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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:30 am

    Won't stop about a gazillion propaganda pieces & little snide additions to other topics 'After the failure of Armata Russia is so desperate to fill out its Aggressive Russian Expansionist Russia Aggression army that its recommissioning WWII era tanks!!111!1!11'

    Yeah, but think how much money they will be saving on tents when the temperature gets below zero degrees C... perhaps Germany has forgotten the lessons of WWII already... it is OK because they only plan to fight in summer...

    The real issue is that of the enormous number of T-34s they made they barely had enough left to do what they are doing with these tanks from Laos... which suggests their other tanks in storage are probably in a usable shape but not a parade shape... which makes sense.

    Of course if anyone really gets lippy about the Russians using foreign made tanks in their WWII commemoration these are probably the famous tanks that evaded the great Laotian tank eater.... so they are famous.

    (For those not aware, the new gunships were tested in Laos and Vietnam during that period (60s-70s) but when they returned from missions their reports listed enormous numbers of kills, whose wrecks never seemed to be present when the recon aircraft flew over later to check the damage done... the difference in the number killed and the number of destroyed vehicles found was explained by the Great Laotian Tank eater... that these vehicles seemed to have avoided for a good 50 years it seems...)
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    Post  hoom on Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:53 pm

    Interesting, never heard of that.

    There could be a LOT of 7.62mm size dings on the armor of these?! Laughing
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:04 am

    i think this tank unit formed by WWII T-34s has a symbolic role mainly
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:40 am

    i think this tank unit formed by WWII T-34s has a symbolic role mainly

    A very important symbolic role... they will likely be used in the May day parades from now on...

    Interesting, never heard of that.

    AC-47... the original gunship... Smile

    It was initially called Puff the magic dragon, but ended up being called Spooky.

    It was during missions to intercept material and trucks going down the Ho Chi Min trail in Laos that created the myth...
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    Post  hoom on Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:09 am

    'After the failure of Armata Russia is so desperate to fill out its Aggressive Russian Expansionist Russia Aggression army that its recommissioning WWII era tanks!!111!1!11'
    Well I wasn't too far off  Laughing
    "Russia buys WWII-era T-34s for propaganda boost as supposed NATO killer T-14 tank fails to launch"
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/putin-pivots-to-wwii-t-34-tank-propaganda-as-the-t-14-fails-to-launch-2019-1
    Trash propaganda so predictable love
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:21 pm

    Hahahaha... some western sites are so ignorant... but then ignorance is catching... but then we knew for years about the various long range cruise missiles the Russians had, but the west didn't really take notice until they used them in Syria.

    Further evidence if evidence was needed that the west is not the future and some alternative from Russia or China or indeed India is needed...
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    Post  Hole on Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:55 pm

    How many authors has this piece of s...? One guy alone can´t be that dumb!
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:57 am

    There was probably an entire team of yes men encouraging each other to be dumber and dumber...
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    Post  hoom on Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:47 am

    How many authors has this piece of s...?
    Dunno, didn't bother to read past the headline dunno
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    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:00 am

    i selected this topic as better related because it says that BRDMs are being upgraded and delivered to various countries

    Myanmar received upgraded BRDM-2MS

     According to Myanmar social networks, the armed forces of Myanmar received a batch of 33 modernized armored reconnaissance and patrol vehicles BRDM-2MS from Russia (including three in the commander’s version) from Russia. It is reported that the BRDM-2MS data is planned to be publicly demonstrated for the first time at a military parade in honor of Myanmar's Armed Forces Day on May 27.

    Modernized armored reconnaissance and patrol vehicles BRDM-2MS received from the Myanmar armed forces from Russia during the passage from Yangon to Mandalay, February 2020 (c) twitter.com/NyanPwintAung1

     On the bmpd side, we recall that the previously upgraded BRDM-2MS were donated by the Russian side to Laos, Serbia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan at no cost.

       Repair and modernization of the BRDM-2 from the storage of the Russian Ministry of Defense to the level of the BRDM-2MS is carried out by JSC 103 Armored Repair Plant in Atamanovka (Trans-Baikal Territory).

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3926328.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:03 am

    I always liked the look of the BRDM-2... it looked like a neat little vehicle... and being amphibious and with those belly wheels making it cross country capable I often considered buying one and bringing it back to NZ.

    My favourite model was the ATGM armed model with the fully retracting launcher, but the one with the HMG turret looked cool too.

    Always thought a civilianised model made of plastic instead of metal that was lighter but still amphibious and with much larger windows would be a cool little vehicle to ride around in...

    Problem is that I am quite big so fitting in to motor vehicles is generally a pain in the neck... literally...
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    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:52 am

    hoom wrote:
    'After the failure of Armata Russia is so desperate to fill out its Aggressive Russian Expansionist Russia Aggression army that its recommissioning WWII era tanks!!111!1!11'
    Well I wasn't too far off  Laughing
    "Russia buys WWII-era T-34s for propaganda boost as supposed NATO killer T-14 tank fails to launch"
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/putin-pivots-to-wwii-t-34-tank-propaganda-as-the-t-14-fails-to-launch-2019-1
    Trash propaganda so predictable love

    Modern T-34 would be very good against those light protected IFV armed with machine guns that compose 90% of nato vehicles

    It must be funny to see how easter nato front answers to a big wave of 1000 t-72BM3 and 4000 modern t-34.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:02 am

    It would be ironic if that were the case because the early T-34s included some with a high velocity 57mm guns designed for anti armour use. Its penetration performance was very very good and it would probably have been able to penetrate Tigers and Panthers if it had been used so if they had gone ahead with this 57mm gun for the T-34 the Tiger and the Panther probably would have been modified before service entry to have heavier armour which probably would have made their overall performance and production times even worse.

    An upgraded T-34 with a high velocity 57mm gun would be interesting but would it be a secondary light tank?

    Equipping BMPs in Armata and Kurganets and Boomerang divisions with 57mm guns to take on secondary NATO vehicles would make rather more sense than reintroducing the T-34.

    Of course in the end they made the correct choice and fitted a larger calibre 76.2mm gun with a better HE round which made them far more versatile and useful on the battlefield... for all the west goes on about the Panther and Tiger in terms of numbers they were insignificant...
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    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:21 am

    The best is the one with the 85mm gun. A modern 85mm HEAT would be very good against everything but tanks. Even if I would keep the APHE with updated perf.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:24 am

    GarryB wrote:I always liked the look of the BRDM-2... it looked like a neat little vehicle... and being amphibious and with those belly wheels making it cross country capable I often considered buying one and bringing it back to NZ.

    My favourite model was the ATGM armed model with the fully retracting launcher, but the one with the HMG turret looked cool too.

    Always thought a civilianised model made of plastic instead of metal that was lighter but still amphibious and with much larger windows would be a cool little vehicle to ride around in...

    Problem is that I am quite big so fitting in to motor vehicles is generally a pain in the neck... literally...

    ive been inside one its actually got quite a lot of room inside, you could even fit another 3-4 guys in there although no seats for them but could stick on their rucksacks/bergens, funnily enough it was in Chernobyl lol.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:58 am

    Isos wrote:The best is the one with the 85mm gun. A modern 85mm HEAT would be very good against everything but tanks. Even if I would keep the APHE with updated perf.

    quite agree, 85mm tank gun would still be able to deal with light armour such as recce, apc, IFV etc, as well destroy buildings, a sort of infantry support tank. A T-34-85 could still prove usefel only down side is speed and lack of armour, but add armour plates to the front and caged armour which is simple enough and u have fire support vehicle, although only worth doing if you already had them in storage, and you were facing a civil war of some kind where you wouldnt be up against high tech forces. I know syria and cuba use the chassis for various things, Syria i believe mounted D-30 (but not in a turret) a bit like a 2S5. I think from memory Cuba mounted various artillery guns, and anti aircraft guns mounted on T-34. Cuba seems to like mounting various guns on different older platforms, even a   T-55 turret onto a BTR-60 lol. below is a few pics i have, two with a D-30 in different turrets, one with a KS-19, two with 130mm M-46,(all Cuban) and then a few pics of Syrian D-30 mounted.i have also added on a few of a prototype BTR-70 armed with 85mm called 2S14 Zhalo. I have quite a few pics of other cuban and north korean mash ups of vehicles and turrets if your interested.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:38 am

    GarryB wrote:I always liked the look of the BRDM-2... it looked like a neat little vehicle... and being amphibious and with those belly wheels making it cross country capable I often considered buying one and bringing it back to NZ.

    My favourite model was the ATGM armed model with the fully retracting launcher, but the one with the HMG turret looked cool too.

    Always thought a civilianised model made of plastic instead of metal that was lighter but still amphibious and with much larger windows would be a cool little vehicle to ride around in...

    Problem is that I am quite big so fitting in to motor vehicles is generally a pain in the neck... literally...

    it is a neat little unit and with upgrades still fairly decent, remember seeing ones in Syria armed with added AGS-17 and zu-23-2, and one with AGS and 12.7mm instead of 14.5mm and cuban ones with 120mm mortar, pics below. There is one pic (syrian) i wasnt sure if it was a ATGW or a soft kill system/EW system, maybe you have an idea.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:35 am

    it is a neat little unit and with upgrades still fairly decent, remember seeing ones in Syria armed with added AGS-17 and zu-23-2, and one with AGS and 12.7mm instead of 14.5mm and cuban ones with 120mm mortar, pics below. There is one pic (syrian) i wasnt sure if it was a ATGW or a soft kill system/EW system, maybe you have an idea.

    Was thinking more of a recreational vehicle I could take on holiday out in the middle of nowhere... do a bit of hunting and fishing, camping in the vehicle...

    Regarding comment about the T-34... these vehicles are for parades and wont be operational for the Russian military.

    Of the available weapon options I would probably go for a 120mm gun/mortar set up as it can use both mortar bombs and 120mm shells and also 120mm missiles and 122mm missiles developed for other weapons.

    It would have a much more potent HE round than anything you could get for a 57m gun or 85mm gun for that matter...

    For the very few times it would come up against enemy armour a diving top attack 120mm round perhaps with a tandem 120mm HEAT warhead... it would be devastating...
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:14 am

    GarryB wrote:
    it is a neat little unit and with upgrades still fairly decent, remember seeing ones in Syria armed with added AGS-17 and zu-23-2, and one with AGS and 12.7mm instead of 14.5mm and cuban ones with 120mm mortar, pics below. There is one pic (syrian) i wasnt sure if it was a ATGW or a soft kill system/EW system, maybe you have an idea.

    Was thinking more of a recreational vehicle I could take on holiday out in the middle of nowhere... do a bit of hunting and fishing, camping in the vehicle...

    Regarding comment about the T-34... these vehicles are for parades and wont be operational for the Russian military.

    Of the available weapon options I would probably go for a 120mm gun/mortar set up as it can use both mortar bombs and 120mm shells and also 120mm missiles and 122mm missiles developed for other weapons.

    It would have a much more potent HE round than anything you could get for a 57m gun or 85mm gun for that matter...

    For the very few times it would come up against enemy armour a diving top attack 120mm round perhaps with a tandem 120mm HEAT warhead... it would be devastating...

    if its for recreation, you would be better cutting off all the armour (from the sides up) and using fibre glass shell with a steel cage, this would reduce the weight massively and should give you better fuel consumption, but you would still retain good off road capabilities, not sure if i would go full amphibious looool.

    hahaha i never expected Russia to actually use the T-34 as combat, i was talking about other armed forces who have it in stock (most likely poor countries)

    I think 57mm has its place in combat and so does the 120mm gun it depends on what use you want
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:47 am

    if its for recreation, you would be better cutting off all the armour (from the sides up) and using fibre glass shell with a steel cage, this would reduce the weight massively and should give you better fuel consumption, but you would still retain good off road capabilities, not sure if i would go full amphibious looool.

    I was thinking of crossing rivers and operating near the sea so amphibious, but not using it as a boat so often as something that will pretty much go anywhere.

    I was thinking a metal frame coated or easily replaceable in case of sea water rust problems with a modern plastic hull about 30-40mm thick with a design to make it naturally bouyant.

    Nice big windows... double or triple glazed for strength so tree branches and bushes wont break them... but nothing about the vehicle needs to be bullet proof... I am not thinking about a WWIII vehicle...

    Reduced weight and new more fuel efficient engines would be valuable, internal cooking facilities and space beside the drivers seat to the rear of the vehicle for a fold down bed. A set of solar panels that fold on the roof to keep power options open... and also a back up bed for the night when there are no mossies and no chance of rain... to sleep under the stars... Some sort of foldable trike would be interesting (ie three wheel bike) would be handy for recovering large animal carcasses without having to run the main engine all the time... a fuel cell would be useful to convert sunlight into hydrogen fuel for cooking perhaps and for power at night when the sun is not up.

    The BRDM is probably a bit small... perhaps I would need a BTR-80 sized vehicle but everything just gets bigger and more expensive... would prefer to crush everything I need down into the size of your average big car...

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