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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles & Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:48 am

    I would suggest not reducing the muzzle velocity... the point of the round is that higher velocity.

    To reduce barrel wear driving rings on the rounds made of the new plastic driving bands they developed for cannon shells and bullets should eliminate barrel wear with no loss of performance...


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles & Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Cyrus the great on Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:45 pm

    GarryB wrote:I would suggest not reducing the muzzle velocity... the point of the round is that higher velocity.

    To reduce barrel wear driving rings on the rounds made of the new plastic driving bands they developed for cannon shells and bullets should eliminate barrel wear with no loss of performance...

    I really do appreciate this response, Garry.

    If these plastic driving bands prove durable and cost effective, then they should also be employed in current rounds like the 5.45. The 6x49 seems like an ideal round due to its competitive lightweight design, superb accuracy and its incredible power.

    The round is only 1 gram heavier than the 5.56 while producing almost 2x the energy and is undoubtedly more accurate, especially at longer ranges. The 6.5 rounds that have garnered so much attention in recent years are still too heavy but the 6x49 strikes the perfect balance. It could pass through barriers with ease. The air pocket feature of the 5.45 could be incorporated into a future updated version of the 6x49mm.

    Unfortunately, the 6x49mm is a victim of the Soviet fall and may never be adopted due to costs.
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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles & Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:54 am

    If these plastic driving bands prove durable and cost effective, then they should also be employed in current rounds like the 5.45.

    The issue would conditions.... will it still be effective as a driving band at sub zero temperatures.

    Of course if they do work and reduce barrel wear then the use in current calibres would be interesting. Boosting the muzzle velocity of existing rounds by 20-30% would be interesting with the new bands and new powder... of course iron sights would need to be recalibrated...

    Unfortunately, the 6x49mm is a victim of the Soviet fall and may never be adopted due to costs.

    Since the end of the cold war they have introduced half a dozen new calibres in small arms... both in small scale specialised rounds but also in large numbers too.

    The 9x19mm for pistols... the 9 x 21mm that will hopefully replace it (ie Viper pistol (SR-1) and SR-2 SMG both use the 9 x 21mm).

    The 12.7 x 55mm specialist round to suppliment the 9 x 39mm quiet round... their 9mm version of the Lapua magnum in their 9.3x69mm round for long range use.

    They are developing new families of small arms... now is the time to introduce a new calibre... especially if it can replace older obsolete calibres like 7.62 x 54Rmm.

    The huge irony is that before WWI Federov was experimenting with a 6.5mm round for his avtomat... in the end they used a similar calibre in the form of the Japanese 6.5x50.5R rimmed round... whose kinetic performance is very similar to the modern 7.62 x 39mm AK calibre... 120 odd grain bullet at about 650m/s... compared with the AK round with a 122 grain bullet at 710m/s. The smaller calibre round would retain energy over greater ranges so at 300m they would be very similar.


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles & Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Arctic_Fox on Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:19 am

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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles & Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Benya on Sun May 21, 2017 9:33 pm

    New assault rifle and submachine gun for Russian Ratnik future soldier outfit for end of this year.

    By the end of the year the Russian military can choose a submachine gun to equip the new Ratnik outfit. At present automatic rifles of two producers are undergoing tests - Kalashnikov (AK-12 and AK-15) and Kovrov enterprise (A545, A762). It is possible that both rifles will become operational, Lenta-ru online publication said.


    Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifle

    The Ratnik dubbed as "future soldier outfit" is one of the major modernization projects in the Russian army. The most interesting part is the choice of the rifle to replace currently operational AK-74M. The military want to have the new weapon with two calibers - 5.45 and 7.62mm. It is only logical as after the Soviet army switched in 1974 to 5.45x39mm cartridges some units - reconnaissance, commando, etc. continued to use 7.62x39 firearms.

    Two producers bid to arm the soldier of the future: the Kalashnikov Concern and the Degtyarev plant in Kovrov. The latter submitted a design which was rejected by the military in the past century. It is AEK-971 with trimmed-out automatics. It means the bolt assembly has a special rocker beam equal in weight with connected tooth wheel. During a shot the rocker beam moves in different direction against the bolt assembly and compensates the strike impulse on the back wall of the receiver and thus considerably decreases the upwards movement of the rifle. As a result, the AEK accuracy of fire in bursts is 15-20 percent superior to AK-74.

    The AEK-971 was designed by the Kovrov Mechanical Works for Abakan contest announced by the Defense Ministry in 1978. At that time the military believed the solutions used in the rifle were unfounded and the submachine gun did not even reach the final. However it did not vanish altogether and was upgraded in the 1990s and produced in small batches for the Interior Ministry and other law enforcement agencies. It continued up to 2006 when the Kovrov enterprise stopped weapons production and handed it over to ZiD enterprise. In 2010 it launched small-batch production of AEK-971 and upgraded the rifle. In 2014 the latest modifications were submitted for the Ratnik contest as A545 of 5.45mm caliber and 7.62mm A762.


    Kalashnikov AK-15 assault rifle 7.62x39mm

    The Kalashnikov Concern presented a new version of AK-12 submachine gun. Its history is not that long as of AEK but is also twisty. The design of the rifle began in 2011 specifically for Ratnik. The author of the idea and the head of the project was then Designer General of the concern Vladimir Zlobin. According to arms expert and Editor-in-Chief of Kalashnikov magazine Mikhail Degtyarev, the new rifle created on the basis of AK has practically no interchangeable parts with its prototype.

    In was announced in 2015 that the submachinegun began government acceptance tests. In the autumn of 2016 the Army-2016 show featured an AK-12 rifle which had nothing in common with the submachinegun promoted by Kalashnikov for five years.

    The new AK-12 (and its AK-15 option for 7.62x39mm cartridge) resembled AK-74M rifle in the modernized Obves set with a telescopic buttstock like that of US M16/M4, ergonomic handle, Picatinny rails on barrel extension, grip, gas tube, etc. "I believe current AK-12 to be an option of AK-74M. They are not amended rifles within one design, they are different firearms. And different rifles should not have the same name," Degtyarev said.

    There were claims that the military demanded AK-12 designers to unify the rifle to the maximum with operational AK-74M.


    Kalashnikov AK-15 and AK-12 assault rifles

    The Kalashnikov Concern was reserved in explaining the difference between the initial and final options of the rifle. "The displayed samples were upgraded according to the results of government acceptance tests and differ from previous options by appearance and construction of several important units," it said. In particular, the construction of the barrel extension and the gas unit has been changed. The barrel is overhanging as much as it is possible in AK which has to increase the accuracy of fire. There is also the mentioned telescopic buttstock, a more convenient gun safety lock/fire switch and a possibility to shoot in a fixed burst mode. The main secret of AK-12 is likely the new barrel extension cap with Picattinny rails to mount sights. Kalashnikov representatives say the cap construction makes it possible to mount and safely keep sighting devices on it. Such options of AK-12 and AK-15 rifles were handed over to the military for field tests.

    The main intermediate result of the contest is as follows: the Ratnik project will hardly produce a rifle of the future or a new-generation submachinegun. "There are improvements but very modest on the background of excessive expectations triggered by a media campaign. Local successes include ergonomic improvements of existing firearms. There can be no talk about a breakthrough or even a major modernization of the rifles," Degtyarev said.

    Many experts and the military see no necessity in replacing the AK-74M which suits the army in general. "The experience of all wars shows that the main requirement is reliability," said military expert Viktor Murakhovsky. "AK-74 is a very successful design but it needs modernization. It is necessary to considerably improve combat engagement convenience, including ergonomics, and provide a possibility to mount additional devices," he said. The expert said that in case of a large-scale war it would be necessary to arm an army up to two million men strong and in this case "a transfer to a completely new rifle would be inappropriate".

    Besides, military warehouses have accumulated up to 17 million Kalashnikov rifles which can be modernized through the Obves set if necessary.

    Lenta.ru interlocutors believe the Kalashnikov Concern would win the Ratnik contest as its rifle is the best option from the point of view of production technologies, logistics and real army needs. Besides, Kalashnikov enjoys higher lobbying possibilities than ZiD. The capacities of the Kovrov enterprise do not allow launching massive production of the rifle to rearm the troops. It means even in case AEK-971 wins the contest its production is likely to be entrusted to Kalashnikov, Lenta.ru believes.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/new_assault_rifle_submachine_gun_ratnik_russia_12105173.html



    As far as I know, the Soviet Army adopted the 5.45x39mm round for assault rifles due to its higher lethality. While the 7.62x39mm round just penetrates through the human body, the 5.45x39mm one spins inside a couple of times after penetration, causing more damage, has greater muzzle velocity, and is lighter, so more of it can be carried.

    BTW the 7.62x39mm round on the other hand can defeat body armor and targets behind lighter cover (trees/bushes) more easily. This is logical, and this is the main reason why a full transition to the 5.45x39mm (light machine guns are still using the 7.62x39mm round) was never made.

    This raised a couple of questions for me:

    1.) Since we are seeing two assault rifles of both of the aforementioned calibers, how the Russian Army will field them in the future, especially the latter one?

    2.) Which units would use which calibers? It is common in the Russian Army that certain units use different calibers. For example, SpetzNaz soldiers use the AS Val with its 9x39mm caliber, and they are using it for its great stopping power. So will they reintroduce the 7.62x39mm caliber as a standard issue assault rifle caliber, and for what purposes, and in what type of units?
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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles & Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 22, 2017 4:49 am

    AFAIK the recon soldiers in each Russian military force have AS and VSS rifles to assist them in their mission.

    Many Spetsnaz forces did use 7.62 x 39mm calibre rifles because they were more effective when using suppressed ammo, but these days they could simply use AS or VSS weapons instead.

    Interesting that the heavy calibre replacement round... 12.7 x 55mm has both subsonic and supersonic projectiles for quiet use and non quiet use.

    I personally like the ADS and would like to see that more widely used.


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles & Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Arctic_Fox on Tue May 23, 2017 7:50 pm

    A762 latest version:


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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles & Machine Guns: Discussion

    Post  Benya on Tue May 23, 2017 10:08 pm

    Arctic_Fox wrote:A762 latest version:



    At first glance, I thought that this is a bastard child of the MP-5 and the AK-12 Very Happy
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    Re: Russian Assault Rifles & Machine Guns: Discussion

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    ^^^
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    Tho, visually I prefer 2014 6P67 version than this big boy

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