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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:01 am

    Yeah... I heard they were buying Il-96s for the purpose... didn't know any were ready yet.

    And my idea of using them for DA (strategic aviation) still stands.... Smile


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    Post  Dorfmeister on Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:Yeah... I heard they were buying Il-96s for the purpose... didn't know any were ready yet.

    And my idea of using them for DA (strategic aviation) still stands....  Smile

    There was an article in one of the last AFM about the fact that the two first IL-96-400TZ (RA-96101/96103 ex POLET aircrafts) would surely be followed by a few more. At least, it has been discussed... the proposed specifications (still to be confirmed so) of the birds making them really interesting for DA.

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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:54 pm

    Assembly of the first tanker aircraft Il-78M-90A in "Aviastar-SP" plant



    The workshops took place in Ulyanovsk plant dock fuselage sections Il-78M-90A. According to plans, the first flight of the aircraft-tanker will be performed in 2016. On this first flight, model will pass the state tests. It is expected that upon their results will be awarded a state contract for the supply of Il-78M-90A to the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation.

    "The goal for 2016 - is to raise the IL-78M-90A in the air, - says Director General of" Aviastar-SP "Sergey Dementiev. - This is the first flight model, which will be held on the state tests. Based on the results we hope to obtain a contract for the supply of tankers."

    Production of the first flight IL-78M-90A is conducted under a contract with the Defense Ministry to carry out development work on advanced tanker aircraft. Building under the aircraft will be the first tanker produced in Russia. Before that, all the aircraft IL-78 were collected in Uzbekistan at the Tashkent aircraft plant.

    Il-78M-90A is a modification of military transport aircraft Il-76MD-90A. Upon request, maintained the possibility of use as a military transport plane: there is a ramp, landing equipment, and if necessary can be installed fire extinguishing equipment on the aircraft will be established Fueling equipment: two additional fuel tanks with a capacity of 50 tons each in the cargo compartment, as well as standardized units pendant refueling - two on one wing and in the aft fuselage.

    Tanker is equipped with four engines of the new generation PS-90A-76. Specific fuel consumption of the engine PS-90A-76 to 12-14% lower fuel consumption of the engine D-30KP. Design and development of design documentation, manufacture of aircraft is based on digital technology.
    After completion of the docking bay of the fuselage Il-78M-90A company specialists started to dock an aircraft wing. The new modification of the IL will be the main tanker aircraft adapted for refueling ships far, the front-line and specialized aircraft.

    "Recently we came to the commander of the military transport aircraft, - says Sergey Dementiev. - We talked with him, that the demand for tankers is. Ministry of Defense need about 30 of these aircraft. "

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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  nastle77 on Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:07 am

    when did air to air refuelling start with VVS and PVO ?
    In the soviet times were the mig-29 equipped with air to air refuelling probes ?
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    Post  Militarov on Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:33 am

    nastle77 wrote:when did air to air refuelling start with VVS and PVO ?
    In the soviet times were the mig-29 equipped with air to air refuelling probes ?

    First real tries were made with Tupolev Tu-4 in mid 50s, however it never entered serial production as a tanker. First real tanker in USSR was Tu-16Z and later Tu-16N in late 50s and early 60s. Tu-16Z was however considered mostly as failure due to its unusual and very dangerous refueling method wing-to-wing, Tu-16N used "common" probe and drogue system, some Tu-16Z were converted into Tu-16N but designated NN. Worth mentioning that they were used only to refuel Tu-22 bombers at that time.



    In mid 60s you had M-4-2 which was converted Myasishchev M4 and even later during 70s Myasishchev 3MS-2 which was converted M6.

    When its about MiG29, answer is yes, BUT, only very, very few had that capability back then. Mostly only those that they predicted might end up being used with their nuclear strike capabilities. MiG-29SMT is i belive first variant to feature refueling probe on all borts. Not even all MiG-31s had refueling probe, USSR mainly used their tanker fleet to support bombers TU22D, TU22M and TU95.
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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:07 am

    The only aircraft regularly fitted with inflight refuelling probes were strategic bombers... ie Tu-95, Tu-142, Tu-160, and long range interceptors like the MiG-31 and long range strike aircraft like the Su-24.

    very few tactical fighters and fighter bombers had them, though new designs had them for export.

    For highly populated areas the MiG-29 has plenty of range for the area they cover and for more sparsely populated areas the Su-27 has enormous range potential and for most of its missions flew with half empty internal fuel tanks.

    Only long range aviation used inflight refuelling aircraft.

    They developed the capability for inflight refuelling at the same time everyone else did... they just never really had a need for it as they developed their aircraft for home defence... not foreign conquest.


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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  medo on Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:02 pm

    nastle77 wrote:when did air to air refuelling start with VVS and PVO ?
    In the soviet times were the mig-29 equipped with air to air refuelling probes ?

    In Soviet times air refueling was for strategic bombers. First tactical jets wich receive IFR capabilities in the second half of the eighties were Su-24M and MiG-31B. Su-33, which was next come in the nineties in new Russia times.
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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:42 am

    First Russian-Made Aerial Refueling Tanker to Start Flight Tests in 2016

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160324/1036883121/aircraft-russia-plane.html#ixzz43ysRyTfU


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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  Berkut on Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:38 am

    MiG-31DZ was around before MiG-31B was. No serial MiG-29's had IFR during soviet times. MiG-29M/K family had it, but they were prototypes. Same with the original Su-35 (T-10M). MiG-25 was tested with refuel probe and same with normal MiG-29's but again - prototypes.
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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  medo on Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:36 pm

    How many Il-96 based tankers are ordered or planed to be build?
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    Post  Militarov on Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:53 pm

    Berkut wrote:MiG-31DZ was around before MiG-31B was. No serial MiG-29's had IFR during soviet times. MiG-29M/K family had it, but they were prototypes. Same with the original Su-35 (T-10M). MiG-25 was tested with refuel probe and same with normal MiG-29's but again - prototypes.

    I thought MiG29s that Moldova sold to US had refueling probes.
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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  Militarov on Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:53 pm

    medo wrote:How many Il-96 based tankers are ordered or planed to be build?

    I saw in some article that they ordered 2... but it was like 2 years ago.
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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:08 pm

    medo wrote:How many Il-96 based tankers are ordered or planed to be build?

    2x Il-96-400TZ ordered


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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  Dorfmeister on Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:47 pm

    George1 wrote:2x Il-96-400TZ ordered

    Former Polet RA-96101 and RA-96103 birds.
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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  Berkut on Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:25 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Berkut wrote:MiG-31DZ was around before MiG-31B was. No serial MiG-29's had IFR during soviet times. MiG-29M/K family had it, but they were prototypes. Same with the original Su-35 (T-10M). MiG-25 was tested with refuel probe and same with normal MiG-29's but again - prototypes.

    I thought MiG29s that Moldova sold to US had refueling probes.

    No. Those were just vanilla 9.13's. Which operationally never had them.
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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  George1 on Thu May 19, 2016 12:33 am

    JSC "IL" began work on the modernization of tankers Il-78 of Russian VKS to version IL-78-2

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1908053.html


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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:01 pm

    Russia Developing 'Transformer' Flying Tanker

    Russia’s upcoming Il-96-400TZ flying tanker will also be able to haul cargoes and passengers, Ilyushin’s Deputy Chief Designer Olga Kruglyakova said in an interview with United Aircraft Corporation’s journal Horizon.

    A long range jet liner Il-96-400 designed by the Sergey Ilyushin experimental design office. © Sputnik/ Alexander Polyakov Russian Military Gets Customized Il-96-400 'Doomsday Plane' “President Putin ordered us to continue our work on an aerial refueling tanker based on the Ilyushin Il-96 jumbo,” Kruglyakova said.

    She added that the military also wants the plane to be able to move around cargo and passengers. In 2015 the Voronezh-based aircraft manufacturer VASO was ordered to build two such flying tankers for the Russian Aerospace Forces. The first such plane has already undergone preliminary trials.

    “The initial test flights we had with fighter planes showed that the Il-96-400TZ is fully compatible with small aircraft. Just how compatible it is with bigger ones we’ll see during state trials,” Ilyushin’s Chief Designer Nikolai Talikov said.

    The second test plane will be built in 2018. Both planes will be able to transport up to 65 tons of fuel across a range of 3,500 kilometers.

    The Il-96-400TZ will be equipped with the Zvezda UPAZ-1 aerial refueling system, which has been previously proven on the Il-78 tanker flown by the Russian Air Force.

    If the flying tankers built in Voronezh pass the tests, the plant will be given orders for an additional 30 such planes.

    The Il-96 is also used as a platform for airborne command centers for the Federal Security Service and the Defense Ministry.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/russia/201701161049648604-russia-plane-tanker/


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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:25 pm

    Funny this "transformer" thing. Like if no other plane in the world could carry cargo and perform aerial refuelling, like KC-135 and KC-10A.
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    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:10 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:Funny this "transformer" thing. Like if no other plane in the world could carry cargo and perform aerial refuelling, like KC-135 and KC-10A.

    A400M, A330 MRTT, KC-46 Pegasus...
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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:49 am

    Aircraft of the 4th Air Force and Air Defense Army of the Southern Military District - refueling over Siberia















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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:49 am

    Funny this "transformer" thing. Like if no other plane in the world could carry cargo and perform aerial refuelling, like KC-135 and KC-10A.

    Are you trying to be a dick?

    There was nothing in that article that suggested the new tankers being multirole was a unique or new thing... for anyone.

    They are describing a feature request of the aircraft they are building. Nothing more.


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    Re: Refuelling Tankers for RuAF

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:58 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Funny this "transformer" thing. Like if no other plane in the world could carry cargo and perform aerial refuelling, like KC-135 and KC-10A.

    Are you trying to be a dick?

    There was nothing in that article that suggested the new tankers being multirole was a unique or new thing... for anyone.

    They are describing a feature request of the aircraft they are building.  Nothing more.
    The title suggests it. I don't know why you personally attack, me, though, over something I wrote months ago.

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