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    Verba/Gibka on TIGR

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:30 pm

    For a light cheap air defence vehicle I prefer the SOSNA-R towed setup with an EO ball turret with a quad launcher for high speed SOSNA laser beam riding missiles with a range of 10km and a single twin barrel 30mm 2A38M cannon (one of the two guns from a Tunguska).

    Put that on an 8 wheel vehicle and it would be cheap but quite effective.
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:15 am

    New SPAD system being developed with 57mm AA;

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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  Isos on Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:56 pm

    I've seen a system of some igla S mounted on a teleoperated system on a light vehicle. Not the bipod with a man seating and operating it but a better on with IR cameras. Does anyone have information about it ?
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    Igla-S mounted on a teleoperated system

    Post  Militarov on Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:20 pm

    Isos wrote:I've seen a system of some igla S mounted on a teleoperated system on a light vehicle. Not the bipod with a man seating and operating it but a better on with IR cameras. Does anyone have information about it ?

    Gibka variant on Tigr?

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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  Benya on Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:38 am

    New Russian Gibka-S air defense missile system ready for preliminary trials.

    The new Russian advanced Gibka-S air defense missile system is being prepared for preliminary trials, General Designer of Russia’s Machine-Building Design Bureau Valery Kashin told TASS. The system is based on a 4x4 light tactical vehicle Tigr fitted with an Igla-S or 9K333 Verba surface-to-air missiles launch station.


    Russian-made Gibka-S is based on a Tigr 4x4 light tactical vehicle armed with four ready to launch Igla-S or 9K333 Verba surface-to-air missiles

    "In accordance with the Defense Ministry’s technical specifications, we are developing the Gibka-S system based on the Tigr light platform. We are carrying out the work in cooperation with our subcontractors on our own initiative," Kashin said.

    "The system is currently being prepared for preliminary trials. It has been manufactured and is being adjusted now. We hope that its preliminary trials will be followed by the state tests and then the system will be accepted," he added.

    According to the general designer, the company is also discussing the development of another light short-range air defense missile system similar to the Strela-10 complex.

    "The talk is about the Ptitselov R&D work. If the task is assigned, we will seek to take part in the work," Kashin said.

    As the design bureau’s press office told TASS earlier, the Gibka-S system’s squad combat and reconnaissance-control vehicles are designed to defend combined-arms units from aircraft flying at low and extremely low altitudes both in the daytime and at night.

    The Gibka-S is based on the Russian-made Tigr 4x4 light tactical vehicle with four ready-to-launch 9K338 Igla-S (SA-24 'Grinch') or 9K333 Verba (Willow) surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), mounted on a launching station which can be lowered inside the vehicle in road position.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/new_russian_gibka-s_air_defense_system_ready_for_preliminary_trials_12401175.html



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    This would find great use at those superlight brigades, or at missile units (both Iskander brigades and RVSN (Strategic Missile Forces) units.)
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:12 pm

    Anti-aircraft missile system "Sosna"

    Placed by a colleague Alexei Khlopotov, a not-for-interest advertising video of JSC "KB Precision Engineering named. A. E. Nudelman "with the demonstration of a prototype of the long-term Sosna short-range anti-aircraft missile system with anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M340 "Sosna-R" with a laser beam guidance system. The fighting vehicle is made on the chassis of MT-LB.

    According to the official data of JSC "Design Bureau of Precision Engineering. A.E. Nudelman "complex, the" Pine "complex is designed to defeat virtually all air attack means, including WCO means such as cruise missiles and guided missiles, in the zone of responsibility: up to 10 km in range and 5 km in height.



    Basic principles of construction of the complex


    • deployment of missile armament with a launcher on one battle vehicle, target detection and tracking facilities, flight control systems in flight, united by a single optic-electronic control system (OESU) with armament;

    • the use of missile armament consisting of 12 high-speed high-precision Sosna-R missiles placed on the PU, a small mass of which determined the possibility of excluding the transport-loading machine from the complex;

    • application of the combat equipment of the missile defense system of the optimal configuration, which made it possible to sharply increase the effectiveness of the action by increasing the mass of spaced CUs and using a noncontact-contact laser fuse with a continuous circular radiation diagram with adaptive firing time;

    • application of a specially designed original multi-channel automatic high-precision, practically all-weather and all-weather ESOU;

    • Use of the combined missile control system - the radio command system at the launch site, after the engine is separated and the missile is taken out to the line of sight - teleorientation in the laser beam;

    • providing the possibility of detecting targets autonomously with the help of the ESIA with sectoral review and in the mode of obtaining automated target designation.


    The main advantages of the Sosna SAM system

    • High efficiency of combat use, including high-speed and low-flying targets, as well as helicopter jumping;

    • a high degree of automation of the combat process;

    • the ability to conduct combat operations at any time of the day and in difficult weather conditions;

    • the secrecy of the preparation process and high survivability;

    • No restriction on the minimum altitude of the flight of the target;

    • Insensitivity to radar and optical suppression techniques used by the enemy;

    • the ability to conduct firing in motion.


    Main characteristics

    Armament 12 pcs. ZUR "Pine-R"

    Mass of rocket in flight / in TPK, kg 30/42

    Caliber before and after splitting the rocket 130/72

    Maximum rocket speed, m / s 900

    Combined guidance system

    Zones of damage, km:

    on range up to 10,0
    on height up to 5,0

    Round the clock application is provided

    Time:

    reaction, from 5 to 8
    recharge, min 10,0

    Modes of operation are autonomous and with centralized control

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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  LMFS on Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:13 pm

    MOSCOW, August 15. / TASS /. "High-precision complexes" for the first time will show a new anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) "Sosna" at the forum "Army-2018". This was reported by TASS in the press service of the company.

    "A presentation of the newest Sosna SAM system will take place at the military-technical forum" Army-2018 ", the press service said.

    Also the company will present at the forum a new hunting carbine of the caliber of 9 mm, created on the basis of the sniper rifle for the special forces of the ARIA.

    The Sosna air defense missile system is designed to destroy air targets at ranges up to ten kilometers and at altitudes up to five kilometers. One combat vehicle is equipped with 12 Sosna-R guided missiles, in addition, it was reported about the development for the complex upgraded version of the Pine-M.

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5459575


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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:08 am

    Sosna air defense missile system in the exposition of the forum "Army-2018"

    On August 21, 2018, in the Patriot military patriotic park in Kubinka, the next International Military Technical Forum "Army-2018", among other things, JSC "Design Bureau of Precision Engineering named after A.E. Nodelman "(part of the JSC" NPO "High-Precision Complexes" of the State Corporation "Rostekh") for the first time publicly demonstrates the combat vehicle of the Sosna short-range anti-aircraft missile system with anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M340 Sosna-R with laser beam guidance system.


    The combat vehicle of the Sosna short-range anti-aircraft missile system with anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M340 Sosna-R with a laser beam guidance system in the prepared exposition of the International Military Technical Forum "Army-2018" in the Patriot Park. Kubinka (Moscow region), August 19, 1981 (with) Mikhail Zherdev

    According to official data of the KB Design Bureau of Precision Engineering A.E. Nudelman, the "Sosna" complex is designed to defeat virtually all air attack means, including weapons such as cruise missiles and guided missiles, in the zone of responsibility: up to 10 km in range and 5 km in height.

    THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMPLEX

    • deployment of missile armament with a launcher on one battle vehicle, target detection and tracking facilities, flight control systems in flight, united by a single optic-electronic control system (OESU) with armament;

    • the use of rocket armament consisting of 12 high-speed high-precision Sosna-R missiles placed on the PU, a small mass of which determined the possibility of excluding the transport-loading machine from the complex;

    • application of the combat equipment of the SAM of the optimal configuration, which made it possible to sharply increase the effectiveness of the action due to the increase in the mass of spaced CUs and the use of a noncontact-contact laser fuse with a continuous circular radiation diagram with adaptive firing time;

    • application of a specially designed original multi-channel automatic high-precision, practically all-weather and all-weather ESOU;

    • use of the combined missile control system - the radio command system on the launch site, after the engine is separated and the missile is taken out to the line of sight - teleorientation in the laser beam;

    • providing the possibility of detecting targets autonomously with the help of the ESIA with sectoral review and in the mode of obtaining automated target designation.


    MAIN ADVANTAGES OF SOSNA

    • high efficiency of combat use, including high-speed and low-flying targets, as well as helicopter jumping;

    • a high degree of automation of the combat process;

    • the ability to conduct combat operations at any time of the day and in difficult weather conditions;

    • the secrecy of the preparation process and high survivability;

    • No restriction on the minimum altitude of the flight of the target;

    • Insensitivity to radar and optical suppression techniques used by the enemy;

    • the ability to conduct firing in motion.


    The main characteristics of the complex:

    Armament - 12 pcs. "Sosna-R"
    Mass of rocket in flight / in TPK, kg - 30/42
    Caliber before and after splitting the rocket - 130/72
    Maximum speed of the rocket, m/s - 900
    Guidance system - combined
    Zones of damage, km:
    in range up to 10,0
    on height up to 5,0
    Round the clock application is provided
    Time:
    reactions, from 5 to 8
    recharge, min 10,0
    Modes of operation -autonomous and with centralized control





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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:14 pm

    Russian hi-tech firm showcases latest Sosna short-range air defense missile system

    The Sosna strikes targets within a range of 10 km and at an altitude of 5km

    KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, August 22. /TASS/. Russia’s state hi-tech corporation Rostec has demonstrated the first serial-produced version of the latest Sosna short-range air defense missile system at the Army-2018 international military and technical forum outside Moscow, the Rostec press office said on Wednesday.

    "The new mobile system has successfully passed state trials and is set to replace the Strela-10M air defense missile system in the Russian army," Rostec said.

    The Sosna strikes targets within a range of 10 km and at an altitude of 5km day and night. One combat vehicle carries 12 small-size Sosna-R surface-to-air missiles and is equipped with the high-precision electro-optical jam-proof control system. The Sosna is designated to protect battlefield troops from precision weapons and air reconnaissance means.

    "The missiles’ small weight and dimensions allow the air defense system to operate without a special transporter-loader. The system’s rotating part is designed as a combat compartment, which can be mounted on various transporting vehicles with a lifting capacity of over 3.5 tonnes," the Rostec press office said.

    The Sosna air defense missile system has been developed by the Nudelman Precision Design Bureau (part of High Precision Systems within the state hi-tech corporation Rostec).

    As was reported earlier, High Precision Systems completed the state trials of the Bagulnik air defense missile system in 2017. According to open sources, the Bagulnik is the combat module of the Sosna air defense missile system.

    Russian Army to get Sosna air defense missile systems soon

    The latest Sosna short-range air defense missile system will be delivered to the Russian troops in the immediate future, Head of the Nudelman Precision Design Bureau Vladimir Makeyev said at the system’s presentation at the Army-2018 international military and technical forum.

    "Preparations are underway for the system’s serial production. We hope that we will see it in the troops soon," he said.

    Sosna Chief Designer Vladimir Ukleyev said that the air defense missile system has a passive sight system, which ensures its concealment.

    The system’s new missile has a warhead weight of 7.2 kg and a strike range of up to 10km and can engage ground targets, he said.

    The Sosna can also deliver fire while on the move, he added. "During the trials, fire on the move was conducted at speeds of 25-30 km/h. A tank formation does not move at large speeds," the chief designer said.


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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  franco on Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:12 am

    More photos and information.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:59 pm

    https://vpk.name/news/225431_kompleks_pvo_sosna_smozhet_porazhat_i_nazemnyie_celi__razrabotchik.html

    Air defense complex "Sosna" will be able to hit ground targets - developer

    Kubinka (Moscow region) on August 22. INTERFAX-AVN - New anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) "Pine" will be able to fire not only on air but also at ground targets, told reporters on Wednesday the Deputy technical Director of design and production complex JSC "Kbtochmash named Nudelman" Vladimir Uchaev.

    "Tests carried out the shooting on the move at speeds of 25-30 miles per hour. The complex has the ability to fire at ground targets", - said V. Uleev.

    Earlier it was reported that SAM "Pine" is designed to engage virtually all means of air attack, including cruise and guided aircraft missiles at ranges up to 10 km and at altitudes of up to five km.

    The complex is equipped with 12 high precision anti-aircraft guided missiles "Sosna-R", developing a maximum speed of 900 metres per second.
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:39 am

    Looking at the stats of the missile the warhead is 2.5kgs heavier than on the original missile... warhead weight went from 5kgs to 7.5kgs... and flight range from 8km to 10km.

    Unlike the Strela-10, it has no IR seeker in its nose... which makes it much cheaper and harder to defeat...
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  LMFS on Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:39 pm

    Very interesting UAV interceptor apparently propelled by electric engine by Almaz-Antey...




    https://el-temif-1.livejournal.com/8983.html?utm_source=twsharing&utm_medium=social

    Apparently this thing should hit the target and be recoverable / reusable after that (or how to make CIA spend more money with their fake Takfiri-made UAVs than themselves in interceptors) Very Happy

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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:23 am

    I was actually thinking of a simple aircraft type UAV with cameras that could be remote flown and mounting a new 40mm balkan grenade launcher in its nose.

    In operation you would fly your UAV towards enemy UAVs and open fire at about 30-50m range with special grenades designed to fly 20-40m and then explode blowing forward an enormous blast of ball bearings and cube shrapnel like a claymore mine... a good quality forward looking camera with night vision... it would probably be quite fun... attack them from behind they wont know what hit them and the cost in fuel and grenades should not be that high... you could probably carry 20-50 grenades as a payload, so you could take out quite a few targets. With a well designed round it should be very very effective... you could fit a laser range finder on the aircraft so no ammo is wasted... you could even use computer calculations to determine the aim point and even have it firing automatically based on range and closing speed from the laser and the position in the field of view of the target.

    Another option of course could simply be a couple of fixed shotgun barrels with buckshot and fly right up behind the target and blast it with lead...

    You just have to remember that this might occur above friendly forces or civilians... an airburst grenade would not be too much of a threat, and nor would shot gun rounds from any height.
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  Hole on Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:38 am

    Something like this, just for the air:


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    Post  LMFS on Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:38 pm

    GarryB wrote:I was actually thinking of a simple aircraft type UAV with cameras that could be remote flown and mounting a new 40mm balkan grenade launcher in its nose.

    In operation you would fly your UAV towards enemy UAVs and open fire at about 30-50m range with special grenades designed to fly 20-40m and then explode blowing forward an enormous blast of ball bearings and cube shrapnel like a claymore mine... a good quality forward looking camera with night vision... it would probably be quite fun... attack them from behind they wont know what hit them and the cost in fuel and grenades should not be that high... you could probably carry 20-50 grenades as a payload, so you could take out quite a few targets. With a well designed round it should be very very effective... you could fit a laser range finder on the aircraft so no ammo is wasted... you could even use computer calculations to determine the aim point and even have it firing automatically based on range and closing speed from the laser and the position in the field of view of the target.

    Another option of course could simply be a couple of fixed shotgun barrels with buckshot and fly right up behind the target and blast it with lead...

    You just have to remember that this might occur above friendly forces or civilians... an airburst grenade would not be too much of a threat, and nor would shot gun rounds from any height.
    You would make a terrific military engineer hahaha!

    I guess the Russian solution is intended not only for reusability but also for fast interception. UAVs are small targets than can fly very low and they are probably not that easy to detect from very far away. Maybe there is no time to go hunting them one after the other but rather throw many interceptors
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    Post  LMFS on Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:I was actually thinking of a simple aircraft type UAV with cameras that could be remote flown and mounting a new 40mm balkan grenade launcher in its nose.

    In operation you would fly your UAV towards enemy UAVs and open fire at about 30-50m range with special grenades designed to fly 20-40m and then explode blowing forward an enormous blast of ball bearings and cube shrapnel like a claymore mine... a good quality forward looking camera with night vision... it would probably be quite fun... attack them from behind they wont know what hit them and the cost in fuel and grenades should not be that high... you could probably carry 20-50 grenades as a payload, so you could take out quite a few targets. With a well designed round it should be very very effective... you could fit a laser range finder on the aircraft so no ammo is wasted... you could even use computer calculations to determine the aim point and even have it firing automatically based on range and closing speed from the laser and the position in the field of view of the target.

    Another option of course could simply be a couple of fixed shotgun barrels with buckshot and fly right up behind the target and blast it with lead...

    You just have to remember that this might occur above friendly forces or civilians... an airburst grenade would not be too much of a threat, and nor would shot gun rounds from any height.

    10 points GarryB thumbsup

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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:05 am

    Something like this, just for the air:

    Yes, though because a diver is not a small fast target a rifle with supercavitating bullet would suffice...


    It is not super fast but the bullets it fires should reach out quite far and fast... a bit like a remote gun turret that can move slowly around the thing you are defending... port or ship or whatever...

    I rather suspect it would be also rather valuable in dealing with mines found in operations... move closer to the target at 1knt and then shoot it.... not the end of the world if you are too close... but perfectly safe for you.

    You would make a terrific military engineer hahaha!

    I would probably be a terrible engineer, but I like to think I might be a good ideas person...

    I guess the Russian solution is intended not only for reusability but also for fast interception. UAVs are small targets than can fly very low and they are probably not that easy to detect from very far away. Maybe there is no time to go hunting them one after the other but rather throw many interceptors

    I think we can both agree the wide variety of threats means a variety of solutions is needed... from a Kalashnikov gun that is actually designed to jam as a normal part of its operation... Embarassed to this weapon, and many other solutions in between.

    The key is cost... you want something cheap and simple that can deal with a lot of targets... preferably with the target not even knowing you are there...

    I mean the Serbs used helicopters with door gunners to fly alongside expensive NATO UAVs and just shoot them down with PKMs... brilliant... and relatively simple.

    We have seen a requirement for new Helicopter types to be able to shoot down small aerial vehicles... so the Mi-28NM could have airburst 30mm cannon shells which would also be useful...

    Exactly what you said

    Interesting... they have had what they call cargo rounds for their 30mm cannon for fighters and aircraft where the round travels as a complete projectile until a fixed distance where a rear charge detonates and sends subprojectiles in the direction of the target like a super shotgun blast.

    The round itself is optimised for shooting at ground targets like troops or soft targets in the open and is intended for targets 1.8km from the muzzle give or take a metre.

    A 40mm grenade could pack a lot of small projectiles with a charge powerful enough to give good range and coverage, and if you had a set fuse to detonate the grenade at a fixed range... 40-80m or so, you could use a laser rangefinder to position your aircraft to fire them so that the blast would cover the area around the target so that even if it stopped or turned or sped up it would still get pummelled...

    The issue is that while the 40mm grenade will be more expensive than shotgun shells, it will also deliver a much more powerful blow at greater ranges, so it could deal with all sorts of targets... including enemy helicopters... the key would be forward facing fragmentation effect for the grenades for a good even spread of fragments.

    It could be used to stop a swarm of small drones, but it could also be used against an infantry attack on the base too.

    A shotgun shell would not have the capacity... a human sized target out to maybe 20m most of the time... further away and you probably wont get enough hits to assure a kill... buckshot would be necessary as lighter loads would probably not hit hard enough to do enough damage on some UAVs...

    Fragments from an exploding grenade will be travelling much much fast and do rather more damage...
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:31 pm

    @GarryB:
    Even better than the 40 mm grenade is 57 mm ammo... with more than 10 km range and huge destructive capacity, especially against soft targets. This is almost a 3 kg shell, so no small thing at all.

    Low power EW may be limited against autonomous, military grade hardened UAVs, but pure and simple destructive means like 57 mm ammo will do wonders against them and be a quite effective option IMO against UAV swarms Very Happy
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  Hole on Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:10 pm



    Take one of these and put a machine gun or granate launcher on it. Or both. Plus a couple of RPG´s.

    Against drone swarms you could also use small, off the shelve drones, add a grenade which produces lot of splinters and fly them into the swarm. The surviving drones could be shot down by larger drones woth guns.
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:43 am

    Even better than the 40 mm grenade is 57 mm ammo... with more than 10 km range and huge destructive capacity, especially against soft targets. This is almost a 3 kg shell, so no small thing at all.

    Quite true, and a 57mm gun armed vehicle will likely be part of the air defence of most static and mobile targets needing defence from armed drones, but in terms of weight and size and cost, a light simple aircraft with a grenade launcher would be cheaper and simpler, and much less bulky.

    They have talked about a tethered UAV for Armata that hovers above 10+m above the vehicle with thermal imagers and radar to detect targets and threats... those sort of sensors plus a laser range finder would be plenty to detect small UAVs and UCAVs... the interception UAV should have the mobility to fly out to where the swarm is coming from and to fly around firing at the UAVs from close range... preferably from behind so they don't see it coming... if it can match the speed of the incoming drone attack it can shoot from behind and above and just pick them off.

    In fact you could have an area... say 10km away from your airbase where these UAVs operate... inside that range you can use other methods of dealing with UAVs... but having a 40mm grenade launcher and an EMP weapon perhaps on your UAV... because it is going to be flying close to the UAVs anyway... it makes sense to use both.

    In terms of weight you should be able to manage 30-50 rounds of 40mm grenades, but the EMP weapon should be good for a few more kills from very close range... which should make it more effective against anything with any electronics in it.

    Low power EW may be limited against autonomous, military grade hardened UAVs, but pure and simple destructive means like 57 mm ammo will do wonders against them and be a quite effective option IMO against UAV swarm

    Actually Russia and Bulgaria developed a jamming 122mm shell that was designed to be fired into enemy territory near the front line and it was supposed to jam communications in the area for a period of a few hours... a scaled up model for a 152mm shell that sent out an EMP pulse to disable nearby UAVs could be another option.

    It all depends on detection performance... a 152mm shell could be delivered to 70km, so potentially in Syria you could be delivering jammers to the launch sites... though you might want to design the jamming round so that it destroys itself during use so it cannot be captured... the volume difference between a 122mm jammer round and a 152mm round would mean careful design and material choice... lots of magnesium and big lithium batteries for instance, and even a charge or amount of naturally combustible materials that will destroy completely the round after it has blown all the nearby electronics would be an improvement.

    So it changes role from 4-6 hours jamming to one near instant jamming pulse and then self destruction.

    Then at 10-20km range you have UCAVs shooting and jamming enemy UCAVs, and then within 10km you have 57mm guns and of course 30mm cannon with air burst ammo too.... and perhaps even cheap command guided or beam riding missiles like Shturm or Kornet...

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