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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:15 pm

    The Patriots intercepting Scuds were at a huge disadvantage because the Scud was moving too fast so the fragments from the Patriots warhead tended to hit the middle or the rear of the Scud... the middle and rear of a Scud is its now empty fuel tanks and its rocket motors which do nothing during the descent of the missile onto the target... they are just falling behind the warhead.

    I've read somehwere scud used to desintegrate themselves in many pieces which made a lot of fake targets on patriot radars and most of the time they couldn't know which is the warhead.

    Anyway the result of houti attacks shows that its a useless system for ABM role since it can't intercept even old toshka rockets correctly.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:41 pm

    The success rate (if you can call it as such) of the Patriot was around 3%, according to israeli data.

    The warhead of the 48N6M and 40N6 missiles is "smart", their explosion produces a controlled fragment pattern. If the missile misses the target by a few metres, it can still destroy it that way.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:04 pm

    Discussion for ABMs intercepting ICBMs from Borei topic was transferred here
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    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:03 pm

    Thank you.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:10 pm

    I've read somehwere scud used to desintegrate themselves in many pieces which made a lot of fake targets on patriot radars and most of the time they couldn't know which is the warhead.

    The Iraqis added fuel to extend the rockets range, but they didn't upgrade the structure of the missile... extending a ballistic missiles range makes it go faster and structurally it couldn't handle the increased flight speed so during its fall to the target it often broke up in mid air... and naturally the Patriot focussed on the biggest bits... the fuel tanks and the engines and left the warheads to fall to the ground.

    It was not a design feature, but an unintended consequence of trying to get more range without improving the design to handle the extra speed.

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    Thanks George... was just about to do that myself but you beat me to it... Smile
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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:56 pm



    Thanks George... was just about to do that myself but you beat me to it... Smile

    it seems we have the same moderation spirit! Smile
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:21 pm

    Hole wrote:The success rate (if you can call it as such) of the Patriot was around 3%, according to israeli data.

    The warhead of the 48N6M and 40N6 missiles is "smart", their explosion produces a controlled fragment pattern. If the missile misses the target by a few metres, it can still destroy it that way.


    Wow how impressive.

    Any news yet on the mind bogolingly high success ratios for the sm3? Im am sure they amaaaazingly hiiigh, that is to say they may give that impression if you ar as hiiigh as the retards whom to whom that are presented.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:06 am

    To be fair Patriot was never originally intended to shoot down ballistic high speed targets, and the US military have always been pretty half arsed regarding air defence... the Army pretty much expects the Air Force to keep the sky clear of threats and has not really spent much money on effective systems to protect themselves.

    The exception to this rule is the US Navy who has invested a bit of money in air defence and their Standard missiles are quite reasonable in terms of SAM performance. They were intended to be enormously long range two stage SAMs right from the beginning, though the anti ballistic nature is pretty new for them too... in comparison the Soviets and Russians have expected to face NATO ballistic weapons and supersonic anti ship missiles they don't even have yet, because they have been practising against their own stuff.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:56 am

    Until now SM-3 wasn´t used against a real target in a real war-like enviroment. Only tests.

    The russian air defence network goes back to the lessons from the WWII. A lot of fighters were destroyed in the first dayd of the war (on the ground), afterwards they had no air superiority until the end of 1944. With their SAM´s they don´t rely on planes.
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    Post  hoom on Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:14 am

    The source is questionable but seems US upgraded ballistic interceptor is in big poop https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/missile-defense-fail-new-super-accurate-kinetic-energy-warhead-just-got-scrapped-61807

    Hidden at the bottom this utterly scathing sentence apparently from official review
    “Our prior work has shown that stabilizing system design before making major production commitments and relying on knowledge rather than deadlines to make acquisition decisions at key milestones are best practices of successful product developers.”
    lol!

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