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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:30 pm

    For a light cheap air defence vehicle I prefer the SOSNA-R towed setup with an EO ball turret with a quad launcher for high speed SOSNA laser beam riding missiles with a range of 10km and a single twin barrel 30mm 2A38M cannon (one of the two guns from a Tunguska).

    Put that on an 8 wheel vehicle and it would be cheap but quite effective.
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    Post  franco on Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:15 am

    New SPAD system being developed with 57mm AA;

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    Post  Isos on Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:56 pm

    I've seen a system of some igla S mounted on a teleoperated system on a light vehicle. Not the bipod with a man seating and operating it but a better on with IR cameras. Does anyone have information about it ?
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    Post  Guest on Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:20 pm

    Isos wrote:I've seen a system of some igla S mounted on a teleoperated system on a light vehicle. Not the bipod with a man seating and operating it but a better on with IR cameras. Does anyone have information about it ?

    Gibka variant on Tigr?

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    Post  Benya on Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:38 am

    New Russian Gibka-S air defense missile system ready for preliminary trials.

    The new Russian advanced Gibka-S air defense missile system is being prepared for preliminary trials, General Designer of Russia’s Machine-Building Design Bureau Valery Kashin told TASS. The system is based on a 4x4 light tactical vehicle Tigr fitted with an Igla-S or 9K333 Verba surface-to-air missiles launch station.

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    Russian-made Gibka-S is based on a Tigr 4x4 light tactical vehicle armed with four ready to launch Igla-S or 9K333 Verba surface-to-air missiles

    "In accordance with the Defense Ministry’s technical specifications, we are developing the Gibka-S system based on the Tigr light platform. We are carrying out the work in cooperation with our subcontractors on our own initiative," Kashin said.

    "The system is currently being prepared for preliminary trials. It has been manufactured and is being adjusted now. We hope that its preliminary trials will be followed by the state tests and then the system will be accepted," he added.

    According to the general designer, the company is also discussing the development of another light short-range air defense missile system similar to the Strela-10 complex.

    "The talk is about the Ptitselov R&D work. If the task is assigned, we will seek to take part in the work," Kashin said.

    As the design bureau’s press office told TASS earlier, the Gibka-S system’s squad combat and reconnaissance-control vehicles are designed to defend combined-arms units from aircraft flying at low and extremely low altitudes both in the daytime and at night.

    The Gibka-S is based on the Russian-made Tigr 4x4 light tactical vehicle with four ready-to-launch 9K338 Igla-S (SA-24 'Grinch') or 9K333 Verba (Willow) surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), mounted on a launching station which can be lowered inside the vehicle in road position.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/new_russian_gibka-s_air_defense_system_ready_for_preliminary_trials_12401175.html



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    This would find great use at those superlight brigades, or at missile units (both Iskander brigades and RVSN (Strategic Missile Forces) units.)
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    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:12 pm

    Anti-aircraft missile system "Sosna"

    Placed by a colleague Alexei Khlopotov, a not-for-interest advertising video of JSC "KB Precision Engineering named. A. E. Nudelman "with the demonstration of a prototype of the long-term Sosna short-range anti-aircraft missile system with anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M340 "Sosna-R" with a laser beam guidance system. The fighting vehicle is made on the chassis of MT-LB.

    According to the official data of JSC "Design Bureau of Precision Engineering. A.E. Nudelman "complex, the" Pine "complex is designed to defeat virtually all air attack means, including WCO means such as cruise missiles and guided missiles, in the zone of responsibility: up to 10 km in range and 5 km in height.



    Basic principles of construction of the complex


    • deployment of missile armament with a launcher on one battle vehicle, target detection and tracking facilities, flight control systems in flight, united by a single optic-electronic control system (OESU) with armament;

    • the use of missile armament consisting of 12 high-speed high-precision Sosna-R missiles placed on the PU, a small mass of which determined the possibility of excluding the transport-loading machine from the complex;

    • application of the combat equipment of the missile defense system of the optimal configuration, which made it possible to sharply increase the effectiveness of the action by increasing the mass of spaced CUs and using a noncontact-contact laser fuse with a continuous circular radiation diagram with adaptive firing time;

    • application of a specially designed original multi-channel automatic high-precision, practically all-weather and all-weather ESOU;

    • Use of the combined missile control system - the radio command system at the launch site, after the engine is separated and the missile is taken out to the line of sight - teleorientation in the laser beam;

    • providing the possibility of detecting targets autonomously with the help of the ESIA with sectoral review and in the mode of obtaining automated target designation.


    The main advantages of the Sosna SAM system

    • High efficiency of combat use, including high-speed and low-flying targets, as well as helicopter jumping;

    • a high degree of automation of the combat process;

    • the ability to conduct combat operations at any time of the day and in difficult weather conditions;

    • the secrecy of the preparation process and high survivability;

    • No restriction on the minimum altitude of the flight of the target;

    • Insensitivity to radar and optical suppression techniques used by the enemy;

    • the ability to conduct firing in motion.


    Main characteristics

    Armament 12 pcs. ZUR "Pine-R"

    Mass of rocket in flight / in TPK, kg 30/42

    Caliber before and after splitting the rocket 130/72

    Maximum rocket speed, m / s 900

    Combined guidance system

    Zones of damage, km:

    on range up to 10,0
    on height up to 5,0

    Round the clock application is provided

    Time:

    reaction, from 5 to 8
    recharge, min 10,0

    Modes of operation are autonomous and with centralized control

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    Post  LMFS on Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:13 pm

    MOSCOW, August 15. / TASS /. "High-precision complexes" for the first time will show a new anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) "Sosna" at the forum "Army-2018". This was reported by TASS in the press service of the company.

    "A presentation of the newest Sosna SAM system will take place at the military-technical forum" Army-2018 ", the press service said.

    Also the company will present at the forum a new hunting carbine of the caliber of 9 mm, created on the basis of the sniper rifle for the special forces of the ARIA.

    The Sosna air defense missile system is designed to destroy air targets at ranges up to ten kilometers and at altitudes up to five kilometers. One combat vehicle is equipped with 12 Sosna-R guided missiles, in addition, it was reported about the development for the complex upgraded version of the Pine-M.

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5459575


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    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:08 am

    Sosna air defense missile system in the exposition of the forum "Army-2018"

    On August 21, 2018, in the Patriot military patriotic park in Kubinka, the next International Military Technical Forum "Army-2018", among other things, JSC "Design Bureau of Precision Engineering named after A.E. Nodelman "(part of the JSC" NPO "High-Precision Complexes" of the State Corporation "Rostekh") for the first time publicly demonstrates the combat vehicle of the Sosna short-range anti-aircraft missile system with anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M340 Sosna-R with laser beam guidance system.

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    The combat vehicle of the Sosna short-range anti-aircraft missile system with anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M340 Sosna-R with a laser beam guidance system in the prepared exposition of the International Military Technical Forum "Army-2018" in the Patriot Park. Kubinka (Moscow region), August 19, 1981 (with) Mikhail Zherdev

    According to official data of the KB Design Bureau of Precision Engineering A.E. Nudelman, the "Sosna" complex is designed to defeat virtually all air attack means, including weapons such as cruise missiles and guided missiles, in the zone of responsibility: up to 10 km in range and 5 km in height.

    THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMPLEX

    • deployment of missile armament with a launcher on one battle vehicle, target detection and tracking facilities, flight control systems in flight, united by a single optic-electronic control system (OESU) with armament;

    • the use of rocket armament consisting of 12 high-speed high-precision Sosna-R missiles placed on the PU, a small mass of which determined the possibility of excluding the transport-loading machine from the complex;

    • application of the combat equipment of the SAM of the optimal configuration, which made it possible to sharply increase the effectiveness of the action due to the increase in the mass of spaced CUs and the use of a noncontact-contact laser fuse with a continuous circular radiation diagram with adaptive firing time;

    • application of a specially designed original multi-channel automatic high-precision, practically all-weather and all-weather ESOU;

    • use of the combined missile control system - the radio command system on the launch site, after the engine is separated and the missile is taken out to the line of sight - teleorientation in the laser beam;

    • providing the possibility of detecting targets autonomously with the help of the ESIA with sectoral review and in the mode of obtaining automated target designation.


    MAIN ADVANTAGES OF SOSNA

    • high efficiency of combat use, including high-speed and low-flying targets, as well as helicopter jumping;

    • a high degree of automation of the combat process;

    • the ability to conduct combat operations at any time of the day and in difficult weather conditions;

    • the secrecy of the preparation process and high survivability;

    • No restriction on the minimum altitude of the flight of the target;

    • Insensitivity to radar and optical suppression techniques used by the enemy;

    • the ability to conduct firing in motion.


    The main characteristics of the complex:

    Armament - 12 pcs. "Sosna-R"
    Mass of rocket in flight / in TPK, kg - 30/42
    Caliber before and after splitting the rocket - 130/72
    Maximum speed of the rocket, m/s - 900
    Guidance system - combined
    Zones of damage, km:
    in range up to 10,0
    on height up to 5,0
    Round the clock application is provided
    Time:
    reactions, from 5 to 8
    recharge, min 10,0
    Modes of operation -autonomous and with centralized control

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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:14 pm

    Russian hi-tech firm showcases latest Sosna short-range air defense missile system

    The Sosna strikes targets within a range of 10 km and at an altitude of 5km

    KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, August 22. /TASS/. Russia’s state hi-tech corporation Rostec has demonstrated the first serial-produced version of the latest Sosna short-range air defense missile system at the Army-2018 international military and technical forum outside Moscow, the Rostec press office said on Wednesday.

    "The new mobile system has successfully passed state trials and is set to replace the Strela-10M air defense missile system in the Russian army," Rostec said.

    The Sosna strikes targets within a range of 10 km and at an altitude of 5km day and night. One combat vehicle carries 12 small-size Sosna-R surface-to-air missiles and is equipped with the high-precision electro-optical jam-proof control system. The Sosna is designated to protect battlefield troops from precision weapons and air reconnaissance means.

    "The missiles’ small weight and dimensions allow the air defense system to operate without a special transporter-loader. The system’s rotating part is designed as a combat compartment, which can be mounted on various transporting vehicles with a lifting capacity of over 3.5 tonnes," the Rostec press office said.

    The Sosna air defense missile system has been developed by the Nudelman Precision Design Bureau (part of High Precision Systems within the state hi-tech corporation Rostec).

    As was reported earlier, High Precision Systems completed the state trials of the Bagulnik air defense missile system in 2017. According to open sources, the Bagulnik is the combat module of the Sosna air defense missile system.

    Russian Army to get Sosna air defense missile systems soon

    The latest Sosna short-range air defense missile system will be delivered to the Russian troops in the immediate future, Head of the Nudelman Precision Design Bureau Vladimir Makeyev said at the system’s presentation at the Army-2018 international military and technical forum.

    "Preparations are underway for the system’s serial production. We hope that we will see it in the troops soon," he said.

    Sosna Chief Designer Vladimir Ukleyev said that the air defense missile system has a passive sight system, which ensures its concealment.

    The system’s new missile has a warhead weight of 7.2 kg and a strike range of up to 10km and can engage ground targets, he said.

    The Sosna can also deliver fire while on the move, he added. "During the trials, fire on the move was conducted at speeds of 25-30 km/h. A tank formation does not move at large speeds," the chief designer said.


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    Post  franco on Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:12 am

    More photos and information.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:59 pm

    https://vpk.name/news/225431_kompleks_pvo_sosna_smozhet_porazhat_i_nazemnyie_celi__razrabotchik.html

    Air defense complex "Sosna" will be able to hit ground targets - developer

    Kubinka (Moscow region) on August 22. INTERFAX-AVN - New anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) "Pine" will be able to fire not only on air but also at ground targets, told reporters on Wednesday the Deputy technical Director of design and production complex JSC "Kbtochmash named Nudelman" Vladimir Uchaev.

    "Tests carried out the shooting on the move at speeds of 25-30 miles per hour. The complex has the ability to fire at ground targets", - said V. Uleev.

    Earlier it was reported that SAM "Pine" is designed to engage virtually all means of air attack, including cruise and guided aircraft missiles at ranges up to 10 km and at altitudes of up to five km.

    The complex is equipped with 12 high precision anti-aircraft guided missiles "Sosna-R", developing a maximum speed of 900 metres per second.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:39 am

    Looking at the stats of the missile the warhead is 2.5kgs heavier than on the original missile... warhead weight went from 5kgs to 7.5kgs... and flight range from 8km to 10km.

    Unlike the Strela-10, it has no IR seeker in its nose... which makes it much cheaper and harder to defeat...
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:04 am

    The latest ZRK "Pine" (SOSNA)has successfully passed state tests

    https://ria.ru/20190329/1552211733.html

    Finally! I dont think this was posted, it slip with me, if posted yes sir

    Dont find a topic for SOSNA, so...
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    Post  George1 on Sat May 18, 2019 1:27 am

    Modification of the newest anti-aircraft missile system "Sosna" on a new tracked chassis will be presented at the forum "Army-2019". TASS on Thursday during the 9th international exhibition of armaments MILEX 2019 was informed by the deputy general director of the holding company “High-precision complexes” (included in Rostec) for foreign economic activity Sergey Mikhailov.

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    Post  George1 on Mon May 20, 2019 10:23 pm

    Igla SAM systems on latest armored vehicle Taifun-PO?

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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 21, 2019 6:22 am

    I've seen a system of some igla S mounted on a teleoperated system on a light vehicle. Not the bipod with a man seating and operating it but a better on with IR cameras. Does anyone have information about it ?

    Do you mean the system mounted on the Vodnik?

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    I don't have a lot of information about the system... don't know if it got past prototype... seems to have multiple fixed IR sensors pointing in all directions for passive detection of targets, and an EO box for target tracking and more precise identification and likely laser ranging that is armed with missiles and rifle calibre machine guns as backup.

    I suspect the relatively failure of the base vehicle has not helped the turret but I have not seen that turret on any other platform either.
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    Post  Hole on Tue May 21, 2019 10:57 am

    George1 wrote: Igla SAM systems on latest armored vehicle Taifun-PO?

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1059128

    Looks like the Taifun will be used to transport the SAM operators.
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    Post  George1 on Tue May 21, 2019 11:10 pm

    This will be

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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 22, 2019 5:51 am

    AFAIK traditionally in the Soviet forces it was BMP-2 platoons that carried the MANPADS gripstocks with the guy launching the missile normally just opening a roof hatch and standing up and launching at the air threat... I suspect the commander would get warning of incoming air threats and their direction and order the driver to turn the vehicle to face the incoming threat or detected helo so the gunner can open fire with the 30mm cannon and the soldier can stand up and fire over the turret at the incoming threat with a missile...

    Currently I believe they have a command setup called Barnaul or something for warning MANPADS operators about incoming air threats with warnings and information cues to improve performance.... (including night vision devices and thermal sights when needed...)
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    Post  Hole on Wed May 22, 2019 10:48 am

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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 23, 2019 4:01 am

    Nice image... so every box with a soldier carrying an Igla missile can be replaced with a Taifun vehicle with Igla or Verba missile operators...

    So from that graphic you would have about 5 Taifun troop carriers with MANPADS teams... plus another three with the command teams with laptops in charge of the MANPADS teams in the field.

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    Post  Hole on Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:03 pm

    Sosna on BMP-3

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    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:23 pm

    Guest wrote:
    Isos wrote:I've seen a system of some igla S mounted on a teleoperated system on a light vehicle. Not the bipod with a man seating and operating it but a better on with IR cameras. Does anyone have information about it ?

    Gibka variant on Tigr?

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    It was this one actually and it was in the previous page. Sorry for answering just now. It's basically a strela 10 with Igla manpads. But a good amount of missiles so that if the first one misses the crew can still deal with remaining helicopter or plane. I would try to get an even lighter plateform and put Verba instead igla.

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