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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:34 pm

    If it was a suicide bomber how did he/she enter the plane and pass the inspection?
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    Post  Guest on Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:37 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:If it was a suicide bomber how did he/she enter the plane and pass the inspection?

    Its Egypt, who says there was any inspection or security Very Happy
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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:40 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:If it was a suicide bomber how did he/she enter the plane and pass the inspection?

    Its Egypt, who says there was any inspection or security Very Happy
    Tourism is their most important industry so security of tourists should be a top priority.

    Hopefully many Russians will now abandon places Egypt, Turkey and Thailand and go for domestic tourism instead.
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    Post  Khepesh on Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:36 pm

    On a rough estimate, Russian tourists contribute almost 4% to the total Egyptian economy. There is sharp drop in bookings since Saturday, but this will be very short term and I doubt if Egypt will be deserted by tourists for long. Egypt is very very popular and Russians are more robust than many other nations when it comes to potential dangers. in Russia the sofa is for sitting on, not hiding behind.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:07 pm

    Khepesh wrote:On a rough estimate, Russian tourists contribute almost 4% to the total Egyptian economy. There is sharp drop in bookings since Saturday, but this will be very short term and I doubt if Egypt will be deserted by tourists for long. Egypt is very very popular and Russians are more robust than many other nations when it comes to potential dangers. in Russia the sofa is for sitting on, not hiding behind.

    Sounds familiar, after that shootout in Tunisia people all over were canceling tours but demand in Serbia skyrocketed. Everyone wanted to go on a fancy vacation on the cheap...lol1

    Nothing will stand between Serb and cheap vacation!!! thumbsup
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:15 pm

    Curious if true

    This is interesting. The map at the RIA Novosti link below is showing the intended flight route and the actual. Kind of what happened with MH-17 flight path change...


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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:55 pm

    Take it as you will

    An engine explosion has been identified as a main lead in the investigation into the cause of the crash of a Russian passenger plane in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, following preliminary analysis of the aircraft's black box recorders, local media reported on Wednesday.

    MOSCOW, November 4 (Sputnik) — According to the Egyptian Al-Masry Al-Youm newspaper, citing a source close to the investigation, the probable cause was initially suggested by experts working at the crash site in their analysis of plane debris.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151104/1029589834/media-box-a321-explosion.html#ixzz3qXhToGRd
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:08 pm

    Pity about the CVR

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — On Saturday, Airbus A321 passenger jet crashed en route from Sharm El-Sheikh to St. Petersburg killing all 224 people on board. The event is the worst civil aviation disaster in Russian history.

    "Following the tragic event involving Metrojet’s Airbus A321-200 (registration EI-ETJ), the Investigation Team has announced that the data from the Flight Data Recorder (FDR) has been extracted and validated," the ministry said in a Facebook posting. The ministry added that investigators from the Egypt-led team of experts would study the record in detail.

    It went on to say that the second black box — the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) — was partially damaged and "a lot of work is required in order to extract the data from it."


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151104/1029598503/black-boxes-data-a321-crash.html#ixzz3qXl0fab9
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    Post  Neutrality on Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:42 pm

    David Cameron's spokesperson says that there's a possibility the Russian flight was taken down by an explosive. The UK have suspended all flights from Sharm el-Sheikh to London.
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    Post  medo on Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:29 pm

    The bomb on the plane is the most probable explanation. This will be a big blow for Egyptian tourism as they will have to increase security measures around tourist and transport facilities.
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    Post  Guest on Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:34 pm

    "Russian aviation source on Egypt crash: examining version of "something stowed" on board. Nov 4 An investigation into the crash of a Russian plane in Egypt last Saturday is looking into the possibility of an object stowed on board causing the disaster, a Russian aviation source said on Wednesday.

    "There are two versions now under consideration: something stowed inside (the plane) and a technical fault. But the airplane could not just break apart in the air - there should be some action. A rocket is unlikely as there are no signs of that," the source said. (Reporting by Gleb Stolyarov; writing by Katya Golubkova; Editing by Gareth Jones)"


    Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/04/egypt-crash-cause-idUSL8N12Z56I20151104#L5FUMrlrOffPWybS.99
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    Post  zorobabel on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:51 am

    ISIS has been known to be working on bombs that can be smuggled into planes (getting through security) for a long time now. More likely, however, is the possibility that ISIS had someone working at the airport that got the bomb on board. Sharm el-Sheikh is known for having lax security, anyway.

    The emerging question is how the Kremlin will respond. The current bombing campaign is seemingly inadequate.
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    Post  par far on Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:37 pm

    zorobabel wrote:ISIS has been known to be working on bombs that can be smuggled into planes (getting through security) for a long time now. More likely, however, is the possibility that ISIS had someone working at the airport that got the bomb on board. Sharm el-Sheikh is known for having lax security, anyway.

    The emerging question is how the Kremlin will respond. The current bombing campaign is seemingly inadequate.


    It is not isis, it is the CIA.
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    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:33 pm

    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:ISIS has been known to be working on bombs that can be smuggled into planes (getting through security) for a long time now. More likely, however, is the possibility that ISIS had someone working at the airport that got the bomb on board. Sharm el-Sheikh is known for having lax security, anyway.

    The emerging question is how the Kremlin will respond. The current bombing campaign is seemingly inadequate.


    It is not isis, it is the CIA.

    Any proof of that or just the usual 'cia are responsible for everything' mantra?
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:24 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:ISIS has been known to be working on bombs that can be smuggled into planes (getting through security) for a long time now. More likely, however, is the possibility that ISIS had someone working at the airport that got the bomb on board. Sharm el-Sheikh is known for having lax security, anyway.

    The emerging question is how the Kremlin will respond. The current bombing campaign is seemingly inadequate.


    It is not isis, it is the CIA.

    Any proof of that or just the usual 'cia are responsible for everything' mantra?

    Any proof for your nonsense of ISIS working as some Intelligence Agency with tactics that are rellying on decade old experience of CIA?
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    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:32 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:
    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:ISIS has been known to be working on bombs that can be smuggled into planes (getting through security) for a long time now. More likely, however, is the possibility that ISIS had someone working at the airport that got the bomb on board. Sharm el-Sheikh is known for having lax security, anyway.

    The emerging question is how the Kremlin will respond. The current bombing campaign is seemingly inadequate.


    It is not isis, it is the CIA.

    Any proof of that or just the usual 'cia are responsible for everything' mantra?

    Any proof for your nonsense of ISIS working as some Intelligence Agency with tactics that are rellying on decade old experience of CIA?

    Hey, im not making the claim here, he is. If you make the claim, you better have something to back it up or shut your trap.

    Talking about 'my nonsense' is just diverting from the question, now why would you need to do that if the answer is so obvious?


    Lets not forget here, 224 innocent people were seemingly murdered and just making up stories without proof to fit a political agenda or hatred of the USA is disrespectful to those victims who deserve the truth. Maybe it was the cia, maybe it was isis, maybe it was the ukrainian air force or maybe it was aliens, but lets get some facts first shall we?



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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:39 pm

    The British and US intelligence agencies are telling that they have “evidence” that the downing of A321 was a terrorist attack. Since the official inquiry (without US or British participation) is still ongoing I have two possible explanations for this:

    1. The West is secretly happy that the Russian civilian plane was a target of terrorist attack. Haha, it was a Russian plane and not ours! Let’s rub it to their noses and claim terrorist involvement just to make Russians more angry.

    2. The West itself was involved in planning and carrying out the terrorist attack. The US clearly threatened Russia that Russia will “suffer casualties” because of their intervention in Syria. Now 260 Russian citizens lost their lives which is a rather big scale. The West cannot openly admit that they were behind the terrorist act, but this may be an indirect way of telling the same thing to Russia: “we have an ability to bring down your civilian airplanes and there is nothing you can do about it. Now, back off from Syria!”
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:45 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:
    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:ISIS has been known to be working on bombs that can be smuggled into planes (getting through security) for a long time now. More likely, however, is the possibility that ISIS had someone working at the airport that got the bomb on board. Sharm el-Sheikh is known for having lax security, anyway.

    The emerging question is how the Kremlin will respond. The current bombing campaign is seemingly inadequate.


    It is not isis, it is the CIA.

    Any proof of that or just the usual 'cia are responsible for everything' mantra?

    Any proof for your nonsense of ISIS working as some Intelligence Agency with tactics that are rellying on decade old experience of CIA?

    Hey, im not making the claim here, he is. If you make the claim, you better have something to back it up or shut your trap.

    Talking about 'my nonsense' is just diverting from the question, now why would you need to do that if the answer is so obvious?


    Lets not forget here, 224 innocent people were seemingly murdered and just making up stories without proof to fit a political agenda or hatred of the USA is disrespectful to those victims who deserve the truth. Maybe it was the cia, maybe it was isis, maybe it was the ukrainian air force or maybe it was aliens, but lets get some facts first shall we?

    Believing in US lies and fairytales is an insult to any intelligent mind and to the murdered people across the world.

    If you are one of the unintelligent people that believes the very US terrorist groups are acting without US knowledge or have no connections to US, especially since Russia has shamed US in Syria and Ukraine will stay without actions from US you are just another guilable sheep.

    Russia, attacks US terrorists, US starts bitching about Russias bombings of US mercenaries on the ground. Why? I ask you very specific? There is only one conclusion in colloration with facts we know that US is financing directly and indirectly those terrorists, controlling them along with only and soley US aligned dictatorships financing the very same terrorists (ISIS,FSA,Al-Nusra,Al-CIAda etc) Israel (US master), Turkey (US slave), Saudi shit of Arabia (US bitch), Qatar, Kuwait etc pp all aligned with US are financing those terrorists while have not made a single effort to counter them in very long time.

    You have to look at the actions not the speeches.

    US announced War on Drugs, after that announcement Afghany Opium rose from less 1% to over 94% of the global market on opium. The Central american drug cartells flourish since the War on Drugs by US like never before, terrorism aswell, there was never so much terror since US announced War on Terror. Now your turn to explain to me how the fuck is that possible?

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    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:30 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:
    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:ISIS has been known to be working on bombs that can be smuggled into planes (getting through security) for a long time now. More likely, however, is the possibility that ISIS had someone working at the airport that got the bomb on board. Sharm el-Sheikh is known for having lax security, anyway.

    The emerging question is how the Kremlin will respond. The current bombing campaign is seemingly inadequate.


    It is not isis, it is the CIA.

    Any proof of that or just the usual 'cia are responsible for everything' mantra?

    Any proof for your nonsense of ISIS working as some Intelligence Agency with tactics that are rellying on decade old experience of CIA?

    Hey, im not making the claim here, he is. If you make the claim, you better have something to back it up or shut your trap.

    Talking about 'my nonsense' is just diverting from the question, now why would you need to do that if the answer is so obvious?


    Lets not forget here, 224 innocent people were seemingly murdered and just making up stories without proof to fit a political agenda or hatred of the USA is disrespectful to those victims who deserve the truth. Maybe it was the cia, maybe it was isis, maybe it was the ukrainian air force or maybe it was aliens, but lets get some facts first shall we?

    Believing in US lies and fairytales is an insult to any intelligent mind and to the murdered people across the world.

    If you are one of the unintelligent people that believes the very US terrorist groups are acting without US knowledge or have no connections to US, especially since Russia has shamed US in Syria and Ukraine will stay without actions from US you are just another guilable sheep.

    Russia, attacks US terrorists, US starts bitching about Russias bombings of US mercenaries on the ground. Why? I ask you very specific? There is only one conclusion in colloration with facts we know that US is financing directly and indirectly those terrorists, controlling them along with only and soley US aligned dictatorships financing the very same terrorists (ISIS,FSA,Al-Nusra,Al-CIAda etc) Israel (US master), Turkey (US slave), Saudi shit of Arabia (US bitch), Qatar, Kuwait etc pp all aligned with US are financing those terrorists while have not made a single effort to counter them in very long time.

    You have to look at the actions not the speeches.

    US announced War on Drugs, after that announcement Afghany Opium rose from less 1% to over 94% of the global market on opium. The Central american drug cartells flourish since the War on Drugs by US like never before, terrorism aswell, there was never so much terror since US announced War on Terror.  Now your turn to explain to me how the fuck is that possible?


    As i thought, no evidence to support the claim that the cia blew up the russian plane.

    End of discussion.



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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:38 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    As i thought, no evidence to support the claim that the cia blew up the russian plane.

    End of discussion.

    And evidence to your claim?
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    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:55 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:
    As i thought, no evidence to support the claim that the cia blew up the russian plane.

    End of discussion.

    And evidence to your claim?

    You really dont get how this works do you? If you make a claim, you must support the said claim.

    I am not making any claim whatsoever regarding this suspected bombing.

    Another poster claims that the cia brought the plane down, and i am asking for him or whoever else to back up that claim.

    So far, alls ive got is insults and demands that i back up my claims, despite the fact i havent made any and am merely asking for proof of what someone else has said.

    Just to reiterate I AM NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING! SO LETS DISPENSE WITH THE DIVERSIONARY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY CLAIMS AND LETS ANALYSE THE EVIDENCE FOR THE CLAIM THAT THE CIA TOOK DOWN THIS PLANE.

    So, what evidence do we have so far that this was a CIA job? If you have proof then believe me i am listening.





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    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:56 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:
    As i thought, no evidence to support the claim that the cia blew up the russian plane.

    End of discussion.

    And evidence to your claim?

    You really dont get how this works do you? If you make a claim, you must support the said claim.

    I am not making any claim whatsoever regarding this suspected bombing.

    Another poster claims that the cia brought the plane down, and  i am asking for him or whoever else to back up that claim.

    So far, alls ive got is insults and demands that i back up my claims, despite the fact i havent made any and am merely asking for proof of what someone else has said.

    Just to reiterate I AM NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING! SO LETS DISPENSE WITH THE DIVERSIONARY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY CLAIMS AND LETS ANALYSE THE EVIDENCE FOR THE CLAIM THAT THE CIA TOOK DOWN THIS PLANE.

    So, what evidence do we have so far that this was a CIA job? If you have proof then believe me i am listening.
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:04 pm

    Knowledge about politics is already quite give away that specifically a russian jet was blown up (the straight down trajectory out sudden is proof that it was not normal cause) paired with Russian actions in Syria and US the spoiled brat that puts a trantrum tell us enough to make conclusions if it is just an accident or not. So far no room was shown to be just an accident.

    In politics no coincidences happen.
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    Post  Firebird on Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:13 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:
    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:ISIS has been known to be working on bombs that can be smuggled into planes (getting through security) for a long time now. More likely, however, is the possibility that ISIS had someone working at the airport that got the bomb on board. Sharm el-Sheikh is known for having lax security, anyway.

    The emerging question is how the Kremlin will respond. The current bombing campaign is seemingly inadequate.


    It is not isis, it is the CIA.

    Any proof of that or just the usual 'cia are responsible for everything' mantra?

    Any proof for your nonsense of ISIS working as some Intelligence Agency with tactics that are rellying on decade old experience of CIA?

    Hey, im not making the claim here, he is. If you make the claim, you better have something to back it up or shut your trap.

    Talking about 'my nonsense' is just diverting from the question, now why would you need to do that if the answer is so obvious?


    Lets not forget here, 224 innocent people were seemingly murdered and just making up stories without proof to fit a political agenda or hatred of the USA is disrespectful to those victims who deserve the truth. Maybe it was the cia, maybe it was isis, maybe it was the ukrainian air force or maybe it was aliens, but lets get some facts first shall we?




    Even Britain's Establishment BBC suggested (or some had views) that the CIA were guilty of the Lockerbie bomb.

    This appalling type of thing DOES happen. After all, America is responsible for the deaths of many people (men, women, kids) in the Donbass.

    Likewise, the British govt stood by while many people were killed by the IRA, KNOWING these attacks would occur. They had informants at the very top of the IRA and only moved in when that big eared prick "Prince Charles" was the subject of danger. One prick saved for being a "prince" while 100s of others were left to die.

    There's plenty of individuals in the US Establishment capable of causing this sort of atrocity.

    Whether the evidence will show that, who knows?

    Its interesting that NATO's snr staff is refusing to share intelligence with Russia. So to me, NATO's gnomes aren't really a lot different to ISIS.

    Wikileaks Ukraine's article (re an attack on a Ru airliner, backed by McCain and co) is rather timely I think. And I'm amazed people haven't looked at it in more depth.
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    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:56 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:
    par far wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:ISIS has been known to be working on bombs that can be smuggled into planes (getting through security) for a long time now. More likely, however, is the possibility that ISIS had someone working at the airport that got the bomb on board. Sharm el-Sheikh is known for having lax security, anyway.

    The emerging question is how the Kremlin will respond. The current bombing campaign is seemingly inadequate.


    It is not isis, it is the CIA.

    Any proof of that or just the usual 'cia are responsible for everything' mantra?

    Any proof for your nonsense of ISIS working as some Intelligence Agency with tactics that are rellying on decade old experience of CIA?

    Hey, im not making the claim here, he is. If you make the claim, you better have something to back it up or shut your trap.

    Talking about 'my nonsense' is just diverting from the question, now why would you need to do that if the answer is so obvious?


    Lets not forget here, 224 innocent people were seemingly murdered and just making up stories without proof to fit a political agenda or hatred of the USA is disrespectful to those victims who deserve the truth. Maybe it was the cia, maybe it was isis, maybe it was the ukrainian air force or maybe it was aliens, but lets get some facts first shall we?




    Even Britain's Establishment BBC suggested (or some had views) that the CIA were guilty of the Lockerbie bomb.

    This appalling type of thing DOES happen. After all, America is responsible for the deaths of many people (men, women, kids) in the Donbass.

    Likewise, the British govt stood by while many people were killed by the IRA, KNOWING these attacks would occur. They had informants at the very top of the IRA and only moved in when that big eared prick "Prince Charles" was the subject of danger. One prick saved for being a "prince" while 100s of others were left to die.

    There's plenty of individuals in the US Establishment capable of causing this sort of atrocity.

    Whether the evidence will show that, who knows?

    Its interesting that NATO's snr staff is refusing to share intelligence with Russia. So to me, NATO's gnomes aren't really a lot different to ISIS.

    Wikileaks Ukraine's article (re an attack on a Ru airliner, backed by McCain and co) is rather timely I think. And I'm amazed people haven't looked at it in more depth.

    Thanks for the reply firebird.

    Can you link the wikileaks article please?

    I agree completely that there are some sick puppies in the american and british governments, and i can believe that they have directly assisted terrorists in order to further their politicsl aims, there is proof enough of that over the years so i dont dispute that. Also undeniable is the fact that the US is responsible for 99% of the problems and bloodshed we see in the middle east.

    Now i dont believe (cant back that with proof werewolf as its only my opinion) that the americans would directly carry out such a terror attack, not because they are some kind of angels or because i believe in these 'american lies' but because it would be too risky and they could get caught. On the other hand, are they capable of turning a blind eye to it and allowing such an attack to happen without warning russia? Absolutely, its more than possible. Especially considering the current climate as you have written above. Note that i say possible, because whilst i dont deny its possible, i think we should seek facts and evidence before we go off on a tangent and throw accusations around.

    It would suit most of us on here if it were the americans, for it fits into our world view of uncle sam the bad guy, but lets not get clouded by that. Otherwise we are no better than the idiots who screamed 'putin the terrorist, putin killed my son' right after mh17.








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