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    Zhukov Military Command Academy of Air Defense

    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:18 pm

    For the past several years much has been said about closing of The Zhukov Military Command Academy of Air Defense in Tver that was in charge of training of PVO troops (and foreign)

    and research centre for studying problems of operational art and tactics as well as command, communications and control (C3) on air defense matters. 

    Well now that problem has beeen settled. Sergej Soigu decaded that Academy will remaine open and its funds greatly increased. 



    Academy troops EKR Tver receive dopfinansirovanie


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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  zg18 on Tue May 27, 2014 9:42 pm

    Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg
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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  medo on Tue May 27, 2014 9:49 pm

    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    This is something new. On launcher are not missiles, but mass gabarites. Considering position of launcher, missiles will be most probably vertically launched. Maybe it have something to do with Morphei (for testing components).
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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue May 27, 2014 9:49 pm

    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    The missile tubes look rather small, Morfey perhaps?

    Edit: Medo came to the same conclusion as me.
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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed May 28, 2014 5:52 am

    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    I would say we have four mass replicas of S-300/S-400 standard-size missiles on a launcher that is behind the vehicle in the foreground, with the front vehicle (the one in the foreground) obscuring most of the launcher.
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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  Viktor on Wed May 28, 2014 2:24 pm

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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  medo on Wed May 28, 2014 5:42 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    I would say we have four mass replicas of S-300/S-400 standard-size missiles on a launcher that is behind the vehicle in the foreground, with the front vehicle (the one in the foreground) obscuring most of the launcher.

    If there is a vehicle behind, we should see at least wheels and shadow of it, which should be between front vehicle and the group of people. This one is interesting, because it is not standard S-300 launcher and also not an engagement radar vehicle, but have different elements covered by cover. Specially operators container covered behind is mysterious. Maybe it is photoshoped, but still, those components on one vehicles are not usual for S-300 or S-400 and they are covered. This is something new for tests.
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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed May 28, 2014 6:28 pm

    medo wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    I would say we have four mass replicas of S-300/S-400 standard-size missiles on a launcher that is behind the vehicle in the foreground, with the front vehicle (the one in the foreground) obscuring most of the launcher.

    If there is a vehicle behind, we should see at least wheels and shadow of it, which should be between front vehicle and the group of people. This one is interesting, because it is not standard S-300 launcher and also not an engagement radar vehicle, but have different elements covered by cover. Specially operators container covered behind is mysterious. Maybe it is photoshoped, but still, those components on one vehicles are not usual for S-300 or S-400 and they are covered. This is something new for tests.

    May'be a hybrid SAM, a prototype that both fulfills duties of long-to medium range, and SHORAD something like a S-300/S-400 variant with a extended trailer for a Morfey or a Tor missile launcher, a possible evolutionary path of advanced IAD. The philosophy of Russian IAD tactics is to have advanced, reliable, cost-effective, and ever evolving/progressing SAM and IAD tactics. Russian MOD doesn't like to stay complacent when it comes to future aerial threats and aerospace defense, and I honestly think hybrid SAM's will pave the way for the future allowing more flexibility for future advanced Russian SAM's.
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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed May 28, 2014 10:27 pm

    medo wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    I would say we have four mass replicas of S-300/S-400 standard-size missiles on a launcher that is behind the vehicle in the foreground, with the front vehicle (the one in the foreground) obscuring most of the launcher.

    If there is a vehicle behind, we should see at least wheels and shadow of it, which should be between front vehicle and the group of people. This one is interesting, because it is not standard S-300 launcher and also not an engagement radar vehicle, but have different elements covered by cover. Specially operators container covered behind is mysterious. Maybe it is photoshoped, but still, those components on one vehicles are not usual for S-300 or S-400 and they are covered. This is something new for tests.

    Vide supra.
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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed May 28, 2014 10:28 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    medo wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    I would say we have four mass replicas of S-300/S-400 standard-size missiles on a launcher that is behind the vehicle in the foreground, with the front vehicle (the one in the foreground) obscuring most of the launcher.

    If there is a vehicle behind, we should see at least wheels and shadow of it, which should be between front vehicle and the group of people. This one is interesting, because it is not standard S-300 launcher and also not an engagement radar vehicle, but have different elements covered by cover. Specially operators container covered behind is mysterious. Maybe it is photoshoped, but still, those components on one vehicles are not usual for S-300 or S-400 and they are covered. This is something new for tests.

    May'be a hybrid SAM, a prototype that both fulfills duties of long-to medium range, and SHORAD something like a S-300/S-400 variant with a extended trailer for a Morfey or a Tor missile launcher, a possible evolutionary path of advanced IAD. The philosophy of Russian IAD tactics is to have advanced, reliable, cost-effective, and ever evolving/progressing SAM and IAD tactics. Russian MOD doesn't like to stay complacent when it comes to future aerial threats and aerospace defense, and I honestly think hybrid SAM's will pave the way for the future allowing more flexibility for future advanced Russian SAM's.

    Which one of the two vehicles in the picture are you referring to?
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    Not sure where to put image , so opted here

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:56 pm

    zg18 wrote:Not sure where to put image , so opted here



    New Air defense system at Obukhovsky plant , St. Petersburg

    Video footage:


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    Difference between S-300VM and S-300PMU-1

    Post  ahate2 on Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:41 pm

    Hello there

    I have a question to ask about S-300 missile defense system. Among S-300 missile family (S-300V, S-300P, and S300F), which one is more powerful. Previously, Russian government scraped the deal to sell S-300PMU-1 missile system. Recently, Russian government agreed to sell S-300VM "Antey-2500." I would like to know what is the difference between these two systems in terms of capability, such that they want to sell S-300VM in stead of S-300PMU-1 missile system.
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    Russian SAMs

    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:18 am

    The S-300F is the naval version of S-300P which is the air force model. S-300F is used by the navy.

    S-300V is the armies version of the S-300 SAM and is primarily designed as the upper self defence SAM to protect large units in the field. Because of this is it able to deal with cruise and ballistic missiles and air targets but is largely based on tracked vehicles that can pretty much go most places a tank can go.

    In terms of performance the S-300PMU-1 and S-300VM are pretty similar...


    The PMU battery can engage up to 6 targets at once with up to 12 missiles with aerodynamic targets from 5km to 150km in range and 10m to 27km altitude. Crossing range engagement capability is 149km.

    Against ballistic targets range is 5-40km and altitude is 2-25km with a target speed up to 2,800m/s or 2.8km/s which equates to a sea level flight speed of mach 8.75.

    For the VM system performance for aerodynamic targets is up to 200km and ballistic targets up to 40km, while altitudes are 25m to 30km in altitude for aerodynamic targets and up to 30km for ballistic targets.

    the max speed of a ballistic missile target is 4.5km/s which equates to about mach 14.

    The VM system is also harder to overwhelm with numbers as it is able to handle 24 aircraft or 16 ballistic threats at one time.

    Personally I think it would be a much better system for Iran... especially if Iran buys the licence production rights for the missiles and makes some serious numbers of missiles.

    A purchase of Pantsir-S1 and or TOR to support them would be important too.... but licence production of missiles would mean attempts to overwhelm them would fail and also that any enemy building up numbers for an attack would need much greater force sizes which would be easier to spot before the attack... which would make Iran safer.


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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  max steel on Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:36 pm

    Any update on anti-aircraft missile complex short-range "Morpheus". It is expected that the new system will go to the Russian Air Force in 2015 ?
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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  Viktor on Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:49 pm

    I have been told almost 2 years ago now (Militarov will know) that there are certain problems with Morfei and that delays are expected because of it.no word about it for some time now but that is expected from top noch system that will have great impact on the modern battlefield and is first in its class.
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    Any update on anti-aircraft missile complex short-range "Morpheus". It is expected that the new system will go to the Russian Air Force in 2015 ?

    Post  Militarov on Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:11 am

    Viktor wrote:I have been told almost 2 years ago now (Militarov will know) that there are certain problems with Morfei and that delays are expected because of it.no word about it for some time now but that is expected from top noch system that will have great impact on the modern battlefield and is first in its class.

    Yeah problems where reported with it, i belive i saw somewhere its pushed for 2018. now, but i guess it will come around.

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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:55 pm

    what ever happened to the Ultra Short range missile under development that was similar to Iron Dome in concept , suddenly there is no news there ?
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    Re: PVO SAMs: Types, Comparisons, Questions

    Post  franco on Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:30 pm

    Austin wrote:what ever happened to the Ultra Short range missile under development that was similar to Iron Dome in concept , suddenly there is no news there ?

    Read last year there were development problems. What I don't know.
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    what ever happened to the Ultra Short range missile under development that was similar to Iron Dome in concept , suddenly there is no news there ?

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:23 am

    what ever happened to the Ultra Short range missile under development that was similar to Iron Dome in concept , suddenly there is no news there ?

    You mean Morfei? 9M100?

    Well I remember in the late 1980s the Mi28 was revealed at foreign airshows, but the Ka-50 was kept secret... mainly because the Ka-50 was accepted for service and the Mi-28 was not.

    Silence can mean problems with development or they can mean they are not prepared to export them any time soon so they don't reveal any information about them to the public.



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    I wouldn't worry about Morfei.

    Post  eridan on Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:42 pm

    I wouldn't worry about Morfei. It's role is sound and should be fulfilled. Sometime missile development just lasts years longer than initially thought. Case in point - long range S400 missiles which lagged years after initial S400 was deployed.

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