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    Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:28 am

    KRASNOYARSK/MOSCOW, August 17 (RIA Novosti) - The death toll from a major accident at Russia's largest hydropower plant in south Siberia early on Monday has risen to 11, with 14 people injured and dozens still missing, a local emergencies official said.

    "The latest reports said 11 people were killed and 14 injured," Dmitry Kudryavtsev, head of the regional emergencies center's press service, said. "The number of people still being searched for is over 50. Reports on the 67 missing have not been confirmed."

    Earlier reports said eight people were killed and 10 injured when two water ducts collapsed at 08:15 local time (00:15 GMT), flooding a turbine hall. The disaster is believed to have been triggered by the explosion of an oil transformer while workers were carrying out repairs.

    However, the Sayano-Shushenskaya station's chief engineer Andrei Mitrofanov told the emergencies center on the telephone later that 72 people were still unaccounted for.

    RusHydro, the owner of the Sayano-Shushenskaya station built in 1978, said it was facing 1.5 billion rubles ($46 million) in monthly losses due to the accident.

    The accident has cut power supplies to homes and companies, including metal giants Evraz Group and RusAl, forcing them to switch to emergency power. Six factories in the nearby Altai region have reportedly shut down due to the electricity shortage.

    The energy ministry has meanwhile said that power supplies disrupted in five Siberian regions, including at aluminum plants, had been restored using supplies from thermal power stations in Siberia and the European part of Russia.

    "The situation is under the control of the ministry. All agencies have been engaged in ensuring uninterrupted supplies," minister Sergei Shmatko said. "It is premature to talk about what caused the accident. Not all the circumstances have been studied."

    Shmatko said electricity prices could grow for consumers in the region.

    "We believe prices could rise by 5-7% for consumers in Siberia," Shmatko said, adding the ministry's council for regulating national energy supplies would consider measures to prevent unjustified price hikes.

    Under reforms of the electricity sector, 50% of electric power began to be sold at market prices as of July 1, 2009. Electricity prices for households are set by the state.

    Analysts say power prices for industries could rise 20-30% in Siberia following the accident, which forced nearby thermal power stations to increase output to compensate for the Sayano-Shushenskaya station's closure.

    RusHydro's acting chief, Vasily Zubakin, said earlier that generating units unaffected by the accident could be reactivated within 45 days, but that restoring the station completly could take up to four years.

    Zubakin also said the plant's dam was not damaged in the accident and posed no threat to local residents.

    He said more than 60 people were still unaccounted for, while four people earlier reported missing had been found - one, in a state of shock, in the station's underground facility, one retrieved from the water, and two others at their homes.

    Zubakin said the search effort would continue through the night as more pumps and other equipment arrive at the scene.

    Russian Emergency Situations Minister Sergei Shoigu is at the site, coordinating cleanup and search efforts.

    President Dmitry Medvedev has expressed condolences to the victims' families.

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    Since it was a creation of the 70's and the build quality was not at par as it is today, it was a disaster waiting to happen.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:58 pm

    I hope the government will realise we have to fund public works more.

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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:45 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:I hope the government will realise we have to fund public works more.

    Yes, Infrastructure is a much needed thing, especially in modernizing it. So this may be an eye opener (too bad it had to cost the lives of 12 and or more people).

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    Dam disaster shows Russia 'very far behind' in technology: Medvedev

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:47 pm

    ULAN UDE, Russia — The disaster last week at Russia's biggest hydroelectric dam that is feared to have killed 75 shows the country lags very far behind in technology, President Dmitry Medvedev said Monday.

    "The only truth here is this. Our country is technologically very far behind," he said on a visit to the Siberian city of Ulan Ude.

    "We really are very far behind and if we don't overcome this challenge then all those threats that everyone is talking about will truly become a reality."

    Russian investigators have said a technical fault caused the August 17 disaster at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power plant in southern Siberia and have ruled out terrorism as a possible cause.

    Medvedev also accused Russia's enemies of writing out apocalyptic scenarios for its future after the tragedy and calling the disaster a "Chernobyl of the 21st century," in reference to the Soviet-era nuclear reactor accident.

    "Those who don't like Russia within its existing borders and don't like its role in the world started rubbing their hands," he said.

    The sad thing is, Russia isn't exactly "behind" in technology. They have tons of industries (be it small or large) that develop all kinds of state of the art technology. What the problem really is, is the poor investments or lack of from the government.

    Edit: But it is good that the President is telling it as it is. This will start to bring pressure to various officials and companies to start working their arses off to get new stuff out in the market and produce new things.

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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:19 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    Edit: But it is good that the President is telling it as it is. This will start to bring pressure to various officials and companies to start working their arses off to get new stuff out in the market and produce new things.

    That is exactly why he talks like that and exactly why he talked like that after Georgia. It gets people off their arse to do something and gets the Duma to give him what he wants.

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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:40 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    That is exactly why he talks like that and exactly why he talked like that after Georgia. It gets people off their arse to do something and gets the Duma to give him what he wants.

    I have high hopes for Medvedev. He may be a hard liner, but it is for the benefit of the country. Since Putin and Medvedev got into power, Russia's economy rose greatly, industries where changing, and the blight called corruption is dissipating.

    Things are looking bright.

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    Fire in Russian military unit destroys top secret documents

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:10 pm

    MOSCOW, September 13 (RIA Novosti) - Top secret documents were destroyed in a fire that broke out on Sunday in a military unit in western Russia's city of Tambov, killing five and injuring seven servicemen, a security agency source said.

    The fire in the staff of the Russian Main Intelligence Directorate unit occurred in the morning and embraced an area of 400 square meters (4,300 sq. feet). Two officers and three soldiers were killed. Two servicemen are in intensive care.

    "The fire seriously affected the secret unit where documents of special government importance were kept," the source said, adding that the Russian defense minister ordered his first deputy, Col.-Gen. Alexander Kolmakov, to fly to the site.

    "Damage is assessed as very serious," the source said.

    A probe into the causes of the fire that was extinguished by 17 firefighting crews is underway.

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    RIP to the fallen.

    Wouldn't this, including the Dam, including the parkade in Moscow, to the apartment blocks in.....(volgograd?) be enough for the Russian government to start investing the billions needed (and into both state ran and private owned companies) for infrastructure overhaul? Long over due.

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    Blasts at Russian mil. depot kill 2 firefighters, injure seven!

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:46 pm

    Blasts at Russian mil. depot kill 2 firefighters, injure seven

    RIA Novosti

    13/11/200922:54

    MOSCOW, November 13 (RIA Novosti) - Two firefighters died and seven soldiers were injured during blasts at a Russian military depot in the city of Ulyanovsk in the Volga Region, the Defense Ministry said Friday.

    "Two servicemen from the firefighting unit died. Seven unit soldiers requested medical aid, three have been hospitalized," spokesman Col. Alexei Kuznetsov said.

    Investigators said the firefighters who died were a sailor and a warrant officer.

    The ammunitions depot belongs to the Russian Navy near the Caspian Sea.

    A law enforcement source said two railroad cars of gunpowder also ignited during the fire, which was being extinguished by nearly 400 people.

    Ulyanovsk governor Sergei Morozov's press service said 43 people were hiding in a bomb shelter and were taken out after the fire was partially localized. He also said there is no threat of chemical contamination as the depot did not contain munitions with chemical agents.

    Earlier it was reported that 35 people were unaccounted for after the blasts, and Morozov earlier said the chances to find the 35 missing people alive were small. The 43 people taken out of the shelter are believed to include those previously considered missing.

    Morozov said 11 people were hospitalized after the blasts with a "danger radius" around the depot being 7 km (4 miles), adding that over 3,000 people had been evacuated from the nearby areas after the explosions started at about 3:30 pm Moscow time (12:30 GMT) at the depot belonging to military enterprise 31st Arsenal.

    He ruled out a terrorist attack, saying the fire will be fully extinguished by morning. Negligence and mishandling of weapons are the main reasons being investigated.

    The Russian Federal Security Service reported earlier that the fire emerged during a controlled operation to destroy ammunition because "the set cycle was broken." The fire "entailed further blasts of ammunition," the service said.

    Local railroad communication was suspended after the explosions but later resumed.

    Ulyanovsk is located 900 km (560 miles) east of Moscow. Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin was born there.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091113-rianovosti01.htm

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    Masked Gunman Kills Russian Priest At Moscow Church

    Post  Jelena on Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:01 pm

    Masked Gunman Kills Russian Priest At Moscow Church


    By REUTERS
    Published: November 20, 2009

    MOSCOW (Reuters) - A masked gunman entered a church and murdered a Russian Orthodox priest who had received death threats for converting Muslims to Christianity and criticizing Islam, prosecutors and church officials said Friday.

    The killing could threaten delicate relations between the powerful majority Russian Orthodox Church, which has close ties to the Kremlin, and the country's growing Muslim minority of about 20 million.

    The gunman approached priest Daniil Sysoyev, 34, in St Thomas Church in southern Moscow Thursday night, checked his name and then opened fire with a pistol, a spokesman for the investigating committee of the Prosecutor-General's office said.

    "The main theory is that religious motives are behind the crime," spokesman Anatoly Bagmet said.

    Sysoyev died on the way to hospital. His choirmaster was injured in the attack, Bagmet said, and is in hospital under armed guard.

    Sysoyev was from Tatarstan, a predominantly Muslim region of Russia on the Volga river. He was threatened after preaching to Muslims and Christians from other denominations.

    "I have received 10 threats via e-mail that I shall have my head cut off (if I do not stop preaching to Muslims)," Sysoyev stated on a television program in February 2008, according to Interfax. "As I see it, it is a sin not to preach to Muslims."

    Russia is home to Europe's largest Muslim community and Islam is the country's second-biggest faith, something which Sysoyev criticized.

    "Islam is far from being a religion in the way we understand it," he said in one of his video lectures posted on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJNPSyh4zFk&feature=related).

    "Islam can be rather compared with projects like National Socialism or the Communist party seeking to create God's kingdom on Earth using humanly instruments," he added.

    He also wrote books including "An Orthodox Response to Islam" and "Marrying a Muslim," in which he advised Russian women against taking a Muslim partner.

    Russia has seen a religious revival after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the dominant Orthodox Church has become an important political force. Its leader, Patriarch Kirill, is frequently seen in public with Russian and foreign leaders.

    But Orthodox bishops have complained that rival Christian denominations are seeking to make converts on its territory and Islam is spreading fast among a sprawling community of migrants from predominantly Muslim republics of the former Soviet Union.

    The Russian Patriarch's press service refused to comment on the murder but some of Sysoyev's Orthodox colleagues referred to Muslim attacks on him prior to the killing.

    "Father Daniil ... has been periodically receiving e-mails which said he will be treated as 'infidel' if he did not stop polemics with Muslims," Kiril Frolov, the head of the Orthodox Experts Association, told Interfax news agency.

    Russia's Chief Mufti Ravil Gainuddin expressed his condolences to the Orthodox Church and to Sysoyev's family. He cautioned against assigning blame prematurely or speculating about the motives for the killing.

    "We want to say that we oppose any expressions of terrorism and extremism," he told reporters. "Islam denounces terror and the murder of an imam, an orthodox priest, is an awful sin..."

    Sysoyev also preached against small religious groupings such as Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses, viewed as "totalitarian sects" by the Orthodox Church.

    (Additional reporting by Aydar Buribayev; editing by Michael Stott and Janet Lawrence)

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/11/20/world/international-us-russia-priest-murder.html?_r=1

    When will Muslims address to problem of growing Islam fundamentalism and extremism?!?

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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:24 pm

    Jelena wrote:

    When will Muslims address to problem of growing Islam fundamentalism and extremism?!?

    The thing is, they probably are. From what I gathered, most muslims just live their lives with everyone else. Apparently (some people who met this former cleric) adresses him as almost an ultranationalist, a bigot if you will.

    He apparently used to preach hate messages to people about how evil every religion is but the Orthodox. Now, how do we know that a muslim did it? It could almost be anyone that did it. Muslim most likely, but yeah. And if it was a muslim, was he ethnic Russia? Was he an extremist himself?

    You see, these people don't raise arms if they are properly educated and have jobs. A lot of extremists in Russia are not from Russia to begin with. Heck, they may hold a fake Russian passport.

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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  Jelena on Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:38 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Jelena wrote:

    When will Muslims address to problem of growing Islam fundamentalism and extremism?!?

    The thing is, they probably are. From what I gathered, most muslims just live their lives with everyone else. Apparently (some people who met this former cleric) adresses him as almost an ultranationalist, a bigot if you will.

    He apparently used to preach hate messages to people about how evil every religion is but the Orthodox. Now, how do we know that a muslim did it? It could almost be anyone that did it. Muslim most likely, but yeah. And if it was a muslim, was he ethnic Russia? Was he an extremist himself?

    You see, these people don't raise arms if they are properly educated and have jobs. A lot of extremists in Russia are not from Russia to begin with. Heck, they may hold a fake Russian passport.

    From what I gathered (from Russians)
    "Another wounded priest said the killer talked with Caucasian accent."
    Make your own conclusions!

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    New blast at arms depot in Russia's Ulyanovsk kills 8!

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:32 am

    New blast at arms depot in Russia's Ulyanovsk kills 8
    RIA Novosti

    23/11/200917:24

    Eight servicemen were killed and two injured on Monday in a new explosion at an arms depot in the city of Ulyanovsk, in Russia's Volga region, a Defense Ministry spokesman said.

    Col. Alexei Kuznetsov said the explosion occurred when ammunition was being loaded into a truck.

    He said a Defense Ministry team is currently investigating the incident. Russia's prosecutor general is overseeing the investigation.

    Two people were killed and dozens injured in an explosion and subsequent fire at the depot on November 13. More than 1,000 local residents were evacuated from the area.

    The Defense Ministry said the earlier explosions are believed to have occurred while ammunition was being dismantled at the depot.

    Six unexploded artillery shells were later found in the vicinity of the depot.

    MOSCOW, November 23 (RIA Novosti)

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091123-rianovosti03.htm

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    Accidents / Tragic Incidents / Civilian victims

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:06 pm

    Russian Intelligence Says Bomb Caused Deadly Train Crash


    Last updated (GMT/UTC): 28.11.2009 15:44

    (RFE/RL) -- Russia’s domestic intelligence service has said that the train derailment that killed about 30 people and injured nearly 100 was caused by a bomb.

    The Nevsky Express traveling from Moscow to St. Petersburg came off the tracks late at night on November 27. A number of people are still unaccounted for.

    In a televised meeting with President Dmitry Medvedev, the head of the FSB security service, Alexander Bortnikov, said that “criminal experts say that based on preliminary findings, a bomb equivalent to 7 seven kilograms of TNT was detonated.”

    A spokesman for investigators, Vladimir Markin, said they had found elements of an explosive device at the crash site.

    "A crater was discovered, 1.5 meters in diameter and 0.7-meters deep, as well as fragments of an explosive device," Markin said. "We can say with certainty that this was a terrorist act. Therefore an investigation has been opened on two counts -- terrorism and illegal arms trafficking."

    "The investigation is in progress now; it will take a certain amount of time,” said Vladimir Yakunin, the head of Russia’s national railway company. “Our forces are working at full scale, we are waiting for the permission to evacuate the wagons that are still on the rails, the locomotive has been put back on the rails, and after we have finished the work around the crater, we will start evacuating the wagons that were most severely damaged."

    Russian transport officials said trains were being diverted along alternate lines on one of the country's busiest routes.

    The derailment was Russia's worst train crash in years.

    In 2007, 30 people were injured when a train operating on the same line was derailed after an explosion damaged the rail track.

    The men accused of the 2007 attack are suspected of having links to Chechen rebels.

    Compiled from agency reports.


    Source: http://www.rferl.org/content/Twenty_Two_Killed_In_Russian_Train_Crash/1889798.html

    Copyright (c) 2009. RFE/RL, Inc. Reprinted with the permission of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, 1201 Connecticut Ave., N.W. Washington DC 20036.

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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:33 am

    Militants claimed responsibility

    Militants claim Russian train bombing: rebel website
    Updated at: 1145 PST, Wednesday, December 02, 2009
    MOSCOW: Militants from the North Caucasus have claimed responsibility for the deadly bombing of a Russian passenger train, according to a statement posted Wednesday on a website linked to Chechen rebels.

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    So what are Russia's options? What can they do to deal with these scumbags? Sitting around and waiting for the problem to solve itself is not working, and has not been for a while. Russia needs to either isolate these regions, or start forcing people to move around (in other words, integrate other people of other religions there), or they will destine to break away.

    So much can be done, but so little is being done. Hopefully a pollitician in Russia would pull their head out of their ass, and do something about these militants and growing islamic problem. Heck, the soviets had it right, ban religion.

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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:41 am

    Banning religion is not a good way. I'd say, bann all sorts of extremism


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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  Jelena on Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:11 pm

    milky_candy_sugar wrote:Banning religion is not a good way. I'd say, bann all sorts of extremism

    Most of the extremists organizations are outlawed already... Then, who would be the one to tell what is extreme and what not?!?

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    Re: Accidents and Disasters Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:10 pm

    Jelena wrote:
    milky_candy_sugar wrote:Banning religion is not a good way. I'd say, bann all sorts of extremism

    Most of the extremists organizations are outlawed already... Then, who would be the one to tell what is extreme and what not?!?

    Well, according to Kadyrov:
    "Umarov is an international terrorist, a procreation of foreign special services and has nothing in common with the Chechen people. We will get him no matter where he is," Kadyrov said adding that "for us [Chechens], as well as for all Russians, for me personally, he is enemy number one."
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    that these terrorists are just scumbags running around and causing shit because of foreign support. They are nowhere near supported by the people and most people want them gone. So in other words, they are simply just gang bangers to a higher degree.

    What can you do? It is hard, but set up checkpoints so people when traveling from one city to another, needs to be investigated. With today's technologies, you would be able to easily scan a car for bombs, or possible of bombs (or just use dogs). Once you set up checkpoints, what can these guys do, but hide in the mountains?

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    Tragic accident in Perm - Nightclub fire

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:57 pm

    The death toll from a horrific fire that engulfed a nightclub in Russia's Urals early on Saturday has risen to 109, local investigators said.

    The fire broke out at the Lame Horse club in the city of Perm during an indoor fireworks display soon after 01:00 a.m. local time.

    "During the fire, 102 people died. Seven more have died in hospital," an Investigation Committee spokesman told RIA Novosti.

    The health minister earlier said that dozens of people were being kept alive with medical ventilators.

    Tatyana Golikova said that most of the injured have burns covering more than 50% of their bodies. Several of them are being flown to Moscow for treatment.

    "Unfortunately, the burns are quite serious... There are 130 people in hospital, of whom 88 are in a serious condition. Of these, 59 have been put on medial ventilators," the minister, currently in Perm along with other cabinet ministers, told President Dmitry Medvedev in a video linkup.

    Emergencies minister Sergei Shoigu told the president that 34 of the bodies have been identified.

    He said the club's owners had received two previous fines for breaching fire safety regulations, and were due for an inspection on Monday.

    "The fire broke out in a place where pyrotechnics should not have been used under any circumstances," he said.

    The venue had a suspended ceiling, which allowed the flames to spread rapidly.

    "The power shut off immediately, and panic broke out," Shoigu said.

    Eyewitnesses said the venue had only one exit, and a stampede ensued. Russian TV channels have shown footage filmed by clubgoer with a digital camera, showing the flames spreading over a ceiling decorated with twigs, in an apparent barn theme.

    The owner and manager of the club, Anatoly Zak and Svetlana Yefremova, have been arrested, and face jail terms of up to seven years. Four other suspects are wanted in the case.

    President Medvedev accused those running the club of gross negligence, and called for harsh punishments.

    "They have no brains and no conscience. They showed complete indifference to what was going on... They must face full punishment," he said.

    The president said the sentences the culprits face under current laws are far too mild.

    "We must think about the laws on such events. They should be much stricter, and failure to abide by them, including breaches of fire safety regulations, should be much more severely punished."

    The venue, which covers an area of 500 square meters, was almost completely destroyed by the blaze.

    The club is known to have held several indoor fireworks displays in the past, shown in the image gallery on the Lame Horse website www.clubxl.ru.

    The site still displays an advert for last night's party marking "the birthday of our favorite club", saying "guests dressed as new-born babies are admitted free until midnight."

    The site offers "a bright lively disco with energy and drive with modern dance music - and at 1:00 at night the show begins." The club, with capacity of 450, says its guests are subject to "face control".

    Perm Territory Governor Oleg Chirkunov has announced three days of mourning as of today.

    "During the three days of mourning, Russian flags and Perm Territory flags will be flown at half mast. TV and radio stations and cultural establishments are asked to cancel all entertainment events and broadcasts during these days," the governor's press service said.

    MOSCOW, December 5 (RIA Novosti)

    The deaths being reported are fluctuating up and down. Give it a day or so and we will know for sure how many did die.

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    RIP to everyone who passed away.

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    Medvedev urges harsh punishment for culprits in nightclub fire

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:59 pm

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has accused the management of a nightclub in the Urals where a fire killed 103 people of gross negligence, and called for harsh punishments.

    A fire broke out in the Lame Horse club in the Urals city of Perm during an indoor fireworks display soon after 01:00 a.m. local time. Over 130 people are injured.

    Emergencies minister Sergei Shoigu said during a video conference with the president that the club's owners had received two previous fines for breaching fire safety regulations, and were due for an inspection on Monday.

    Medvedev said: "They have no brains and no conscience. They showed complete indifference to what was going on... They must face full punishment."

    The owner and manager of the club, Anatoly Zak and Svetlana Yefremova, have been arrested, and face jail terms of up to seven years. Four other suspects are wanted in the case.

    Medvedev said the sentences the culprits face under current laws are far too mild.

    "We must think about the laws on such events. They should be much stricter, and failure to abide by them, including breaches of fire safety regulations, should be much more severely punished," the president said.

    Regional security minister Igor Orlov told Russian media that the club's plastic ceiling caught fire during the indoor fireworks display, held as part of a celebration of the venue's seventh anniversary.

    The venue, which covers an area of 500 square meters, was almost completely destroyed by the blaze.

    The club is known to have held several indoor fireworks displays in the past, shown in the image gallery on the Lame Horse website www.clubxl.ru.

    The site still displays an advert for last night's party marking "the birthday of our favorite club", saying "guests dressed as new-born babies are admitted free until midnight."

    The site offers "a bright lively disco with energy and drive with modern dance music - and at 1:00 at night the show begins." The club, with capacity of 450, says its guests are subject to "face control".

    Perm Territory Governor Oleg Chirkunov has announced three days of mourning as of today.

    "During the three days of mourning, Russian flags and Perm Territory flags will be flown at half mast. TV and radio stations and cultural establishments are asked to cancel all entertainment events and broadcasts during these days," the governor's press service said.

    The health ministry has said that the injured are being flown to Moscow, to be treated in the city's best hospitals.

    MOSCOW, December 5 (RIA Novosti)

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    Good, let this be a lesson to buisness owners of clubs, cafe's, bars, ect. Hope this does not happen again. But these incidences have happened everywhere.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:59 pm

    This happened just a couple of kilometres from my home. Some friends of mine were trying to get me to go see DJ Dobryanskih from RETRO FM but I declined since I don't like being around all that smoke of all kinds, nor do I have money to waste. My friends are dead from what I know, they aren't returning anyone's calls nor notification from hospital. A bunch of people from Motovilikha were there and my office closed for the day... without pay. Not like it mattered. we haven't been payed in two months.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:35 pm

    Why havnt you been payed in so long?

    Also, sorry about your friends.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:55 am

    B/c we haven't paid by fucking Gazprom for drilling equipment we sent out three months ago.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:16 am

    Now people are committing fraud stealing aid money. I hate these people.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:06 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Now people are committing fraud stealing aid money. I hate these people.

    Wow, that is extreme (stupid scumbags). Please, I would like to read more about this.

    Also, as for Gazprom not paying you, what is their end of the story? Can't you take them to court for lack of payment?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:58 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    Wow, that is extreme (stupid scumbags). Please, I would like to read more about this.

    Isn't much to say. People were using SMS pretending they were a funding organisation for the victims set up by the state. People would get text message saying they can transfer funds to their accounts if they wish to give to victims.

    Also, as for Gazprom not paying you, what is their end of the story? Can't you take them to court for lack of payment?

    Of course we can't, Gazprom is state owned. You can't sue the state and win. They don't pay because they are busy paying themselves when they have negative cash flows. No account balance means no payment unless the state intervenes.

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