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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:36 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Asf wrote:
    And here

    Wow, it has a ridiculous amount of capabilities...but unfortunately it'll probably cost at least $10,000 a piece even with the devalued Rouble. However if mass produced then the cost could go down by 2/3rds...but the real question remains, would the Ru ground forces want something like this?

    What does the Rouble rate have to do with its price?

    The cost of labor of manufacturing.

    To what extent the Russian labor rates follow the Rouble rate?

    Usually a highly valued currency makes the cost of paying for a manual laborer a lot more expensive, while a lowered valued currency makes manufacturing significantly cheaper. Hence the reason why Su-27, it's variants and derivatives are highly competitive on the export market. If the Su-35 was built in Europe or America, it would cost well over a $100 million like most overly priced NATO equipment, thankfully it's not. In fact if Russian export fighter jets are so highly competitive that if arms deals weren't so politically motivated, and everything was on a level playing field, the Su-27 variants would beat out any fighter from the West in arms competitions, easily by sheer cost-effectiveness alone.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:06 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Usually a highly valued currency makes the cost of paying for a manual laborer a lot more expensive, while a lowered valued currency makes manufacturing significantly cheaper. Hence the reason why Su-27, it's variants and derivatives are highly competitive on the export market. If the Su-35 was built in Europe or America, it would cost well over a $100 million like most overly priced NATO equipment, thankfully it's not. In fact if Russian export fighter jets are so highly competitive that if arms deals weren't so politically motivated, and everything was on a level playing field, the Su-27 variants would beat out any fighter from the West in arms competitions, easily by sheer cost-effectiveness alone.
    Couldn't agree more, in terms of bang for your buck the Ruskies got the West beat hands down, would be a different story if Lockheed had gotten permission to export (downgraded) F-22s, but that didn't happen. Twisted Evil

    On that note, when is the Pak-Fa expected to enter the export market??
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Zivo on Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:11 am

    It's an OP newb attachment.

    They might as well add an air-burst grenade capability and put it the next Call of Duty.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:21 am

    Good product but would cost a fortune. 1 way they can save money is skip out on the OLED display and go just for basic LCD display. OLED's cost a fortune. OLD is good for the fact they can handle more extreme temperatures, but there are other (much cheaper) methods to do similar for LCD. That will save a lot already.

    The Thermal optic can technically be the same used on the other Russian made Thermal Scopes being developed in Russia. UOMZ is really the only company in Russia who produces them so they can produce them quite cheaply since they will have a massive production already going for thermals. Sensors can be cheap beyond imagine, unless all sensors are made in Russia then prices may be high due to Russia's possible lower production rate. Most sensors used are Chinese these days. So that can be cheap. The rest are nothing special or nothing amazing.

    One method they can make this cheaper is coming with both the sniper variant, spotters variant (So spotter has their own) and units made for leutenants and the like. Get it in the hands of the soldiers en mass through it not only being a scope, but as a tool for various other units.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:08 am

    Check this out Very Happy russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08mq8clzHJY
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:08 am

    This would be an excellent piece of kit for scouts and recon units as well as snipers.

    I don't think its cost is really that important... initially it will be for specific users that would benefit from its capabilities the most... scouts, snipers, recon as well as special forces.

    The IFF system alone is awesome, let alone the GPS component that allows information and maps to be sent to other uses. Even recording the shot...

    This technology wont replace sniper training but will certainly make effective shooting easier with an electronic trigger it can be totally automatic.

    I suspect that this sight will likely be incorporated into Ratnik 2.

    Amazing.

    I'll take about 3 for evaluation purposes.

    In terms of civilian use perhaps they could be adapted so that users could carry something like a beacon that will allow a shooter to determine if the target they are aiming at is human or game.

    save a lot of accidents.

    640 x 480 pixels is very high resolution for a thermal sight this sight will have excellent optical performance.



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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  par far on Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:11 pm

    Viktor wrote:Check this out Very Happy russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08mq8clzHJY



    That is amazing, we can test it out against isis terrorists in Syria.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  par far on Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:59 pm

    Viktor wrote:Check this out Very Happy russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08mq8clzHJY


    What does it mean at 3:00, will it pull the trigger by itself?
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:36 pm

    Asf wrote:

    And here

    Hot damn.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:33 am

    par far wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Check this out Very Happy russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08mq8clzHJY


    What does it mean at 3:00, will it pull the trigger by itself?

    Yes. You just have to line it up and it will decide for itself when to take the shot.

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  par far on Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:37 am

    Quick question Viktor, do you know if this scope is ready for use or this still in development stages?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:41 am

    As I mentioned in post 80 above with a weapon with an electronic firing mechanism the scope can fire the weapon.

    Very simply unlike in video games when you are holding a real rifle looking down a scope that might have x12 zoom it is hard to hold still and the fact that you will be breathing and the target will be moving means making sure the trigger is pulled and the round is fired at exactly the right time when the crosshair is covering the target is a real skill.

    With the target being able to be selected and with electronic triggering system the sniper should be able to select a target and then pull the trigger. the bluetooth connection between the scope and the trigger will mean the rifle will not fire until the crosshair is on the selected targets head to assure a kill.

    Boy would I love that scope on a VS-121...

    Of course as cool as it would be you don't really want your enemies to get hold of that sort of thing either...


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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:23 am

    The only thing that still worries me is how Russia intends to prevent the personnel IFF from being compromised??

    Part of the system of Ratnik is supposed to monitor the health of the soldier... perhaps when they are killed their IFF system is reset until they can be reinstalled into the system...

    I am sure they will make sure it is difficult to compromise the system...

    I wish they made a video using real-world footage instead of just going with full CGI.

    It is a thermal sight... the cgi used would pretty much be very similar to what the user would see through that scope.

    I haven't had much time to think about this - but it's an exciting topic you must agree. There are many possibilities and it'd be interesting to see what the Russian military might go for - if they decide to go for an IFF system at all (IMO, it might just be more trouble than it's worth).

    I remember reading somewhere that the Israelis developed a system that interrogates the IFF of all aircraft... and tracks the location of the return signal. It didn't crack the code or give any information other than the presence of an enemy target.

    It meant that any enemy flight of planes could be interrogated and located by their reply signals.

    In other words they were using it to track the position of enemy aircraft based on their old model IFF systems.

    Just knowing where the enemy is is valuable...

    I am sure they will have thought of this. I suspect the IFF system does not reply unless it gets a valid signal.

    and also a Self-destruct order either from the soldier himself/his nearby officer or even a Self-destruct signal from there local command( the nuclear option),

    Self destruct sounds a bit harsh... it could just log out and if someone tries to log in without the correct password it could simply delete its files and reset itself.


    Now these are some things that can be done on the battlefield, but what i am worried about is sum bastard sneaking into the facility and straight up stealing one, i guess the timed self destruct would take care of it unless they can replicate the "don't self-destruct" signal, maybe a glonass signal could also be used, lets say the module has left Russia's borders it detonates, it'll also detonate if it doesn't get the Glonass signal/positioning.

    So all the enemy has to do is hack into the system and set all the equipment and vehicles and people for self destruct.... Mad

    Like I said, all that's necessary to remove the risk from a compromised system is to change the codes, or change the data which the codes are being authenticated on. Doing either is a trivial matter with modern technology - you just establish an uplink to whatever satellite/command vehicle or whatever has this week's codes - and update; or alternatively take the memory card, put it into that sights' memory card slot and wait for it to update, then passing it along to the next soldier in your squad until the last man updates - at which point he destroys it.

    They all have bluetooth and wireless... no need to pass anything around...

    The same data connection they use to upload target locations (maps) and photos and videos can be used to update the software and change settings.

    Monitoring soldier vital signs could figure into such a system; in that as soon as a soldier's vitals drop to zero - or the sensors are disabled, taken off or damaged - the gear is automatically locked out of the grid so to speak, and won't auto-update anymore until manually reset at a command vehicle or some such.

    That would be a missed opportunity... lets be smart about this. A unit gets cornered and wiped out and its kit seems to be functioning and is accessing the network you can use the GLONASS sensors to locate the new users... mark them as suspect and put their electronics in a quarantine with restricted information so they think they are still part of the network... with an electronic trigger you can use their own scopes to prevent them firing on friendly forces and you can use simple questions... get them to photograph each other as proof of who they are with secret code words if they are under duress... then you can decide whether to send support or a clean up crew.

    As a grunt I would use fricking wristbands like today, but I would hope that they are barelly(but still) vissible in thermal

    With Ratnik every soldier will have some sort of comms system so it might as well have an IFF function. Obviously transmitting all the time will give away your position to a sophisticated enemy but a sophisticated enemy will likely detect you anyway.

    This is not anything amazing indeed, but with every soldier being equipped with something like this would be revolutionary outside of special forces.

    the number of laser guided weapons in Russian service that 3.5km range laser range finder would be very interesting and could be used by scouts to add a large range of targets to local maps... the data can be uploaded to friendly forces in the vicinity which means instead of having a blank map showing only targets you can see it will be populated with both friendly and enemy targets in the area... much more useful.


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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:07 pm

    This is the youtube channel of the manufacturer (IWT) where all the presentation videos can be found. Some are in English language.

    http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFZfKGxvq3bHRXQzc02Kmw/videos

    The latest video with the MINI sight is interesting.


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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  par far on Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:03 pm

    Does this system work in urban areas. The video shows it is mostly used in jungle settings.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:08 am

    I don't see why it would not work in an urban environment.

    the laser rangefinder and glonass mapping system and thermal sight should all work in an urban setting and the ballistics system should work fine too.

    I especially like the way you can zero the scope with just one shot...


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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:12 pm

    Thanks for the post George1.

    To bad they did not give specific information for GOES-342/451 of MWIR/LWIR, resolution, FOV, Laser range finder/designator wavelength and so on.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:42 pm

    Holding “Schwabe” Developed Collimator Sight Having No Analogues in Russia

    Holding “Schwabe”, part of the state corporation “Rostec” completed the development of a new collimator sight, which has no analogues in Russia, the press service of the company reports.

    “Engineers have developed an ultra-light sight aiming to improve the speed of holding and accuracy with a hunting weapon at various targets, including the fast-moving,” was said in a statement received by the “Interfax-AVN” on Tuesday.

    It notes that the distinctive features of the new development are extremely light weight – about 60 grams, the ability to work without batteries, as well as increased attachment to shotguns.

    The power supply of a sight is provided by a special fiber node located on the upper face of a base which converts the light into red, thus flashing the aiming scale.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:01 am

    Do they sell in roubles?

    I'll take ten....


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    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:11 am

    Shvabe Develops New Compact Night Sights

    Russia’s Shvabe, a part of the Rostec State Corporation, has presented new compact night sights with lenses characterized by 3x and 5x magnification. Both models have a metal housing and are designed for monitoring terrain and firing hunting weapons under the conditions of natural night illumination and at temperatures ranging from -40 to +40 °C.

    As compared to previous versions, the new sights are fitted with a modernized electro-optical converter of the third generation capable of adjusting the screen brightness that can be used by a hunter to regulate the image brightness, depending on the illumination, contrast and background.

    In addition, the new sights are characterized by objective lens adjustment from 10 meters to infinity and 35 meters to infinity. This option makes it possible to set a clear and sharp image of the object depending on the distance.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:33 am

    The intelligence units of the AOC received the latest thermal imaging cameras TNP-1
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    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:43 am

    “Schwabe” Developed Innovative Scheme for Holographic Sight

    The basis of the new optical system is the multifunctional holographic optical element – a special reflective holographic diffraction grating recorded on a concave spherical surface. It serves as the collimator and compensator of chromatic aberration for hologram generator of aiming mark.

    “The study of the layout of the holographic sight showed that innovative optical system “Schwabe” is competitive and not inferior in performance to all currently known Russian and foreign analogues. Unique technology will not only increase the reliability of the sight, but also reduce the weight by using fewer components, allowing the product to compare favorably against competitors. In addition, during the creation of holographic optical elements of the system we have been used exclusively domestic materials and technologies,” the Deputy General Director of JSC “Schwabe” R&D and innovation development Nikolai Rakovich said.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:43 pm

    "Schwabe" has launched a series of new sight

    Holding "Schwabe" belongs to the state corporation Rostec, launched into production collimator sight of open type, which can be mounted on shotguns, the press service of the company. РИА Новости http://ria.ru/economy/20150311/1051818330.html#ixzz3U7FMWAC7 wrote:

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