BKP wrote:^Well, I was being a stickler about annexation. Like I said, there's no hard evidence of Soviet planning for it that I've ever seen. You could say well, as a patriot, the thought of foreigners aiding to push a compliant/puppet government into power in my own country is not very much different to me than annexation. And, I can understand that.
But, anyhow, the events of those years in the first decades of the 20th century came fast, and were complicated and tumultuous. I do feel I have sympathy toward Finland and it's situation in those times. It wanted independence, but was like a pebble contending with rolling boulders. I have caveats as well, to be sure, but it's an endless discussion. Fug it.
It had full independence after the Revolution of 1917. It chose to crawl up Hitler's ass and the USSR was not forcing it. The land concession
around Leningrad had historical legitimacy. The Finns claim the whole of the Karelian isthmus (between Lake Ladoga and the Gulf of Finland in the
Baltic Sea) but this is self-serving BS. About half of the isthmus, including the lands around Leningrad were part of Novgorod.
Yeah, did I mention I had caveats regarding Finland? Partnering up, whole or in part, with NG would be the biggest among those. And, what, you're saying they were claiming the entire green area on that map? Well, that wasn't about to happen, if they were indeed about that.
But, anyhow, it goes on and on, doesn't it? For every grievance each side has a justification and counter-grievance. Sometimes there's merit and sometimes not, but it starts getting difficult to fully disentangle the further back it goes until it becomes like a Ph.d research project.
Believe me, I have argued about this stuff with Finns again and again, and many of them are just fanatical about it. At some point I started throwing up my hands and saying "fuck all of this shit
." I mean, this is one of the biggest problems with Europeans, to me. They nurse on butthurt like a starving infant on a candy-coated milk tit. And in some cases the ultimate origins of their conflicts disappear back beyond the dimmest mists of recorded history.
Honestly, if I can find anyone, Finn or otherwise, that will be even halfway reasonable on this stuff, I am more than willing to bury the hatchet and move on at this point.