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    mwanamwale

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    Su-30MK2 vs F-5EM

    Post  mwanamwale on Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:26 pm

    Uganda bought 6 SU 30mk2s the potential advesery they could face is the F5EM that are owned by Kenya. If this two jets were to meet in combat which do you think would prevail and why? That discusion has already begun here. eastafrican.userboard.net/t34p120-air-superiority-stealth-fighter-jets
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    Re: Su-30MK2 vs F-5EM

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:32 pm

    I never knew uganda had the money to buy multiple world class jets costing 10s of $millions$ to my knowledge they are having problems feeding their own people and paramilitary rebel groups

    I mean Bulgaria which has more wealth than most african countries doesnt even have money to buy a few much cheaper gripens or second hand F-16s.

    As for who would win if youre talking about a version of the F-5 tiger that means a 3-3+ gen fighter vs a 4+ gen its pretty definitave who would win even if the Su-30 uses downgraded munitions.

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    Re: Su-30MK2 vs F-5EM

    Post  TR1 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:30 pm

    F-5 would be slaughtered as it inferior in every sense.

    It is quite an agile little fighter though.
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    Re: Su-30MK2 vs F-5EM

    Post  SOC on Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:09 pm

    TR1 wrote:F-5 would be slaughtered as it inferior in every sense.

    Not necessarily. The F-5E is the same plane USAF/USN Aggressor units used to embarrass (read: "train") F-14, F-15, F-16, and F-18 pilots. This is why these kind of arguments are entirely unrealistic when you only examine the public specifications of each system. Pilot training and experience can be and often is the most important factor deciding who wins an A/A engagement.

    I don't care if the FLANKER is the purest air combat airframe ever designed (it is), if you put an idiot in the cockpit he'll find a way to either shoot himself down, get shot down, or crash. Even someone with a good number of fighter hours but who is a newly trained FLANKER convert would be at a comparative disadvantage without any experience in the airframe if he's facing someone who has been flying the FLANKER for years. This is partly why the cockpits of the 4th Generation Soviet fighters pretty much mirrored those of the 3rd Generation: it made it far easier to convert without having to learn an entirely new layout. It's easier now with craploads of MFDs, but the point remains.

    On a related note out of curiosity, what AAMs are the Kenyan F-5EMs carrying these days?
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    Re: Su-30MK2 vs F-5EM

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:34 am

    Certainly pilot training would be a significant factor, but weapons would also be fairly important too.

    An F-5 armed only with Sidewinders against a Flanker with RVV-MD and RVV-SD with helmet mounted sights.

    There is only so much training can help compensate for not having the best plane...

    If it is plane vs plane then I would say the Flanker wins hands down.


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    Re: Su-30MK2 vs F-5EM

    Post  medo on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:38 pm

    Numbers are also important factor. Uganda have only 6 Su-30 planes. How many F-5EM Kenya have?
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    Re: Su-30MK2 vs F-5EM

    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:12 pm


    Su-30 has many advantages that greatly affects any air to air engagement ,

    Longer ait-air missiles ranges, higher aircraft speed ( this increase the range of the missile at high altitudes ) , better scanning and targeting radar and better range ,so a Su-30 with apilot that know what he has to do is enough to defeat F-5.
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    Re: Su-30MK2 vs F-5EM

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:58 am

    Numbers are also important factor. Uganda have only 6 Su-30 planes. How many F-5EM Kenya have?

    Numbers certainly are a factor, but an Su-30 has both the speed and range to choose when to fight and when to leave the fight.


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    Su-30MK2 vs F-5EM

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:06 pm

    Are there plans to build and put this funky looking trainer in service? Its supposed to be supersonic unlike the yak-130 so this would be a better and more versatile light attack aircraft.

    My best guess is that in the future the yak-130 will be the main army trainer while the S-57 will be the naval one. Is that plausible?

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