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    miketheterrible

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    Re: S-400 SAM System Exports

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:50 pm

    Airman wrote:There is no need for export model. Turkey wont be able to use the S-400's as effectively as Russia. We don't have Early Warning Radar system to integrate  S-400 systems like Russia. There are long range radar systems in Turkey, but they are produced entirely in NATO standards.

    They do need to export the export model to Turkey because sensitive electronics and components could be investigated by the US and so on if Turkey allowed them (They are part of NATO after all) and that alone has people cautious. So yes, they will end up with the export model. Like China and India would. Reason is, why give your specifics away?
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    Re: S-400 SAM System Exports

    Post  Airman on Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:35 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Airman wrote:There is no need for export model. Turkey wont be able to use the S-400's as effectively as Russia. We don't have Early Warning Radar system to integrate  S-400 systems like Russia. There are long range radar systems in Turkey, but they are produced entirely in NATO standards.

    They do need to export the export model to Turkey because sensitive electronics and components could be investigated by the US and so on if Turkey allowed them (They are part of NATO after all) and that alone has people cautious.  So yes, they will end up with the export model.  Like China and India would.  Reason is, why give your specifics away?

    Russians already working on S-500. Don't They? When the S-500 enters the inventory of the Russian Army, S-400 will become an old system, just like the S-300. Turkey can't use the S-400 system as well as Russia. Maybe Russia can make a limitation by selling only 9M96E type missiles to Turkey.

    Obviously, I don't care too much about It's an export model or not. Turkey needs a air defense system, which is better than the MIM-23 Hawk.
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    Re: S-400 SAM System Exports

    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:53 pm

    Airman wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Airman wrote:There is no need for export model. Turkey wont be able to use the S-400's as effectively as Russia. We don't have Early Warning Radar system to integrate  S-400 systems like Russia. There are long range radar systems in Turkey, but they are produced entirely in NATO standards.

    They do need to export the export model to Turkey because sensitive electronics and components could be investigated by the US and so on if Turkey allowed them (They are part of NATO after all) and that alone has people cautious.  So yes, they will end up with the export model.  Like China and India would.  Reason is, why give your specifics away?

    Russians already working on S-500. Don't They? When the S-500 enters the inventory of the Russian Army, S-400 will become an old system, just like the S-300. Turkey can't use the S-400 system as well as Russia. Maybe Russia can make a limitation by selling only 9M96E type missiles to Turkey.

    Obviously, I don't care too much about It's an export model or not. Turkey needs a air defense system, which is better than the MIM-23 Hawk.

    S-500 isn't a replacement for the S-400. It is an all new system for a different task, intercepting missiles and satelites while it can also intercept fighters but that's not its main task. S-400 also can intercept ballistic missile but if they have too they use S-500.

    S-300 is widdly used in Russia. They just finished to upgrade them if I'm not wrong. It's not old at all. Last versions are very close to S-400 (which is a S-300 PMU3 actually).

    Evrything in the system will be downgraded export model, including missiles. Even if they give the 48N6 family it will be an export model. It is not probable that they give them just 9M96 because the system is build for very long range missiles.

    US can find a corrupted Indian soldier to give them informations about S-400 easily I think. Russia knows that and is aware of what they can give and what they should keep for them. The thing is also that those systems are very big and immune to fighter jamming systems and can destroy dedicated EW jets by passive triangulation, so even if they analyse it they won't be able to exploit this in a real scenario. It's not an old Osa.

    Its radar are so big you would need a boing 747 with lot of electric power to jam it. Don't expect fighter ECM pod to do something.
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    Re: S-400 SAM System Exports

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:24 am

    Even with downgraded export components the S-400 will be a very formidable system for Turkey and will make all her neighbours and even allies respect her airspace.

    Integrating it into Turkeys Air defence network is not a big deal... your existing IADS will generate target information that can be passed on to the S-400 batteries in your defence structure and it can use that information to target threats... indeed with its radars and sensors it should be able to pass information to your IADS too making the system even better.


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