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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:19 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

    Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



    https://barrett.net/optics/bors


    Does Russia have something like that?

    Yes Twisted Evil


    no


    its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

    Actually those aren't apples and oranges. They're two products that do the same thing, the problem with the BORS is that the whole input you'd do with a ballistic calculator is unchanged and you do have to actually punch numbers preprogrammed. While with the IWT, you do not, because the GPS and telemeter are actually automated and integrated. Basically is the TrackingPoint Accufire/Xact scope with auto tracker and Thermal Vision. The BORS is a day sight and it needs a very complex mental suite to be useful, you have to actually do point match prior to enter the target size value, for which you first need to point match distance and then let the weather station (very crude) determine part of the hold (that you will need then to actually screw on the optic). But before you do that...you need to zero the ammo and scope. Nothing strange with it, until you need to re-zero between shots, because the tilt sensor bust a nut. And even BORS 2.0 can't compensate the windage.

    So basically the BORS is an intermediate system from Manual calculation to Fully automated targeting.


    by compering apples to oranges i mean you compare 8 year old not weapon but "technology" with a product that is only about to go in to production, overall of course BORS is worse in everything compared to this new candy sugar apple pie

    Ooh, that's what you meant, then yes they are indeed apples and oranges, although the answer is still Yes to "par far".
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:54 am

    The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

    In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.


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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  x_54_u43 on Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:03 am

    GarryB wrote:The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

    In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.

    "ability to detect active IR sources"

    Could you please elaborate? I would like to feature that in my threads.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:05 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

    In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.

    "ability to detect active IR sources"

    Could you please elaborate? I would like to feature that in my threads.

    Fo Rear, you not know about it?

    IR-detection cell has been dropped since USSR broke. You can id a PSO-1/1M by checking for a switch on the left side of the sight. That used IR low light system to detect IR sources.

    You'd turn the switch on and the scope becomes greenish and the IR source at over 400m would stick out as a white circle.

    BTW ALLAH pointed me to this source for Soviet Scope ID.

    http://cccpcamera.photo-web.cc/RussianCamera/Kaisetsu/FACTORY/FACTORY.html

    symbols of different Zavods.

    BTW 2: PSO-1 full article.

    http://www.dragunov.net/optic_pso1.html
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  x_54_u43 on Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:29 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    x_54_u43 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

    In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.

    "ability to detect active IR sources"

    Could you please elaborate? I would like to feature that in my threads.

    Fo Rear, you not know about it?

    IR-detection cell has been dropped since USSR broke. You can id a PSO-1/1M by checking for a switch on the left side of the sight. That used IR low light system to detect IR sources.

    You'd turn the switch on and the scope becomes greenish and the IR source at over 400m would stick out as a white circle.

    BTW ALLAH pointed me to this source for Soviet Scope ID.

    http://cccpcamera.photo-web.cc/RussianCamera/Kaisetsu/FACTORY/FACTORY.html

    symbols of different Zavods.

    BTW 2: PSO-1 full article.

    http://www.dragunov.net/optic_pso1.html

    Much appreciated Kotemore, although I am curious to where you got those sources, I do not believe you when you say that you received the site from the Islamic deity.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:34 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    x_54_u43 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

    In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.

    "ability to detect active IR sources"

    Could you please elaborate? I would like to feature that in my threads.

    Fo Rear, you not know about it?

    IR-detection cell has been dropped since USSR broke. You can id a PSO-1/1M by checking for a switch on the left side of the sight. That used IR low light system to detect IR sources.

    You'd turn the switch on and the scope becomes greenish and the IR source at over 400m would stick out as a white circle.

    BTW ALLAH pointed me to this source for Soviet Scope ID.

    http://cccpcamera.photo-web.cc/RussianCamera/Kaisetsu/FACTORY/FACTORY.html

    symbols of different Zavods.

    BTW 2: PSO-1 full article.

    http://www.dragunov.net/optic_pso1.html

    Much appreciated Kotemore, although I am curious to where you got those sources, I do not believe you when you say that you received the site from the Islamic deity.

    Wallahi billahi you miscreants never believe anything:lol: . Small arms has been a guilty pleasure since about 10 years ago. So I know a bit about them. I know about these sites pretty much since they were created under various guises Dragnet, Tantal, Repro.be etc.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Militarov on Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:36 am

    "The development of fifth-generation night-vision devices will cost 500 million rubles ($7.5 million), Katod Enterprise Director for Special Projects Alexei Yenin told TASS on Tuesday. Night-vision devices should be developed within the next five years, he added. "The problem we face today relates to an electron-sensitive matrix, i.e. a component Russia has not produced yet but is currently developing. As soon as this problem is resolved, such a device will be developed," Yenin said. According to him, new-generation night-vision devices can be launched into production within two-three years, if the electron-sensitive matrix is developed.

    Preliminary estimates show that the project will cost 500 million rubles, the executive said. "I think that we will have to resolve this problem within the next five years in any case; otherwise we will lag behind our rivals considerably," Yenin said. As it was reported earlier, the Katod Enterprise is planning to start producing fourth-generation electro-optical image converters and night-vision devices on their basis within the next two years.

    Fifth-generation devices have an absolutely different design and it is far more difficult to organize their production. As of today, third-generation night-vision devices are the most advanced and efficient systems. Only three companies in the world have managed to organize their serial production, with two of them in the United States and one, i.e. the Katod Enterprise, in Russia.

    Last year, the Katod Enterprise increased the output of electro-optical image converters by 50%, Yenin said, without specifying the exact figures."


    Source: http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_to_spend_$75_million_on_developing_fifth-generation_night-vision_devices_tass_31304162.html
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:31 am

    Militarov wrote:"The development of fifth-generation night-vision devices will cost 500 million rubles ($7.5 million), Katod Enterprise Director for Special Projects Alexei Yenin told TASS on Tuesday. Night-vision devices should be developed within the next five years, he added. "The problem we face today relates to an electron-sensitive matrix, i.e. a component Russia has not produced yet but is currently developing. As soon as this problem is resolved, such a device will be developed," Yenin said. According to him, new-generation night-vision devices can be launched into production within two-three years, if the electron-sensitive matrix is developed.

    Preliminary estimates show that the project will cost 500 million rubles, the executive said. "I think that we will have to resolve this problem within the next five years in any case; otherwise we will lag behind our rivals considerably," Yenin said. As it was reported earlier, the Katod Enterprise is planning to start producing fourth-generation electro-optical image converters and night-vision devices on their basis within the next two years.

    Fifth-generation devices have an absolutely different design and it is far more difficult to organize their production. As of today, third-generation night-vision devices are the most advanced and efficient systems. Only three companies in the world have managed to organize their serial production, with two of them in the United States and one, i.e. the Katod Enterprise, in Russia.

    Last year, the Katod Enterprise increased the output of electro-optical image converters by 50%, Yenin said, without specifying the exact figures."


    Source: http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_to_spend_$75_million_on_developing_fifth-generation_night-vision_devices_tass_31304162.html

    Haha mother******* leeches.

    Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

    http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

    Sometimes you just fucking ask yourself...why?
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Militarov on Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:32 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"The development of fifth-generation night-vision devices will cost 500 million rubles ($7.5 million), Katod Enterprise Director for Special Projects Alexei Yenin told TASS on Tuesday. Night-vision devices should be developed within the next five years, he added. "The problem we face today relates to an electron-sensitive matrix, i.e. a component Russia has not produced yet but is currently developing. As soon as this problem is resolved, such a device will be developed," Yenin said. According to him, new-generation night-vision devices can be launched into production within two-three years, if the electron-sensitive matrix is developed.

    Preliminary estimates show that the project will cost 500 million rubles, the executive said. "I think that we will have to resolve this problem within the next five years in any case; otherwise we will lag behind our rivals considerably," Yenin said. As it was reported earlier, the Katod Enterprise is planning to start producing fourth-generation electro-optical image converters and night-vision devices on their basis within the next two years.

    Fifth-generation devices have an absolutely different design and it is far more difficult to organize their production. As of today, third-generation night-vision devices are the most advanced and efficient systems. Only three companies in the world have managed to organize their serial production, with two of them in the United States and one, i.e. the Katod Enterprise, in Russia.

    Last year, the Katod Enterprise increased the output of electro-optical image converters by 50%, Yenin said, without specifying the exact figures."


    Source: http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_to_spend_$75_million_on_developing_fifth-generation_night-vision_devices_tass_31304162.html

    Haha mother******* leeches.

    Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

    http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

    Sometimes you just fucking ask yourself...why?

    By 2020. Russians will end up with 10ish Western types of sights and 20ish own and Belarussian in service on various scales. Fkn mess.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:35 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"The development of fifth-generation night-vision devices will cost 500 million rubles ($7.5 million), Katod Enterprise Director for Special Projects Alexei Yenin told TASS on Tuesday. Night-vision devices should be developed within the next five years, he added. "The problem we face today relates to an electron-sensitive matrix, i.e. a component Russia has not produced yet but is currently developing. As soon as this problem is resolved, such a device will be developed," Yenin said. According to him, new-generation night-vision devices can be launched into production within two-three years, if the electron-sensitive matrix is developed.

    Preliminary estimates show that the project will cost 500 million rubles, the executive said. "I think that we will have to resolve this problem within the next five years in any case; otherwise we will lag behind our rivals considerably," Yenin said. As it was reported earlier, the Katod Enterprise is planning to start producing fourth-generation electro-optical image converters and night-vision devices on their basis within the next two years.

    Fifth-generation devices have an absolutely different design and it is far more difficult to organize their production. As of today, third-generation night-vision devices are the most advanced and efficient systems. Only three companies in the world have managed to organize their serial production, with two of them in the United States and one, i.e. the Katod Enterprise, in Russia.

    Last year, the Katod Enterprise increased the output of electro-optical image converters by 50%, Yenin said, without specifying the exact figures."


    Source: http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_to_spend_$75_million_on_developing_fifth-generation_night-vision_devices_tass_31304162.html

    Haha mother******* leeches.

    Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

    http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

    Sometimes you just fucking ask yourself...why?

    By 2020. Russians will end up with 10ish Western types of sights and 20ish own and Belarussian in service on various scales. Fkn mess.

    Yeah one of those things that actually underscore the corruption level that still thrives. And no joke look at their devices in Syria and Ukraine.

    Frightening telltale of some of the surviving messes from transition era.


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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Mr_Blob on Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:33 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Haha mother******* leeches.

    Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

    http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

    Are you sure that product is not based upon an imported microbolometer however ? I am thinking about VOx Ulis matrices
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:42 pm

    I don't get it. Russia makes its own microbolometers and matrices. They are saying they don't? NPO Orion makes them, so does others. X-58 on this forums posted about it.

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    Post  Mr_Blob on Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:54 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I don't get it. Russia makes its own microbolometers and matrices. They are saying they don't? NPO Orion makes them, so does others. X-58 on this forums posted about it.
    I could only find cooled HgCdTe sensor in the 8-12micron band on orion webpage. No uncooled microbolometer whatsoever, nor any 640*480 sensor; pitch size is also very different from Kotemore's glasses. This is why I am asking. Of course one could always say they are not branding those, but I would prefer to be sure and have someone knowledgeable tell us
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:03 pm

    Hmm, so Orion only makes cooled Microbolometers? Cause I know they are making the thermal imagers to replace the French thermals made in Russia. But these are for armored units. I seriously thought it was uncooled.

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    Post  Mr_Blob on Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:11 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Hmm, so Orion only makes cooled Microbolometers? Cause I know they are making the thermal imagers to replace the French thermals made in Russia. But these are for armored units. I seriously thought it was uncooled.
    The Catherine cameras on T-90s are based on a Sofradir HgCdTe sensor and indeed those are cooled. Uncooled cameras are of course lighter (not having the big cryostat to carry) but also worse at detecting hot objects.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:20 pm

    I am not knowledgeable on this tech, but is there any way they can reduce the matrix so it doesn't require the cooling? Since Armata uses what Orion makes.
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:23 pm

    Just a note, schvab is the owner of NPO Orion and the only maker of microbolometers in Russia, I think. I'll check when I get back home.

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    Post  Mr_Blob on Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:38 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I am not knowledgeable on this tech, but is there any way they can reduce the matrix so it doesn't require the cooling? Since Armata uses what Orion makes.
    I am no more knowledgeable than you are Very Happy I guess you would get way too much noise on that kind of sensor without cooling it.
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Militarov on Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:41 pm

    Mr_Blob wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I am not knowledgeable on this tech, but is there any way they can reduce the matrix so it doesn't require the cooling? Since Armata uses what Orion makes.
    I am no more knowledgeable than you are Very Happy I guess you would get way too much noise on that kind of sensor without cooling it.

    Cooled sensors are prefered on "machinery" as its not an issue for vehicles to have slight increase in size and weight or power. Uncooled variants are prefered on soldier or light equipment.

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    Post  Mr_Blob on Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:55 pm

    Militarov wrote:
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    sepheronx wrote:I am not knowledgeable on this tech, but is there any way they can reduce the matrix so it doesn't require the cooling? Since Armata uses what Orion makes.
    I am no more knowledgeable than you are Very Happy I guess you would get way too much noise on that kind of sensor without cooling it.

    Cooled sensors are prefered on "machinery" as its not an issue for vehicles to have slight increase in size and weight or power. Uncooled variants are prefered on soldier or light equipment.
    That's how I understood it too(hence the cryostat comment). However my question is still pending. Aren't we a bit easy going when saying that corruption is responsible for the lack of IR goggles in the russian army. I am having the impression that IWT acted as an integrator using whatever ITAR free sensor. Given the current political situation, that product is a no-go for the russian army
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:03 pm

    But if Russia already makes the sensors via NPO Orion, wouldn't it make sense to then somehow reduce the need for it to be cooled in order to use them in other purposes?
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:05 pm

    Mr_Blob wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Haha mother******* leeches.

    Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

    http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

    Are you sure that product is not based upon an imported microbolometer however ? I am thinking about VOx Ulis matrices

    Which might well be the case, however IWT still markets it AND they have given quotes for it to Indonesia (brace for it, ~4000USD per set). Sooo...
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Militarov on Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:13 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Mr_Blob wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Haha mother******* leeches.

    Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

    http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

    Are you sure that product is not based upon an imported microbolometer however ? I am thinking about VOx Ulis matrices

    Which might well be the case, however IWT still markets it AND they have given quotes for it to Indonesia (brace for it, ~4000USD per set). Sooo...

    It is the case i belive. However you know how it works, if IWT sends documentation about signed contract with Indonesia and they get materials, if Russia decides to buy 5.000 for domestic use, they just say: "lol you are under sanctions".

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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  Mr_Blob on Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:13 pm

    sepheronx wrote:But if Russia already makes the sensors via NPO Orion, wouldn't it make sense to then somehow reduce the need for it to be cooled in order to use them in other purposes?
    Well the orion sensors are supposed to work at 40~80 K. You are proposing to increase that to room temperature in order to dump the cryostat. I seriously doubt this is achievable with the HgCdTe semicos. You will have to set another line for those uncooled sensors (VOx, Amorphous Si, whatever...). And of course that's hard and not really cheap for a market that might be fairly competitive when not considering ITAR restrictions
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    Re: Russian made Scopes and Optics

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:23 pm

    well microbolometer.ru talks of it, and of course theirs are SOFRADIR microbolometers: https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=http://microbolometer.ru/catalog/2-ir-sensors.html

    Question is though, if they are made in Russia under license (for example, the T-90 thermals uses the Sofradir and it is apparently made in Russa), couldn't they use it for other applications?

    Well, due to sanctions, Russia has nowhere else to go but for themselves in terms of purchasing the microbolometers. So in this case, they have no choice but to develop it. Rostec owns Schvab and Orion, so it is more or less the ones who will make it (since they are making all the other imagers as well. Orion is making a new one for space that was posted recently and they are the ones making the thermal imagers for Armata) and since Schvab deals with military scopes and what not as well.........


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