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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  medo on Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:49 pm

    If bomb attack on the plane will be proved as real, than it is only a question of time, when RuAF will bomb ISIS capital Mosul. Egypt will be also pressed to start a major military operation in Sinai to destroy terrorists there and to increase control on the border with Libya. I think some European airliners already stop flying over Sinai until all this become clear.

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:58 pm

    Condolences... Mad

    Also same preliminary summary as MH370. So much bullshit with airlines lately.

    If it was Wahabbi inbreds who engineered this I hope they are hunted down. If it's an accident (which I am so skeptical of in this day and age) then nothing but thoughts and prayers for the families involved, and a quick and smooth investigation.

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    Post  whir on Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:06 pm

    Khepesh wrote:To me the balance, without yet any forensic details known, tilts more to terrorism than accident.
    Most direct flights from touristic destinations to major cities are chartered by tour operators and that means booking a holiday package, going onboard is not as easy as buying a ticket at the airport.

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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:13 pm



    "Egypt has found and obtained both black boxes from a Russian passenger plane that crashed in the country's Sinai peninsula on Saturday, the civil aviation minister told a news conference. There are normally two black boxes on an aircraft, one for cockpit voice recordings and one for flight data. Egyptian authorities had earlier said they only found one."

    Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/31/us-egypt-crash-blackbox-idUSKCN0SP13R20151031

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:21 pm

    Egyptian security forces & government officials at the crash site of flight 7K9268:


















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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:14 pm

    So what about the black boxes?

    Will they be given to russia without hesitation or will they try to be the authority for it and "investigate" it on their own and will play rhetoric games that russia has no buisness of looking at blackboxes? That will be the catchy thing that will set down to whom some should be sceptical about.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:30 pm

    Werewolf wrote:So what about the black boxes?

    Will they be given to russia without hesitation or will they try to be the authority for it and "investigate" it on their own and will play rhetoric games that russia has no buisness of looking at blackboxes? That will be the catchy thing that will set down to whom some should be sceptical about.

    Well seems some guys from Airbus are coming to Egypt to work with black boxes.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:32 pm

    Condolences
    Very sad tragedy Sad

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:46 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
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    Hihihi... Laughing No my dear. Liking Jews and liking some of their ideas about themselves are two totally different things altogether.

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    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:53 am



    Ill post this for some people that apparently have big time issues understanding limitations of MANPADs.

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    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:57 am



    "Black box" being retrieved.

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    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:02 am

    "The BEA Safety Investigators team, alongside two German Federal Bureau of Aircraft Accident Investigation (BFU) safety investigators, will join four Russian Interstate Aviation Committee investigators on the ground of the site of the Russian airliner crash in Egypt. "A first team, consisting of two BEA Safety Investigators, accompanied by six technical advisers from Airbus, will leave for Egypt Sunday, November 1," BEA said in a statement. It added that the team, alongside two German Federal Bureau of Aircraft Accident Investigation (BFU) safety investigators, will join four Russian Interstate Aviation Committee investigators on the ground. Russian and Egyptian officials confirmed there were no survivors aboard the Airbus-321 flight 9268 en route from the resort city of Sharm El-Sheikh to St. Petersburg that crashed on the Sinai Peninsula on Saturday. Egyptian Prime Minister Sheri Ismail said at a press briefing in Cairo investigators began reading the flight data recorder recovered at the crash site."

    Source: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151031/1029404651/bea-experts-air-crash-ivestigation.html#ixzz3qC3AJguF

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:35 am

    Condolences.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:58 am

    I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:31 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.

    ISIS would have to have planted a bomb on board before takeoff. This is what Sikh terrorists did to the Air India flight from Canada in 1985.
    The Sinai would be the last place to look for terrorists in this case. I don't think it is totally excluded that a bomb could have been planted via
    the luggage if the airport where the plane was loaded is compromised.

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    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:06 am





    Over 80 Russia emergency ministry personnel land in Egypt early Sunday.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:53 am

    Regular wrote:Yes guys, try to use Aeroflot. It's 3*, safe and reliable. I personally had no problem with them. And my mother flies with them very often and according to her it has best service in Russia.
    So I was watching Russian tv and it seems that airline building was raided. And there are talks about banning older than 15 year old planes from operating. Damn.
    Very sad, for catholics today is day to remember and honor all deceased, my family will be lighting candles for victims as well.

    I was thinking on what ways to drastically improve the other flight companies reliability and airplane airworthiness.  And I figured why not the government set up a company or give license to a company or two that deals specifically with aircraft maintenance and inspections for the civil airliners?  All the companies would have to obtain a license and contract agreement with the said companies and the companies have to set up office and operations at various airports throughout the country.  So that the airliners cannot cheap out on repairs and inspections and if any fault ever occurs, it is through these maintenance companies.

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    Post  BKP on Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:18 am

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.

    ISIS would have to have planted a bomb on board before takeoff.   This is what Sikh terrorists did to the Air India flight from Canada in 1985.  
    The Sinai would be the last place to look for terrorists in this case.   I don't think it is totally excluded that a bomb could have been planted via
    the luggage if the airport where the plane was loaded is compromised.

    Hmm, in just the last the 15 years the US has been behind all manner of nefarious shenanigans in the ME without suffering a single civil aviation disaster on flights to and from countries located there. At least none that I can recall, but correct me if I'm wrong. But now, just a month into its first substantial military operation outside of its own borders in decades, Russia suffers this?

    No, it's probably just more evidence of the ongoing crummy state of Russian civil aviation. And, if it turns out that there was a bomb planted on board, then why wasn't security better at this time for obvious reasons? Either way, its down to negligence and incompetence. The Russian government must, at long last, do something to get this situation in hand.

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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:37 am

    That the Egyptians have extended the search area for bodies to a radius of 8 km from the crash site shows that the aircraft broke up before hitting the ground. Generally there are only two reasons why an aircraft will break up before hitting the ground. Either the fall was so fast that it was beyond the airframe capabilities and the wings ripped off etc, or explosion. Terrorists, and governments, can be so devious that a way of planting a bomb could have been devised that circumvents current security measures. He was an odd fellow, but Rumsfeld's "unknown unknowns" etc quote was very good and should not be forgotten. http://ria.ru/world/20151101/1311727342.html

    I'm not categorically saying it was a bomb, but too me the balance still weighs on that side until evidence shows it to be an accident. On the networks this morning there is a lot of comments that it was not a bomb because the wreckage/victims are all in one place and if it was a bomb then wreckage and victims spread apart. The news that the search area is to be expanded is fresh, at the time I post this, and alters those arguments against a bomb.

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    Post  Dima on Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:15 am

    Do not want to change track, but whats your opinion on this video which claims to be an attack by the IS, has anyone see this same video before being credited to any other attack?


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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:59 am

    Dima wrote:Do not want to change track, but whats your opinion on this video which claims to be an attack by the IS, has anyone see this same video before being credited to any other attack?


    To be honest that smoke trail looks like from a video game. I think i have seen that before and that flimsy footage and quality of picture in a century where little spoiled brats run around with smartphones suggest to me that this is a rather crime to bring such footage and claim it to be evidence.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:09 pm

    http://tass.ru/en/society/833256

    Black boxes found with some damage but no thermal damage.

    http://tass.ru/en/society/833256

    Search for bodies soon to be completed.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:31 pm

    BKP wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.

    ISIS would have to have planted a bomb on board before takeoff.   This is what Sikh terrorists did to the Air India flight from Canada in 1985.  
    The Sinai would be the last place to look for terrorists in this case.   I don't think it is totally excluded that a bomb could have been planted via
    the luggage if the airport where the plane was loaded is compromised.

    Hmm, in just the last the 15 years the US has been behind all manner of nefarious shenanigans in the ME without suffering a single civil aviation disaster on flights to and from countries located there. At least none that I can recall, but correct me if I'm wrong. But now, just a month into its first substantial military operation outside of its own borders in decades, Russia suffers this?

    No, it's probably just more evidence of the ongoing crummy state of Russian civil aviation. And, if it turns out that there was a bomb planted on board, then why wasn't security better at this time for obvious reasons? Either way, its down to negligence and incompetence. The Russian government must, at long last, do something to get this situation in hand.

    Airport baggage security is controlled by airports outside Russia during international flights. You can't blame Russia for this.
    I have to correct my assessment, the plane did take off from an airport in the Sinai itself and so it could have been compromised there.

    Now there is evidence that the plane broke up in mid air. This is now pointing to a bomb on board.

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    Post  BKP on Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:29 pm

    kvs wrote:
    BKP wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:I really don't think there was any terrorism involved, and most likely it was just malfunctions that caused the plane crash.

    ISIS would have to have planted a bomb on board before takeoff.   This is what Sikh terrorists did to the Air India flight from Canada in 1985.  
    The Sinai would be the last place to look for terrorists in this case.   I don't think it is totally excluded that a bomb could have been planted via
    the luggage if the airport where the plane was loaded is compromised.

    Hmm, in just the last the 15 years the US has been behind all manner of nefarious shenanigans in the ME without suffering a single civil aviation disaster on flights to and from countries located there. At least none that I can recall, but correct me if I'm wrong. But now, just a month into its first substantial military operation outside of its own borders in decades, Russia suffers this?

    No, it's probably just more evidence of the ongoing crummy state of Russian civil aviation. And, if it turns out that there was a bomb planted on board, then why wasn't security better at this time for obvious reasons? Either way, its down to negligence and incompetence. The Russian government must, at long last, do something to get this situation in hand.

    Airport baggage security is controlled by airports outside Russia during international flights.   You can't blame Russia for this.
    I have to correct my assessment, the plane did take off from an airport in the Sinai itself and so it could have been compromised there.

    Now there is evidence that the plane broke up in mid air.   This is now pointing to a bomb on board.

    Russia can't be blamed? Why haven't the US and its "coalition of the willing" partners had similar things happen to them with all of the shit they have pulled in the ME over the years? Russia must embed its own trusted security personnel within the Russian airlines operating at foreign airports. If it can't do this for some reason, then they must cease operating from those places. Russia has enemies who have no moral issue with arranging for the deaths of civilians in order to achieve some end, and yes that does include the US government itself.

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