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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  Austin on Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:17 am

    It seems initially KM-SAM used PESA and now Samsung/Thales co-operation uses AESA Radar.

    http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6130/radary.jpg
    http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4731/samsungthales.jpg

    Vityaz is most certainly PESA atleast on the pictures they showed , And the two planer antenna is I would suspect one for IFF and one for Height Finding.

    I would suspect the need to mass produce Vityaz and a cost effective replacement for S-300P/PT would have made the decison go PESA way , Considering it already has ARH it better than S-300 missile and the PESA would also be of an advanced type.


    SOC , How difficult it is to jam an AESA verus PESA radar using modern jammer , the thing I am aware of AESA is higher bandwidth and graceful degradation under jamming conditions , plus lower power needs.
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    Vityaz SAM system: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:21 pm

    Russia has for the first time demonstrated the short-to-mid-range air defense platform ‘Vityaz,’ which will replace older variants of the S-300 system due to be scrapped soon. The army will begin testing the new hardware later this year.

    The new surface-to-air missile system is made by Russian weapons manufacturer Almaz-Antey. The company demonstrated the system at the Obukhov State Plant in St. Petersburg, home to its branch that manufactures the Vityaz launchers.

    The system boasts advanced all-aspect phased array radar, a new mobile command post and a launcher carrying 12 vertical-launch missiles, which will use a variant of the 9M96 active radar homing missile. Similar missiles are used by the S-400, the newer generation of the S-300, which is currently being deployed in Russia.

    Vityaz launchers can also fire a short-range missile that was not officially identified, but is likely a variant of the 9M100.

    “I believe the system will be able to engage target within ranges from 30km to 120km,” Said Aminov, military analyst and editor of the World of Air Defense website told RT. “It’s a system of object air defense with some element of tactical antimissile defense.”

    Almaz-Antey aims to hand over the system to the Russian Defense Ministry for testing before the year’s end, company head Vladislav Menshikov told Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was inspecting the plant.

    The company partially based the design of the Vityaz on its work with the South Korean KM-SAM Chun Koong system. Almaz-Antey designed three radar units for the KM-SAM, and is rumored to have also helped design the system’s missiles.

    The Russian military officially backed the Vityaz project – which has better capabilities than the Korean air defense system – after studying its performance, Almaz-Antey said in 2010. The new Russian system has been in the works since 2007, and is expected to be completed in record time.

    The ministry earlier said it plans to buy at least 30 Vityaz systems before 2020, if it passes testing, and deployment of the platforms could start as early as next year.

    Vityaz was designed as a replacement for the S-300PS, an older variant of the S-300 air defense system developed in the early 1980s. The Russian army is expected to decommission about 50 of the S-300PS by 2015 due to old age.

    The name of the system comes from an archaic Slavic word for a noble warrior. It is shared by the famous aerobatic team known as the Russkie Vityazi (‘Russian Knights’).

    Russia plans to deploy the Vityaz system alongside other advanced air defense weapons, including the service-ready S-400 and Pantsir-S1, and the future long-range S-500 and short-range Morfei. Moscow aims to create a multi-layered grid to cover Russia’s airspace, defending against threats ranging from drones, to conventional manned aircraft, to cruise and ballistic missiles.













    http://rt.com/news/vityaz-air-defense-russia-984/


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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:44 am

    Great. Its good to see the Russian MIC churning up radically new equipment at last. Lets hope the Russian army gets a tracked version soon.
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:40 pm

    This is the answer we have been needing.  S-300/400 is good at high altitude long range targets, but worthless against low flying cruise missiles or tree hugging aircraft.


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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:51 pm

    that factory looks like  custom private business joe s workshop in bakersfield california, not a trace of streamlined mass production ,robots and lots of assembly workers , and high productivity...lol
    pretty slow unefficient rudimentary production there.
    this vitazz is disappointing on so many levels cry No 
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:37 am

    Rpg type 7v wrote:that factory looks like  custom private business joe s workshop in bakersfield california, not a trace of streamlined mass production ,robots and lots of assembly workers , and high productivity...lol
    pretty slow unefficient rudimentary production there.
    this vitazz is disappointing on so many levels cry No 

    What are you basing this off of? The pics is the assembly plant, as Almaz Antey has multiple plants. As well, the company is quite effective since it is one of the largest companies in the world (25 in defence industry) and that is impressive for a company that deals with specialization of specific equipment.

    I really did not know how you came to that conclusion from the photos provided. As well, Vityaz system is an improvement of the KM-SAM that they assisted S.Korea with in development. I would say that it is probably more capable system than you may think it is.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:15 pm

    except km-sam is already operational and in mass production...
    while viutaz is not even in testing...it lags allot.
    there is a reason new assembly buildings for A-A are under construction.
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:02 am

    The Vitjaz project was only approved after the development of KM-SAM was finished and assesed.

    The company partially based the design of the Vityaz on its work with the South Korean KM-SAM Chun Koong system. Almaz-Antey designed three radar units for the KM-SAM, and is rumored to have also helped design the system’s missiles.

    The Russian military officially backed the Vityaz project – which has better capabilities than the Korean air defense system – after studying its performance, Almaz-Antey said in 2010. The new Russian system has been in the works since 2007, and is expected to be completed in record time.

    http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_demonstrated_the_new_short-to-medium_range_air_defense_missile_platform_50r6a_vityaz_0207131.html

    Russian input into Samsung's development

    The first development provides a broader explanation for Samsung’s innovation capacity. In the late 1990s they were able to tap into a source of cheap scientific expertise in the former Soviet Union.

    Samsung has nurtured a close relationship with the Russian Academy of Science since then. There is a framework agreement between the two parties. And the Korean Government has its own agreement under which it funds Korean small businesses to develop projects on the back of Academy research. Samsung meanwhile appears to help the Academy to increase its patent count and to exploit its inventions.

    ...

    Has the Russian connection shown concrete value for Samsung?

    Right now Samsung is working on 3D projection and display with the Academy. In 2009 BusinessWeek reported that Samsung relied on its relationships with Russian experts for its smartphone software development, adding:

       Russian brains helped Samsung develop the image-processing chips in its digital TVs and refine its frequency-filtering technology that significantly reduced noise on its now-ubiquitous handsets.

    ...

    But a second effect of the relationship with Russian science was the introduction of TRIZ, an innovation method that Samsung adopted from 2000 onwards but which only reached American companies from the mid-2000s onwards (Intel is a user).

    TRIZ is a methodology for systematic problem solving. Typical of its origins in Russia, it asks users to seek the contradictions in current technological conditions and customer needs and to imagine an ideal state that innovation should drive towards.


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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:32 am

    except km-sam is already operational and in mass production...
    while viutaz is not even in testing...it lags allot.
    there is a reason new assembly buildings for A-A are under construction.

    No big surprise that KM-SAM is in production and operational... the UAE got Pantsir-S1 first too... for the same reason... they paid for it.


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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:20 am

    Vityaz is a powerful and much needed substitute for older versions of S-300. Its configuration in its current form is familiar for Russians and will allow faster implementation of the project and cheaper production. 38 batteries are to be acquired by 2020.  Thats a lot and I suspect that by the end of 2020 we will see another modernization of the project. I have feeling that as with all the other Russian projects, Vityaz too had many different concepts during its development and no matter the reasons unknown to us, Russian Generals opted for this one. In comparison with older S-300 system, Vityaz has:

    - Longer range missiles
    - 3 times more missiles
    - Different types of missiles
    - More guidance channels
    - Tactical and strategic mobility (Il-476/76)
    - 360° coverage
    - Deployment time is obviously not larger than 5 min
    - better low level coverage
    - ability to shoot down tactical ballistic targets
    - missiles (arguably by some Russians forum members, 9M96 missiles for Vityaz are even bigger than those advertised for S-300/400 - meaning even bigger range)
    - Ability to work with all the other systems and much better ability to integrate within existing and future radar and SAM networkđ

    What remains a mystery is:

    - AESA radar which might or might not be but can easily be added later. (thing is also that for some reason Russians does not want to integrate search and
      engagement radar in one)
    - we have TEL not TELAR (but that too can be added within some future modernization or some Vityaz - PM version)


    Anyway Im more than satisfied with this current configuration as it will significantly enchant Russian PVO.
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:48 am

    The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  medo on Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:59 am

    TheArmenian wrote:The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.


    True. Vityaz was shown to Putin and MoD delegation and we could be sure, that journalists, who escort delegation, were not allowed to see everything.

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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:00 am

    GarryB wrote:
    except km-sam is already operational and in mass production...
    while viutaz is not even in testing...it lags allot.
    there is a reason new assembly buildings for A-A are under construction.

    No big surprise that KM-SAM is in production and operational... the UAE got Pantsir-S1 first too... for the same reason... they paid for it.
    they were introduced at about the same time. Vytaz is not even tested -yet.It was announced in late 90s .... This is too slow and too much money is wasted is slow programs.
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  medo on Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:40 pm

    South Korean money? Missiles were first developed for S-300 and later S-400 use. Later were used for KM-SAM, where AA cooperate in its development and than Russian MoD start with Vityaz project with many things already developed. Anyway any development take its time to build and test components and a complex as a whole.
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:40 pm

    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    except km-sam is already operational and in mass production...
    while viutaz is not even in testing...it lags allot.
    there is a reason new assembly buildings for A-A are under construction.

    No big surprise that KM-SAM is in production and operational... the UAE got Pantsir-S1 first too... for the same reason... they paid for it.
    they were introduced at about the same time. Vytaz is not even tested -yet.It was announced in late 90s .... This is too slow and too much money is  wasted is slow programs.

    Just because it was announced, does not mean serious work started.

    What do you know about the money spent on the program? Talking out of your ass again?

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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:17 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.

    good point... vytaz is still not in full production for few more years , maybe that hall will be full of machines and workers latter ,for now its empty.
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:21 pm

    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.

    good point... vytaz is still not in full production for few more years , maybe that hall will be full of machines and workers latter ,for now its empty.

    Or maybe that hall is not for final assembly?

    Are you really this thick?

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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  Rpg type 7v on Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:32 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.

    good point... vytaz is still not in full production for few more years , maybe that hall will be full of machines and workers latter ,for now its empty.

    Or maybe that hall is not for final assembly?

    Are you really this thick?

    Such a BIG and large hall not used for anything much??? affraid ...yeah talk avout wasting resourses....Rolling Eyes 
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:44 pm

    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Rpg type 7v wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:The Russians have told and shown us only what they wanted us to know and see of the Vityaz system.
    Their military industry is becoming more and more domestic oriented and decreasing its dependency on exports. I have noticed that over the last few years, they are more secretive on many programs. Take CLUB for example...we have seen only export versions.
    I suspect there a lot more to Vityaz and also the S-400 than we have seen.

    good point... vytaz is still not in full production for few more years , maybe that hall will be full of machines and workers latter ,for now its empty.

    Or maybe that hall is not for final assembly?

    Are you really this thick?

    Such a BIG and large hall not used for anything much???  affraid ...yeah talk avout wasting resourses....Rolling Eyes 

    You are daft.

    If you noticed, it was a showcasing of the Vityaz system. It really wasn't that large looking, at least nowhere near as to the facility I work at.

    What I find amazing is how you can put 2+2 together by looking at 1 picture of a few angles.
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:38 am

    Designation of Vityaz system: S-350E

    http://www.raspletin.ru/press-centre/newspaper/archive/2013/06/06-13.pdf
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  gaurav on Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:37 pm

    Designation of Vityaz system: S-350E

    I converted your pdf to English by google translation..

    There is no word on the missiles used in S-350E.
    So nothing can be said about the missiles/weapons as such.Cool

    There is no official interview/comment from the manufacturer about the missiles.
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:47 am

    gaurav wrote:
    Designation of Vityaz system: S-350E

    I converted your pdf to English by google translation..

    There is no word on the missiles used in S-350E.
    So nothing can be said about the missiles/weapons as such.Cool

    There is no official interview/comment from the manufacturer about the missiles.

    It is mentioned several times in the article. probably your google translation sucks.

    Все эти аспекты учтены ОАО «ГСКБ
    «Алмаз-Антей» при разработке перспективной
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:09 pm

    Russia to Unveil New Air Defense System at MAKS-2013

    MOSCOW, August 24 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Almaz-Antei corporation will showcase for the first time its newest S-350E Vityaz mid-range air defense system at the upcoming MAKS-2013 air show near Moscow, the company said.

    The Vityaz, which is expected to replace the outdated S-300 systems, is superior to similar foreign models, according to Almaz-Antei statement released on Friday.

    The new Russian system was reportedly shown to President Vladimir Putin during his June 19 visit to a St. Petersburg plant where it is being manufactured by the Almaz-Antei corporation.

    The system has been in the works since 2007 and features advanced all-aspect phased array radar, a new mobile command post and a launcher carrying 12 vertical-launch missiles, which will use a variant of the 9M96 active radar homing missile, according to the company.

    Almaz-Antey plans to hand over the system to the Russian Defense Ministry for testing before the end of 2013 and start deliveries to the Russian military next year.

    The Vityaz will complement the Morfey, the S-400 and the S-500 air defense systems in the future aerospace defense network to engage targets at ranges from five to 400 kilometers, and at altitudes from five meters to near space.
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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  Viktor on Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:41 am

    2 Radar per battery?! for achieving ultimate

    - 16 aerodynamical targets with 32 missiles per battery

    - 12 ballistic (tactical) targets with 24 missiles per battery





    The structure AAMS include:

    - command and control point (FDR) 50K6E

    - multifunction radar (MFR) 50N6E (up to 2 units)Shocked Shocked Shocked 

    - launchers (PU) 50P6E (up to 8 units) with twelve anti-aircraft guided missiles, medium-range 9M96E2 (developer - of "ICD" Torch "to them. PD Grushin").


    The main highlight of the AAMS is a multi-function radar detection of air targets of a new type has no analogues in Russia. This station is the main communication tool of S-350E, running in a circular and sectoral modes and provides support for up to 100 targets. Management of MPR and PU are remotely controlled from the point of command and control, which can be removed from them at a distance of 2 km. All components of the unified air defense missile systems placed on the chassis BAZ-69092-012, manufactured by JSC "Bryansk Wheeled Tractor Plant." The launcher is designed for the transportation, storage, automatic prelaunch and launch anti-aircraft missiles. Missile launches are possible at intervals of 2 seconds System C-350E is capable of hitting up to 16 wind or up to 12 ballistic targets, the maximum number of simultaneously induced SAM - 32. This provides aerodynamic loss targets at ranges from 1.5 to 60 km and altitude - from 0.01 to 30 km, and ballistic - from 1.5 to 30 km, and from 2 to 25 km, respectively. Time to bring funds AAMS on alert after a march of only five minutes, a crew - 3 people. The system has high mobility and survivability, can operate autonomously, conducting independent military operations, as well as in the air-defense groups in the management of higher command posts. Combat operation of S-350E is fully automatic, and provides only a crew trained to work AAMS and controls the subsequent course of the fighting.


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    Re: Vityaz SAM System

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:03 am

    Viktor wrote:2 Radar per battery?! for achieving ultimate
    'Ultimate' would be something like the Buk series, with a radar each per launcher

    The main highlight of the AAMS is a multi-function radar detection of air targets of a new type has no analogues in Russia. This station is the main communication tool of S-350E, running in a circular and sectoral modes and provides support for up to 100 targets. Management of MPR and PU are remotely controlled from the point of command and control, which can be removed from them at a distance of 2 km. All components of the unified air defense missile systems placed on the chassis BAZ-69092-012, manufactured by JSC "Bryansk Wheeled Tractor Plant." The launcher is designed for the transportation, storage, automatic prelaunch and launch anti-aircraft missiles. Missile launches are possible at intervals of 2 seconds System C-350E is capable of hitting up to 16 wind or up to 12 ballistic targets, the maximum number of simultaneously induced SAM - 32. This provides aerodynamic loss targets at ranges from 1.5 to 60 km and altitude - from 0.01 to 30 km, and ballistic - from 1.5 to 30 km, and from 2 to 25 km, respectively. Time to bring funds AAMS on alert after a march of only five minutes, a crew - 3 people. The system has high mobility and survivability, can operate autonomously, conducting independent military operations, as well as in the air-defense groups in the management of higher command posts. Combat operation of S-350E is fully automatic, and provides only a crew trained to work AAMS and controls the subsequent course of the fighting.
    What is the S-350 supposed to replace exactly? Anyone have an answer?
    Because by these specifications it looks like a sort of medium-range SAM system similar to the Buk-M2/M3 or S-125 Pechora; rather than a follow on for the S-300 system.

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