kvs wrote: Karl Haushofer wrote: sepheronx wrote: Karl Haushofer wrote:
The biggest Finnish military forum has also gotten really Russophobic
Indeed. I registered to maanpuolustus.net and got banned after only a few post, for supporting Novorossiya in the Ukrainian civil war.
It seems your government and various people in higher positions are always pushing the anti Russian sentiment and NATO agenda. But it seems the Finnish people have a different opinion.
Not everyone of course but seems that not all Finns are brainwashed.
Only a minority, and a small minority that is.
Finland never was and never will be a pro-Russian country. I'd say our government is actually less anti-Russian than the Finnish people. In that regard Finland is the opposite of the Anglo-Saxon countries. I never thought that general American and British people hate the Russians or Russia, but their governments are Russia's mortal enemies. Whereas in Finland our government always tries to keep at least somewhat pragmatic relations with Russia, but the anti-Russian segment among common populace is very deep.
Those Finns who openly support Russia here can be into some trouble here.
Peculiar people you Finns. You were sodomized nicely by Sweden but you have affection for it. But I can't find what happened
in the last several centuries that would produce such hate for Russia. My conclusion is that this is due to the 1930s Nazi alignment of Finland and
its winter war with the USSR. You have the perverse victimhood complex exhibited by the Baltic chihuahuas.
I stopped reading maanpuolustus.net soon after Ukraine. Haushofer, what exactly did you post there? How easy it is to get banned? Their "Russia news" thread was absolutely hilarious, that was the last I remember reading.
Yeah, Finnish-Russian relations are actually not that bad. But at the same time Finnish politicians are very pro-western. I think that most Anglo-Saxon people don't actually know anything about Russia (Finns are not much better, though), so you can basically tell them anything about Russia and they'll believe it. The Russian soft-power is just too miminal.
Finland wasn't actually "sodomized" by Sweden. That is anachronistic thinking. And yes, many Finns believe that, because of nationalism and because they don't know anything about history. "Finland" didn't exist, so it could not be sodomized either. Nationalism and nation states were invented later. "Finland" was an integral part of Sweden. The affection exists because our countries are in many ways very similar. It's the common history: common religion (even though "Scandinavians" are not religious at all anymore), the nordic welfare state model, similar institutions, similar standard of living and Swedish speaking minority is still quite influencial. It's historical irony that the autonomy under the Russian empire (after 1809) actually created and made a country called "Finland" possible by keeping the Swedish traditions intact, but at the same time separete from Sweden. Otherwise Finland would've likely been "Swedized" during the 1800s.
It's all about history and culture. Finland is more "western" than it's "Eastern European", but it has always been bordering Russia. Finland was under Russian rule before the independence and after that the USSR invaded Finland during WW2. The invasion in 1939 was honestly pretty blatant, but it can be argued that Finland was really inflexible during the negotiations and they didn't take the security of Leningrad in the account, vs. Germany. IMO, those Soviet concerns were legitimate, but it seems they were planning to annex Finland anyway.
The "Nazi alignment" was actually not particularly severe until 1940. Far-right parties were not popular and that didn't even change during the alliance with Germany. Tbh, they didn't have much of a choice in 1940-41, but of course Finland also tried to create "Greater Finland" during the German invasion of the USSR. Regarding the alliance with Germany, the "Finland and Germany were not allied, they were 'co-belligerents'" narrative is actually widely believed amongst Finns, which of course is total BS, even though Finland didn't do everything Germany asked. Not to mention that German troops and supplies were absolutely necessary.