53 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Superjet net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year) as of 31 March 2017:



    As you can see they already cleared 300 unit break-even number of orders, now they need to reach 300 units manufactured.

    Stretch version will be nice addition.

    I am not sure if those data are correct , This one show 127 SSJ in Total has been produced till date

    http://superjet100.info/registry-english

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    Post  marat on Tue May 02, 2017 10:07 am

    kvs wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Superjet net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year) as of 31 March 2017:



    As you can see they already cleared 300 unit break-even number of orders, now they need to reach 300 units manufactured.

    Stretch version will be nice addition.

    Oh my, 384 units after 10 years.   I wonder what it will be like after 20?

    Recall this post:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1054p775-russian-civil-aviation-news#78327




    They produced  and delivered about 100+ in first 10 years, so post was right hundreds in first 20 years but not 1.000.


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    GORKI (Moscow Region), January 26 (Sputnik) – Russia plans to sell up to 1,000 MC-21 mid-range passenger jets within the next 20 years, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Monday.  “The Irkut company plans to sell up to 1,000 of these planes over the next 20 years and we already have 175 solid orders,” Rogozin said during a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev outside Moscow.

    This is just political posturing. While I'm sure they'll manufacture a couple hundred aircraft within 20 years, I'm just as sure it won't be 1,000. Not only is the market already heavily-saturated with competition, that competition includes long-proven products from Boeing and Airbus.

    Rogozin is prone to blustering anyway..

    Nobody wants Russian junk.  LOL.

    But he was right. In first 10 years they have delivered slighty more then 100 of SSJ. And they will not produce 900 in next 10 years that is for sure. This year maybee they will have 30-35 newly produced SSJ.

    And last year they have just 20 new orders, that is quite bad.


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  marat on Tue May 02, 2017 10:12 am

    Austin wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Superjet net orders and deliveries (cumulative by year) as of 31 March 2017:



    As you can see they already cleared 300 unit break-even number of orders, now they need to reach 300 units manufactured.

    Stretch version will be nice addition.

    I am not sure if those data are correct , This one show 127 SSJ in Total has been produced till date

    http://superjet100.info/registry-english

    One information is about produced and another about delivered, there is a difference. After production sometimes months have to past in testing and costomisation befor they delevered plane to the costumer.

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    Post  Austin on Tue May 02, 2017 10:20 am

    IIRC the break even for SukhoiSuperjet was 180 Aircraft , So post that Sukhoi would be making handsome returns on this program.

    I wonder why Sukhoi is not trying to first capture the CIS market with SSJ and MS-21 program besides their own internal market that would easily translate to more than 600 -1000 aircraft

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    Post  marat on Tue May 02, 2017 10:34 am

    I think that main problem is maintenace network. Boing Airbus and even Embraer have several decades of creating maintenance network around the globe. So companies know that all malfunctions on their jets could be fixed in minimum time no matter where their jet is.

    Sukhoi is new in this business and very small number of companies use their jets for now and therefore there is huge gaps in globe wihout any maintenace facilities for SSJ.

    MS 21 will have the same problem.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  kvs on Wed May 03, 2017 1:09 am

    marat wrote:

    But he was right. In first 10 years they have delivered slighty more then 100 of SSJ. And they will not produce 900 in next 10 years that is for sure. This year maybee they will have 30-35 newly produced SSJ.

    And last year they have just 20 new orders, that is quite bad.

    What the hell are you smoking. The 384 figure is the actual order book. No company ignores their order book.
    And regardless of your semantics, if you are going to count only the aircraft produced then 10 years is not
    valid and the more correct figure is under six years since the 5 years are just the bootstrap phase.
    So 20 years does not start in 2007.

    The clown I quoted is debunked on the basis of the posted figures. But this is an extrapolation to the MC-21
    which he alleges will never exceed 1000 units. Your basic "proof" by assertion.


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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Wed May 03, 2017 1:16 am

    marat wrote:I think that main problem is maintenace network. Boing Airbus and even Embraer have several decades of creating maintenance network around the globe. So companies know that all malfunctions on their jets could be fixed in minimum time no matter where their jet is.

    Sukhoi is new in this business and very small number of companies use their jets for now and therefore there is huge gaps in globe wihout any maintenace facilities for  SSJ.

    MS 21 will have the same problem.
    Boeing is a partner of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (SCA) for customer support outside of CIS. Mexico's Interjet (the second biggest customer of the type, after Aeroflot) has been operating the SSJ for many years with an impressive availability rate (above 99%), which puts it on a par with both Boeing and Airbus aircraft. So this is not a problem anymore.

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