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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:02 pm

    Scientists of the University have created a robot for the production of parts of Ka-62
    Scientists of the University have created a robotic system with a high level of artificial intelligence for production of parts for civil helicopters Ka-62, which is collected on the plant "Progress" in Primorye, according to the University.
    In 2013, the University won the grant for modernization of production processes of the plant "Progress". The total funding of the three-year project is 405 million rubles: 220 million sent "Progress", 185 million was subsidized by the state.
    "FEFU completed extensive work on the development of an intelligent robotic complex for processing of polymer composite parts of new civil helicopters Ka-62. This model Arseniev aircraft company "Progress" named after N. And. Sazykina is one of the most anticipated products of the holding "Helicopters of Russia" on the world market. A unique system, designed and assembled by scientists in the Engineering school FEFU, capable of handling water jet method over 250 species of parts with dimensions up to six meters of the 22 types of composite materials", — stated in the message.
    At the final stage pending final debug a complex operation, and by the end of 2015 and launch it into pilot operation at the plant.
    Assembled in the University complex consists of a number of systems — robot system create high pressure and flow of the abrasive powder, the individual training system and water filtration, control panel and control system of the technological complex that stores information about the types of parts and materials.
    The developers note that the complex has a sufficient level of artificial intelligence, and the robot, in addition to program management independently, using a laser scanner to identify the line on which to cut the parts.

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    Re: Ka-60 Multirole Helicopter:

    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:39 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Turbomeca and Helicopters of Russia have signed a firm contract to supply 40 engines" Ardiden 3G »Helicopter Ka-62

    TSAMTO, May 19. The exhibition HeliRussia-2011 holding "Helicopters of Russia placed its first order for delivery of 40 series engines" Ardiden 3G »company Turbomeca for medium helicopters Ka-62.

    The first delivery of 40 engines for Russian Helicopters will be implemented over two years, the press service of the company.

    This contract was the first firm orders in the implementation of the framework agreement on the development and delivery, at least, 308 engines of this type to be installed on the modernized helicopter Ka-62, signed "Helicopters of Russia" and the French company Turbomeca in April 2011.

    As the general director of holding "Helicopters of Russia, Dmitry Petrov," we managed to conclude a contract to supply the first batch of engines almost immediately after the signing of framework agreements. I am confident that our partnership will be fruitful. "


    It was always annoying me how Russians lagged behind in those small helicopter engines so AnsatU and Kasatka now have to use Western types till they finish domestic development.


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    Re: Ka-60 Multirole Helicopter:

    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:55 am

    TR1 wrote:http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/13/helicopter/

    Military Ka-62 won't appear until 2016.

    Here is the most recent article i found about military Ka-60 (Ka-62 is the civilian version)
    http://rueconomics.ru/137744-konversiya-po-rogozinski-vertoletu-kasatka-dali-mirnoe-zadanie/

    It says in general that Defense Ministry hasn't shown interest in this helicopter because its tasks are covered completely by Mi8/17s


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    Post  Militarov on Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:53 pm

    George1 wrote:
    TR1 wrote:http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/13/helicopter/

    Military Ka-62 won't appear until 2016.

    Here is the most recent article i found about military Ka-60 (Ka-62 is the civilian version)
    http://rueconomics.ru/137744-konversiya-po-rogozinski-vertoletu-kasatka-dali-mirnoe-zadanie/

    It says in general that Defense Ministry hasn't shown interest in this helicopter because its tasks are covered completely by Mi8/17s

    Hmm, covered yes however Kasatka would do many of those things alot cheaper, that was the idea when Ka60 design was born to make medium helicopter between light ones and Mi8 platform. And i belive Kasatka would be cheaper to start with. Imo its ideal for Search and Rescue, VIP transport, Medievac and similar non combat tasks where amount of workload is too small for Mi8.

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    Post  Isos on Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:01 pm

    They should design a gunship version with 2 heavy machines or grenade lunchers on both side and better armourd. A lot of country would buy it for anti guerilla role. They could complete Mi 28 and Ka 52 too.

    Russia needs some of these machines. The Mi-8/17 are pretty big for that role.

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    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:54 am

    I wonder if Ka-60 could be a successful naval helicopter like US SH-60 Seahawk


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:38 am

    Huge competition from other Kamovs...

    In situations where height is an issue the non coaxial rotor design of the Ka-60 would be useful... but a tail rotor on a deck is a pain in the backside... Ka-32 range much better than any model Blackhawk in terms of deck safety.

    For a smaller vessel the Ka-60 might be a good choice, but the Ka-226T would likely be more flexible and better for many missions.

    A smaller lighter cheaper Ka-50 would be interesting...


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    Re: Ka-60 Multirole Helicopter:

    Post  wilhelm on Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:41 am


    First flight of the Ka-62 happened.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1873718.html

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    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:00 am

    wilhelm wrote:
    First flight of the Ka-62 happened.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1873718.html

    this is the civilian version


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    Post  Grazneyar on Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:56 am

    The air intakes for the engines appear unconventional. Does anyone have more info on this?

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    Re: Ka-60 Multirole Helicopter:

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:57 am

    Grazneyar wrote:The air intakes for the engines appear unconventional. Does anyone have more info on this?

    Not really they're a variant of Euromil's layout. Mil Mi 38.
    It was done so they could put PW127's on them for foreign customers. This has been retained for the Klimov's that were offered as an alternative.


    Layout has been retained for the Ka62, because it also has foreign turbo-shafts, from Italy...


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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun May 01, 2016 11:22 pm

    Isos wrote:They should design a gunship version with 2 heavy machines or grenade lunchers on both side and better armourd. A lot of country would buy it for anti guerilla role. They could complete Mi 28 and Ka 52 too.

    Russia needs some of these machines. The Mi-8/17 are pretty big for that role.

    yeah it would be good to see this in armed version, however the for small light attack heli they have the Ansat 2RC, which would be armed with 12.7mm guns, and 4 hard points to carry rockets, bombs, and small anti air missiles. its not that much smaller really.

    http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/ansat_2rc.htm









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    Re: Ka-60 Multirole Helicopter:

    Post  George1 on Thu May 12, 2016 10:28 pm

    Good news!! russia

    Russian Defense Ministry Considers Purchase of Multirole Ka-60 Helicopters


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    Re: Ka-60 Multirole Helicopter:

    Post  Austin on Wed May 18, 2016 1:37 pm

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2016-05-17/new-russian-naval-helicopter-previewed

    The Ka-60 medium-lift helicopter first flew in 1998, as a potential replacement for the Mil Mi-2 series. Prototypes were subsequently displayed on various occasions. But although the Ka-60’s two NPO Saturn 1,300-hp RD-600V turboshafts gained certification in December 2003, no production orders were forthcoming. The Ka-60 then provided the basis for a civilian version (designated Ka-62), which was displayed in mockup form from 2012. After repeated delays it made its first flight on April 26, 2016. The Ka-62 would be powered by a pair of Turbomeca Ardiden 3G engines each developing 1,680 hp.

    At the press briefing, Andrei Boginsky, deputy minister for industry and trade, said that the French engine is economical and could be license-produced in Russia. But he also suggested that a foreign engine is not acceptable for “certain customers,” presumably meaning the Russian military. Boginsky said that the RD-600V still provides an alternative, if it can be “reworked for higher performance and suitability to both military and civilian customers.” A higher-power version of the Russian engine that produces 1,500 hp is being developed.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed May 18, 2016 1:41 pm

    Austin wrote:https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2016-05-17/new-russian-naval-helicopter-previewed

    The Ka-60 medium-lift helicopter first flew in 1998, as a potential replacement for the Mil Mi-2 series. Prototypes were subsequently displayed on various occasions. But although the Ka-60’s two NPO Saturn 1,300-hp RD-600V turboshafts gained certification in December 2003, no production orders were forthcoming. The Ka-60 then provided the basis for a civilian version (designated Ka-62), which was displayed in mockup form from 2012. After repeated delays it made its first flight on April 26, 2016. The Ka-62 would be powered by a pair of Turbomeca Ardiden 3G engines each developing 1,680 hp.

    At the press briefing, Andrei Boginsky, deputy minister for industry and trade, said that the French engine is economical and could be license-produced in Russia. But he also suggested that a foreign engine is not acceptable for “certain customers,” presumably meaning the Russian military. Boginsky said that the RD-600V still provides an alternative, if it can be “reworked for higher performance and suitability to both military and civilian customers.” A higher-power version of the Russian engine that produces 1,500 hp is being developed.

    This means, Turbomekski Ardidenov 3 ZH is going no where and will be on Russian Military helicopters.

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    Re: Ka-60 Multirole Helicopter:

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 18, 2016 2:10 pm

    So they are still working on a small engine (probably still, based upon how article states), is the RD-600. Hope it all works out OK.

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    Post  Militarov on Wed May 18, 2016 2:17 pm

    There are also other major components for smaller helicopters that Russia needs to figure out, most importantly clutches and gearboxes, beside engines.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 19, 2016 12:19 pm

    There are also other major components for smaller helicopters that Russia needs to figure out, most importantly clutches and gearboxes, beside engines.

    No more difficulty than any western company would have trying to make an Mi-26 class helo or indeed even a coaxial rotor aircraft in the 10-12 ton class like the military Kamovs like KA-52 and Ka-27 family.

    Actually the clutches and gearboxes and even engines would scale down easier than they would scale up.


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