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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:53 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Not really, no.  Most distances Iran will travel are well within what SSJ-100 can do.

    The SSJ has only 108 passenger seats.

    sepheronx wrote:As well, since the sanctions have lifted, no deals with Russia is being made with Iran.  None.  Besides the completion of the nuclear power plants.  But they are loving the swaths of potential political knob polishing coming from the people who wanted them dead no more than half a year ago.  As well, now Iran wants Russias gas and oil market.  While Russia was offering oil barter trade (probably cancelled now) so Iran can stay afloat.

    We'll see.
    It was expected that Russia's oil and gas exporters are going to get more competition.

    sepheronx wrote:I find it also funny that Iran is willing to threaten suing Russia over S-300 but wont sue west over illegal sanctions and sanctioning spare parts of civil jets.

    Now you know how the Iranians felt when Russia did not deliver them the S-300 for the sake of the West & Israel.

    sepheronx wrote:I think Iran f*d Russia. One of the few nations defending it.

    How much did it cost Russia to "defend" Iran?

    It cost part of their image.  Probably cost them even more as well.  Now it cost them profits in oil and gas.

    Who would have thought that the lack of sales of S-300 to Iran could cause more diplomatic harm than 30+ years of sanctions, shooting down their airliner (and getting a medal for it), threatening to bomb them every year, aiding both sides of the war (Iran/Iraq) and funding/aiding their enemy at every turn for the last 30+ years.

    I would hate to see what kind of contracts Russia would have lost if they didn't sell them radar systems..........

    Edit: As well, sdelanounas didn't lie as they got it from the same source. So if Sputnik had a real interview, then it is the minister from Iran who lied. Or if there was no interview, then it was Sputnik.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:58 pm

    sepheronx wrote:It cost part of their image.  Probably cost them even more as well.  Now it cost them profits in oil and gas.

    What image costs are you talking about?

    sepheronx wrote:Who would have thought that the lack of sales of S-300 to Iran could cause more diplomatic harm than 30+ years of sanctions, shooting down their airliner (and getting a medal for it), threatening to bomb them every year, aiding both sides of the war (Iran/Iraq) and funding/aiding their enemy at every turn for the last 30+ years.

    It is not like that the Iran was passive. Iran managed to strike back and let America pay with blood, even in the 1980s.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:35 pm

    And yet, even if they paid in Blood (miniscule), that have no problem dealing with the devil whom no more than 6months ago threatened them (France and US especially). Russia didnt threaten them striking. As well, Russia still dealt with Iran economically while US had TOTAL sanctions. Not the same thing.

    Prestige now in regards to how foolish Russia was to vehemetly defend backstabbers.

    S-300 deal will probably happen but it will be last one for Iran from Russia.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:57 pm

    sepheronx wrote:And yet, even if they paid in Blood (miniscule), that have no problem dealing with the devil whom no more than 6months ago threatened them (France and US especially). Russia didnt threaten them striking. As well, Russia still dealt with Iran economically while US had TOTAL sanctions.  Not the same thing.

    Stop thinking in terms of favours and gratitude.
    Iranians uses many Boeing and Airbus planes. It was logical that they would buy something they are familiar with than replace them with something different.

    sepheronx wrote:Prestige now in regards to how foolish Russia was to vehemetly defend backstabbers.

    You have still not shown how much it cost Russia.

    sepheronx wrote:S-300 deal will probably happen but it will be last one for Iran from Russia.

    You don't want any new deals with Iran?
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:00 pm

    I already stated. It cost Russia in terms of dollar amounts in oil and gas (prices dropped considerably when the iran sanctions liftment agreement was made) it will cost Russia even more once the delivories start from Iran.

    Maybe so they have more experience, but one would think of after putting your eggs into one basket and then not being able to get spares for it, it would prompt them to diversify the supply. Heck, Iran has good experience with Tu-158 you know.

    I am also saying Iran may likely not buy anything more from Russia. Hell, Iran may be stupid enough to buy US weapons again like in Shah times. Didnt turn out well for Iran but you know what Insanity is.

    I say Russia should be more aggressive in doing business with them. Sell what they can, then to both sides. Iran can complain all they want afterwards.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:33 pm

    @serephonx: well if RT and Sputnik posted it then the news may be true.

    http://www.rt.com/news/316641-russia-iran-aerospace-deal/

    Tehran will pay $21 billion for satellite equipment and Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100) passenger aircraft from Russia, an Iranian official told Sputnik news agency.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:52 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote: Iranians uses many Boeing and Airbus planes. It was logical that they would buy something they are familiar with than replace them with something different.

    IMHO not only reason for deal with Russia. US and western "partners" are interested in making second Iraq/Libya/Syria in Iran. Russia will be opposing this for sake of own interest and security thus deals with Russia/China are less risky.


    ExBeobachter1987 wrote: You have still not shown how much it cost Russia.

    I am not sure if you can easily calculate this in money terms I would rather deals with Iran consider in temrs of investment in national security.


    ExBeobachter1987 wrote: You don't want any new deals with Iran?

    I presume he does but seph is a bit to emotional wrt to geopolitical situation No love but building good trade relations, common security objectives is best love you can have in politics Smile
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:18 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:@serephonx: well if RT and Sputnik posted it then the news may be true.

    http://www.rt.com/news/316641-russia-iran-aerospace-deal/

    Tehran will pay $21 billion for satellite equipment and Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100) passenger aircraft from Russia, an Iranian official told Sputnik news agency.

    Someone pointed out that no one has questioned or countered the statement on the amount of money, as we are well aware Iran did indeep buy satellites from Russia and co development. We are also aware that Iran is interested in the new Ilyushin transport planes, and that there are possible two ssj-100's for contract lease to Iran. So it is possible with all of these combined and Iran could have ordered the Ilyushins, that there is a $21B.

    I am also interested to see if they ever came to an agreement on making Russian cars in Iran and vice versa as they were hoping to do.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:28 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I am also interested to see if they ever came to an agreement on making Russian cars in Iran and vice versa as they were hoping to do.

    It would be a good deal for the Iranian consumers, but not the Iranian industry.
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    Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:38 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I am also interested to see if they ever came to an agreement on making Russian cars in Iran and vice versa as they were hoping to do.

    It would be a good deal for the Iranian consumers, but not the Iranian industry.

    I thought they had internal competition due to other auto manufacturers in Iran (they do make Nissan as well).

    If majority of the parts are Iranian made, the prices shouldnt go up due to currency exchange. So it could be the manufacturers making excuses for price gouging.

    If they lobby, chances of outside brands doing well is slim. But if lets say Sollers, or VW or Ford opens a plant in iran, I imagine the authorities would allow it.
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    Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:15 pm

    sepheronx wrote: If they lobby, chances of outside brands doing well is slim. But if lets say Sollers, or VW or Ford opens a plant in iran, I imagine the authorities would allow it.

    Iran population is young and fairly well educated and around comprises of almost 80 mln souls. This is like 30 % extra for customs union. Cooperation on fields of industry and hi tech can and shall bring prosperity to both counties. Then deal seem to be with very good prospects for the future.


    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I am also interested to see if they ever came to an agreement on making Russian cars in Iran and vice versa as they were hoping to do.

    It would be a good deal for the Iranian consumers, but not the Iranian industry.

    your line does not seem to work, could you elaborate this? So you say that having joint production, localized in high percentage is bad for industry? Then what is good? buy ready or screw-driver assembly like what west usually offers?


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:05 am

    Aviastar-SP manufactured the first test tailplane torsion box for MS-21 aircraft
    Russian Aviaton » Tuesday September 29, 2015 18:10 MSK

    Aviastar-SP in cooperation with Irkut Corporation is implementing a project for development of the next-generation airliner MS-21, press-service of United Aircraft Corporation reports.

    In particular, the Ulyanovsk-based enterprise completed the production of the first test composite tailplane torsion box for MS-21 aircraft.

    “The test tailplane torsion box was assembled by the specialists of Aviastar within a relatively short time, - head of the MS-21 components assembly workshop Mikhail Chuvashlov said. – Now the torsion box will be delivered to Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute named after professor N.E. Zhukovsky (TsAGI) in order to carry out a series of static tests. Upon completion of the testing the component will be delivered back to the Ulyanovsk-based enterprise in order to be modified (if necessary); then it will undergo bird strike tests.”

    Moreover, Aviastar-SP is completing the assembly of the first APU compartment for the first MS-21 prototype. At present the component is being fitted with all the required systems and after that it will be delivered to Irkutsk Aviation Plant for further assembly. Production of test front and back passenger doors is being completed; upon completion of the assembly the doors will be delivered to workshop No.354 for further testing. In parallel, doors for the first production MS-21 are being assembled along with a set of panels for aircraft MSN 0002 intended for static tests. Panels for F2 compartment have already been delivered to Irkutsk Aviation Plant. Moreover, in the network of MS-21 program the Ulyanovsk-based plant is completing installation of assembly lines designed for assembly of panels and fuselage compartments; the line for production of empennage is also under construction, UAC noted.

    MS-21 family of short- and medium-haul airliners seating from 150 to 211 passengers. In the network of cooperation, the Ulyanovsk-based aviation plant is responsible for production of the following components: fuselage panels for sections F1, F2, F3, F4, F5; fin compartment and APU compartment; all the doors (11 doors per aircraft); vertical and horizontal stabilizers (with rudders and elevators). Moreover, specialists of the enterprise are manufacturing titan and aluminum parts for the jet’s wing; the parts are delivered to AeroComposit.

    http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2015/9/29/3574/


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:58 pm


    "European Deliveries of Russian SSJ-100 Passenger Planes to Start With UK

    Preliminary talks are already underway."


    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — European deliveries of the Russian Sukhoi Superjet 100 passenger aircraft will begin with a British air carrier, Russia's Trade and Industry Minister Denis Manturov said Friday.

    "We are already holding preliminary negotiations," Manturov told reporters.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20151002/1027932329/supejet-100-uk.html#ixzz3nQlMixwy
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:54 am

    Russia May Deliver 5 SSJ-100 Planes to Irish CityJet Airline

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20151004/1028008992/ssj-100-ireland.html#ixzz3nesdxbR2
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:14 pm

    Pilots of bankrupt Transaero look for jobs in South-East Asia

    A recent promise of Aerflot’s CEO to give jobs to up to 6,000 people from Transaero, was rather a PR move to calm them, the president of the pilots’ trade union at Moscow Sheremetyevo airport says

    MOSCOW, October 5. /TASS/. Many pilots of Russia’s second biggest airline Transaero, which has gone bankrupt, are trying to find jobs at Chinese, Vietnamese and South Korean airlines, knowing that not all of them will be transferred to Aeroflot flagship carrier, the president of the pilots’ trade union at Moscow Sheremetyevo airport told TASS on Monday.

    "Many pilots of Transaero have started looking for jobs abroad, as not all of them believe they will be able to get jobs in Aeroflot," Igor Deldyuzhov said. "I personally know several pilots who are being transferred to an airline in South-East Asia. Some pilots are now looking into similar job offers," he added.

    Deldyuzhev was speaking about airlines of China, Vietnam and South Korea, where air transportation grows and salaries are high.

    He also said that a recent promise of Aerflot’s director general Vitaly Savelyev to give jobs to up to 6,000 people from Transaero, was rather a PR move to calm Transaero pilots.

    "The company will hardly be able to adopt so many people. Many pilots have loans. How can they steer aircraft in this condition? Of course, they had to be calmed this way or another," he continued.

    He also said that many of those who once quit Aeroflot for an actively developing Transaero in search for new opportunities and big salaries would hardly have chances to get back to Aeroflot. When in Transaero, they were taught to operate new aircraft - Boeing 777, Boeing 747, while Aeroflot did not give such opportunities at that time, and now an unspoken stance of Aeroflot is not to give jobs to them, Deldyuzhov said.

    The trade union leader said pilots were also quitting Aeroflot itself for companies of South-East Asia. He said the salaries of pilots-in-command in Aeroflot were about 300,000 roubles (about 5,000 dollars), while salaries in South-East Asian airlines were at least 12,000 dollars.

    He also said Turkish Airlines was demonstrating big interest in Russian pilots. "One month before this crisis of Transaero, they came to Moscow, rented an office and worked to win over [Russian specialists]. "They know about major job cuts in OrenAir in UtAir, and monitor the situation," the specialist added.


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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Neutrality on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:23 pm

    I still can't quite grasp what the hell happened with Transaero. So Aeroflot decides to buy Transaero then they say they won't do it. Transaero's shares drop by 20% and later it drops by another 40%? Did they artificially bankrupt an entire company?
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:25 pm

    Neutrality wrote:I still can't quite grasp what the hell happened with Transaero. So Aeroflot decides to buy Transaero then they say they won't do it. Transaero's shares drop by 20% and later it drops by another 40%? Did they artificially bankrupt an entire company?

    Yeap. Transaero has already stated they are filing for bankruptcy. Aeroflot was pissed when Transaero filed for Bankruptcy prior to agreement from Aeroflot so they decided that they won't purchase 60% of shares or whatever.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:42 pm


    Russian woman's remarkable mission to restore Soviet jet airliner

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/06/aviation/russian-plane-restorer/index.html?sr=fb100615russian-plane-restorer0430PMStoryGal&linkId=17725906
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:16 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I thought they had internal competition due to other auto manufacturers in Iran (they do make Nissan as well).

    Apparently there was not enough competition.

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I am also interested to see if they ever came to an agreement on making Russian cars in Iran and vice versa as they were hoping to do.

    It would be a good deal for the Iranian consumers, but not the Iranian industry.

    your line does not seem to work, could you elaborate this? So you say that having joint production, localized in high percentage is bad for industry?  Then what is good? buy ready or screw-driver assembly like what west usually offers?

    What is good is a competitive, good product for the domestic consumers/customers.
    Products from the West tend to be more competitive.
    It is reasonable to protect your own producers if they have potential, but it can backfire as it did in Iran's case.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:26 pm

    I dont see how it backfired. Iranians get jobs, more money through taxation and it helps the metallurgy companies. When you simply import, it doesnt provide any of those benefits besides maybe the company who imports and gets their share.
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:43 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I dont see how it backfired. Iranians get jobs, more money through taxation and it helps the metallurgy companies. When you simply import, it doesnt provide any of those benefits besides maybe the company who imports and gets their share.

    Image damage (it is quite embarrassing that Iranian people boycott their domestic cars) and reduced purchasing power (Iranians have to spend more money on cars than they should have to).
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:58 pm

    Iranians themselves have also a lot to understand, especially in economics.

    Here in the west, competition is also technically lacking as there are few producers of parts but many assembly companies and in the end, prices are still skyrocketing. A nissan you could buy a year ago costs roughly over a grand or more now, and it is assembled in Canada.

    I dont know too much about Iranian cars but one thing I do know is they use a lot of older German engines since they have rights since shah era. But when you essentially put an import over your own, will help decline jobs and eventually taxation thus less social benefits thus less money and that means more people who couldnt afford a car.  It all is a domino effect.  Eventually, Iranians would ask the question (and them blame the government): oh why did our industry fall apart? How did the plants closed? Oh why is this happening?  There needs to be some form of control. Inports wont do anyone good. If they can though get foreign companies to use domestic companies, metallurgy companies and build a parts plant in the country, and that would really help and would do more for Iran than not.

    As well, I am pretty certain that Iranian automakers are doing quite well economically and also started exporting to Iraq (there were plans to start exporting to Belarus too but dunno what happened with that).

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:10 am

    PD-14 being installed in an Il-76 to begin flight tests in early November:
    http://russianplanes.net/id175655
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  Neutrality on Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:32 pm

    CityJet (Irish company) and Sukhoi Civil Aviation signed a contract for the delivery of 15 SSJ-100 with an option to buy another 10.

    http://ria.ru/economy/20151013/1301216232.html
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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:57 pm

    Neutrality wrote:CityJet (Irish company) and Sukhoi Civil Aviation signed a contract for the delivery of 15 SSJ-100 with an option to buy another 10.

    http://ria.ru/economy/20151013/1301216232.html

    You beat me to the punch.

    This is big news as in the past, Russian industries, especially aerospace didn't get into western markets. This is a good change for sure.

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