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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:16 pm

    @TheArmenian: no problem buddy, thanks thumbsup

    This would be 220 mm version




    300 mm one


    And there is a combo version also. Although, I am pretty sure they could get away with using smaller truck...

    Can't post source because OP did not bother to post one... dunno
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:30 pm

    From what i conclude, Tornado is only modernization of older MRLSs? Not completely a new system?


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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  franco on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:56 pm

    George1 wrote:From what i conclude, Tornado is only modernization of older MRLSs? Not completely a new system?


    Not sure about how much the actual rockets have been modernized but the rest of the system is totally new. And would appear to also replace the Smerch by combining them into one vehicle with interchangeable rocket pods.
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:39 pm

    technically this is just a serious upgrade of the electronics of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch... the main difference however is that the Uragan and Smerch seem to now have a unified platform, and they are loaded in pallets instead of individually.



    This seems to show another 122mm pallet with 3 rows of 5 rockets in each pack.

    Has anyone see the 220mm rocket pallets?

    The 300mm 6 packs are visible in the picture above too.

    I would expect a 220mm rocket pack would include about 8 tubes so it equates (with two pallets) to the 16 tubes of Uragan... the Smerch 300mm rockets have 6 tubes each which matches the original system when two pallets are used of 12 rockets. The above 15 shot pallets of Grad 122mm is just short of the original system 30 instead of 40 which perhaps explains why the Grad has been replaced with a Grad with 40 fixed tubes instead of pallets.


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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  franco on Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:technically this is just a serious upgrade of the electronics of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch... the main difference however is that the Uragan and Smerch seem to now have a unified platform, and they are loaded in pallets instead of individually.



    This seems to show another 122mm pallet with 3 rows of 5 rockets in each pack.

    Has anyone see the 220mm rocket pallets?

    The 300mm 6 packs are visible in the picture above too.

    I would expect a 220mm rocket pack would include about 8 tubes so it equates (with two pallets) to the 16 tubes of Uragan... the Smerch 300mm rockets have 6 tubes each which matches the original system when two pallets are used of 12 rockets. The above 15 shot pallets of Grad 122mm is just short of the original system 30 instead of 40 which perhaps explains why the Grad has been replaced with a Grad with 40 fixed tubes instead of pallets.

    A 12 round 220mm rocket pack (660x880) would be pretty close in size to a 6 round 300mm rocket pack (600x900) but I have not seen anything yet.

    Also those 122mm pods are 4x5 or 20 rounds each.
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:technically this is just a serious upgrade of the electronics of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch... the main difference however is that the Uragan and Smerch seem to now have a unified platform, and they are loaded in pallets instead of individually.



    This seems to show another 122mm pallet with 3 rows of 5 rockets in each pack.

    Has anyone see the 220mm rocket pallets?

    The 300mm 6 packs are visible in the picture above too.

    I would expect a 220mm rocket pack would include about 8 tubes so it equates (with two pallets) to the 16 tubes of Uragan... the Smerch 300mm rockets have 6 tubes each which matches the original system when two pallets are used of 12 rockets. The above 15 shot pallets of Grad 122mm is just short of the original system 30 instead of 40 which perhaps explains why the Grad has been replaced with a Grad with 40 fixed tubes instead of pallets.

    Look closer. 4x5.

    The Grad is being replaced by a Tornado-G model, but AFAIK it looks more or less the same as a normal Grad. So maybe its just a modernization, while the 122mm pallets will be used on similar size but new trucks tha might not be ready yet; which explains why we've only seen Uragan and Smersh sized trucks
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:58 am

    Well duh... I should look at these images at full size rather than glancing at the thumbnails.

    The Grad is being replaced by a Tornado-G model, but AFAIK it looks more or less the same as a normal Grad. So maybe its just a modernization, while the 122mm pallets will be used on similar size but new trucks tha might not be ready yet; which explains why we've only seen Uragan and Smersh sized trucks

    That is possible, but I suspect that the future plan is for the Grad lookalike Tornado-G to just replace the Grad vehicles... they seem to have fixed tubes rather than loaded pallets.

    TO me therefore I suspect the other vehicle we see with the separate pallets that seems to be a replacement for both the Uragan and Smerch that can carry two pallets so assuming 122mm, 220mm and 300mm pallets in any combination should be a useful flexible vehicle.

    On other vehicle we have seen is a light truck with a single pallet... now assuming the single pallet light truck uses standard pallets that means it could carry one 122mm, 220mm 0r 300mm pallet to support different units over different ranges of targets.

    This would mean for light units that use light rockets (122mm) they could use Tornado-G, while light mobile units might use the light truck Tornado with a single pallet capacity, while heavier units or units than need heavy fire power could use the other Tornado with the two pallets.


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    MLRS "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" will receive guided missiles

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:37 pm

    MLRS "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" will receive guided missiles

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151121/1325676321.html
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    MOSCOW, 21 Nov — RIA Novosti. Guided missiles will be developed for reactive systems of volley fire (MLRS) "Smerch" and "Tornado-S", said Saturday the Deputy chief of Rocket troops and artillery (Rvia) of Russian Land forces the General-major Alexander Drahomaretskiy.
    "For "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" in the future will be developed guided missiles, which will carry out the exact defeat of the purposes",- said the General-the major in radio station interview "Russian news service".
    Earlier it was reported that MLRS "Tornado-S" will greatly enhance the capability of the troops. It will enhance the combat potential of the existing "Tornado" through the creation of a new family of rockets, new approaches and improvements that are associated with a geodetic reference guidance

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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:11 pm

    About 50 units of multiple launch rocket systems "Smerch", "Grad" and "Uragan" motorized rifle entered service in Western Military Region

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=3&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151202/1334254321.html&usg=ALkJrhgSIuo8Uc2qgolUoSCrqL5FXE5ObA


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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:37 pm

    Western MD artillery formation received 8 Uragan MLRS



    One of the Western MD artillery formations received 8 Uragan multiple launch rocket systems and 16 transport-loading vehicles. These systems are to raise combat capabilities of the formation while defensive and offensive operations.

    These MLRS are designed for engaging covered manpower, light-armored and armored combat hardware, artillery, tactic missile complexes, command and communication centers, and other infrastructural objects of the enemy.

    The 220mm Uragan systems are capable to perform firing by single projectiles as by full barrage at targets located in the area of about 40 hectares at the distance up to 35 kilometers. Each projectile weights 280 kg.

    It takes no more than three minutes to prepare the system for firing. Full barrage is performed in 20 seconds. The MLRS battery is ready to perform marching in a minute after firing.

    http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12078125@egNews


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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:57 pm

    Russia will outfit its Smerch and Uragan heavy multiple rocket launchers with specially designed canvas tents to make them invisible to enemy satellites and radar, the Moscow-based newspaper Izvestia wrote.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/russia/201701171049670624-russia-smerch-cloak/


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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:49 pm

    MLRS "Uragan-1M" in St. Michael's military academy

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2429120.html


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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:10 pm

    Since this thread is about Soviet era rockets launchers shouldn't it be relocated to the USSR history thread?
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:21 am

    Good point.


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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:23 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Since this thread is about Soviet era rockets launchers shouldn't it be relocated to the USSR history thread?

    i had it in Russian army because these old MRLS are still in service. And there are still news for these systems, e.g. Modernization of Grad, Uragan deployment etc
    MiG-29 and Su-25, Su-27 also are of soviet era but still in service with russian army


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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  franco on Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:14 pm

    First new modern Smerch MRLS arrived at T'ver (79th brigade). First upgraded unit should be operational by summer.

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12119092@egNews
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:55 am

    George1 wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Since this thread is about Soviet era rockets launchers shouldn't it be relocated to the USSR history thread?

    i had it in Russian army because these old MRLS are still in service. And there are still news for these systems, e.g. Modernization of Grad, Uragan deployment etc
    MiG-29 and Su-25, Su-27 also are of soviet era but still in service with russian army

    Makes sense.
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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:04 am

    franco wrote:First new modern Smerch MRLS arrived at T'ver (79th brigade). First upgraded unit should be operational by summer.

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12119092@egNews

    "Seven Smerch multiple rocket launchers have arrived for the Western Military District’s rocket artillery brigade stationed in the Tver Region as part of the troops’ planned rearmament with modern weapon systems and equipment. Late this month, the arrival of another five combat vehicles is expected," the district’s press office said.
    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/941779


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    Re: Russian MRLS: Grad, Smerch, Uragan. TOS-1

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:37 pm

    Scorching Power: Russia to Roll Out New Armata-Based Heavy Flamethrower

    A brand-new heavy flame-throwing system will enter service with the Russian Armed Forces in the next few years.

    The Russian Armed Forces is due to get the advanced heavy flame-throwing system Tosochka which will replace the TOS-1A Solntsepyok (Sunheat) heavy flamethrower currently in service.

    RIA Novosti quoted Nikolai Makarovets, chief designer of the Russian research and production association Splav, as saying that the Tosochka heavy flamethrower will be delivered in line with Russia's state armaments program for 2018-2025. Splav is dealing with the development of the Tosochka systems.

    "This is the development of the Solntsepyok project and unlike Solntsepyok, the new system will be equipped with a wheeled chassis. Experience of operating heavy flamethrowers in desert areas has indicated wheeled chassis are the best option," Makarovets during the ongoing MAKS-2017 airshow.

    In an interview with Sputnik, Russian military expert Viktor Murakhovsky specifically focused on characteristics of the Tosochka system.

    Referring to Solntsepyok, he recalled that "the heavy flame-throwing system was first mounted on the chassis of the T-72 battle tank and then – on the T-90 tank's chassis."


    "The main elements of the TOS system include a transport launch canister which contains an unguided rocket equipped with a warhead with a flamethrower-incendiary mixture. There is another option, with a thermobaric warhead which is related to the so-called vacuum ammunition," Murakhovsky said.

    He added that "the next stage of the development of this system stipulates increasing the range of fire and equipping the system with corrected projectiles which hit the target more accurately and effectively."

    According to him, the Tosochka flame-throwing system can be mounted on the sophisticated Armata tracked vehicle platform.

    "Also on the table is the option that one of the vehicles of the Armata family — a new generation of Russian armored vehicles — will also be used as a chassis for the new heavy flame-throwing system," Murakhovsky said.

    He noted that the heavy flame-throwing systems are widely used in the fight against terrorists.

    "For example, the Iraqi Armed Forces used them during the liberation of Mosul, and these systems were also seen in Syria," Murakhovsky concluded.

    The TOS-1A Solntsepyok, in turn, is an upgraded version of the TOS-1 Buratino heavy flame-throwing system which underwent its first combat tests in Afghanistan in 1988-1989.

    In his article for the National Interest last year, defense analyst Sebastien Roblin described the TOS-1 as one of "the most devastating explosive weapons short of tactical nuclear weapons."

    The current effective firing range of the TOS-1A system is about six kilometers. The new shell is expected to increase the new Tosochka flame-throwing system's range to ten kilometers, that is, by 40 percent. The improved range is expected to be achieved in part via a new fuel/explosive mixture inside the shell.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201707221055782339-russia-flamethrower-development-armata-platform/


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