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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  Viktor on Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:06 am

    Entering service seems to be just around the corner thumbsup



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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:24 am

    Viktor wrote:Entering service seems to be just around the corner  thumbsup


    Is this Sosna-R?


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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  Viktor on Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:30 am

    George1 wrote:Is this Sosna-R?

    Yes it is.
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:10 am

    - I assume the Sosnas will replace the Strela-10s and Strela-1s in service, as well as the VDVs BTR-ZD vehicles. Albeit the Strela-10s are currently getting upgraded, so they'll be around for a while.
    - We also have Tor-M1/M2s steadily replacing the Osa vehicles.
    - The Pantsirs haven't been procured for the Ground Forces yet but I assume that they eventually will be (although the Tunguskas easily have a couple upgrade cycles left in them); whereupon it will start replacing the Tunguskas there.

    How's this for a prognosis

    Right now the Ground Forces have: ZU-23-2s + Strela-1s + Strela-10s + Osas + Tors + Tunguskas (ZU-23-4s in reserve)
    Within the next 10 years the balance will change to: Zu-23-2s + Strela-10s + Sosnas + Tors + Tunguskas + Pantsirs (Strela-1s, Osas, ZU-23-4s in reserve)
    And eventually to: Zu-23-2s + Sosnas + Tors + Pantsirs (Strela-10s, Osas, Tunguskas in reserve)

    The VDV currently has: BTR-ZDs + Strela-10s*
    Within the next 10 years the balance will change to: Sosnas + Pantsirs** (BTR-ZDs in reserve)
    * The Strela-10s are not air-droppable, so they will probably be replaced with some priority even despite the fact that the VDV only very recently acquired them and have the latest M4 variant.
    ** If they can create a lightweight Pantsir platform.

    The Marines have: Strela-1s + Strela-10s* + Osas + ZU-23-4s
    Within the next 10 years the balance will change to: Sosnas + Tors** + Pantsirs (Strela-10s, Osas, ZU-23-4s in reserve)
    * They might well get rid of Strela-10s faster than the army as they may well switch to the Kurganets chassis faster (they've long been neglected and are due for some attention and new vehicles).
    ** Albeit they might just skip on the Tors.

    VDV will have MANPADs Sosna-Rs
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:36 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    - The Pantsirs haven't been procured for the Ground Forces yet but I assume that they eventually will be (although the Tunguskas easily have a couple upgrade cycles left in them); whereupon it will start replacing the Tunguskas there.

    Τhe Pantsyrs however are more advanced than Tunguska in terms of range, its a Short to Medium range AS System. Something between Tor and Buk.

    I think Pantsyr is the Tunguska analogue in Air Force and in air defence of military/industrial/administrative installations not the replacement of Tunguska in Ground Forces


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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  Book. on Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:02 am

    300 tuguska moderna ok
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:48 am

    The Strela-10 (known in the west as SA-13 and based on an MTLB chassis instead of the smaller and less capable SA-9 on the BRDM-2 chassis) was a replacement for the ZU-23-2 towed 23mm cannon.

    It was a stopgap measure until SOSNA-R is ready.

    Among the ground forces I suspect the ZU-23-2 might be replaced by a single gun twin barrel 2A38M cannon on a light trailer... it has been shown in the past with a large EO ball and a quad launcher for SAMs.

    Regarding the Tunguska and Pantsir question... I rather suspect all the development of the sensors and systems and missiles that has gone into the Pantsir-S1 will likely be applied to the Tunguska, which will continue in service in the Army. the Pantsir will likely also be adopted by the navy too as its extended missile envelope and improved sensors, as well as its new multi target engagement capability make it a rather more capable system without greatly increasing costs... though it is not cheap to buy... it would be relatively cheap to actually use and flexible with options of missiles and cannon shells.


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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:59 pm

    GarryB wrote:The Strela-10 (known in the west as SA-13 and based on an MTLB chassis instead of the smaller and less capable SA-9 on the BRDM-2 chassis) was a replacement for the ZU-23-2 towed 23mm cannon.

    It was a stopgap measure until SOSNA-R is ready.

    Among the ground forces I suspect the ZU-23-2 might be replaced by a single gun twin barrel 2A38M cannon on a light trailer... it has been shown in the past with a large EO ball and a quad launcher for SAMs.

    Regarding the Tunguska and Pantsir question... I rather suspect all the development of the sensors and systems and missiles that has gone into the Pantsir-S1 will likely be applied to the Tunguska, which will continue in service in the Army. the Pantsir will likely also be adopted by the navy too as its extended missile envelope and improved sensors, as well as its new multi target engagement capability make it a rather more capable system without greatly increasing costs... though it is not cheap to buy... it would be relatively cheap to actually use and flexible with options of missiles and cannon shells.

    Yes the Tunguska will certainly continue for a long time, just as the T-90s, BTR-82s, BMP-3s, Msta-Ss, etc... will.

    However, when it comes to the Armata/Kurganets/Bumerang-based vehicles; for air defence they will likely use Pantsir modules on their base chassis; and as these vehicle families take over a bigger proportion of the Armed Forces, so too will the Pantsir naturally replace the Tunguska - albeit it will be a slow process.

    There is also the 'Morfei' system, and I have no idea how it will fit into all this.
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:19 pm

    Belarus, Russia Start Development of New Air Defense System

    Belarusian Deputy Defense Minister said that Belarus and Russia have started joint development of a new short-range air defense system.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Belarus and Russia have started joint development of a new short-range air defense system to replace the outdated Strela-10M systems currently in service with the Russian and the Belarusian armed forces, Belarusian Deputy Defense Minister Maj. Gen. Igor Lotenkov said.

    “The work is being carried out in the framework of the [Russia-Belarus] Union State. The project involves the development of a short-range air defense system,” Lotenkov told RIA Novosti.

    The general added that the Strela-10M system was developed in early 1970’s and does not meet current air defense requirements.

    Belarus is expecting the delivery of the first six Mi-8MTV-5 military transport helicopters from Russia under the 2015 contract by the end of 2016, Igor Lotenkov said.

    The Belarusian Defense Ministry signed a contract with Russian Helicopters during the Army-2015 forum in June on the supply of 12 Mi-8MTV-5 military transport helicopters.

    "As to the implementation of the contract on the supply of Mi-8MTV-5 helicopters, signed at the Army-2015 forum, we are planning to finalize the first stage – the delivery of six helicopters – by the end of 2016," Lotenkov said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150820/1025958282.html#ixzz3jMudYEnf


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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:51 pm

    George1 wrote:Belarus, Russia Start Development of New Air Defense System

    Belarusian Deputy Defense Minister said that Belarus and Russia have started joint development of a new short-range air defense system.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Belarus and Russia have started joint development of a new short-range air defense system to replace the outdated Strela-10M systems currently in service with the Russian and the Belarusian armed forces, Belarusian Deputy Defense Minister Maj. Gen. Igor Lotenkov said.

    “The work is being carried out in the framework of the [Russia-Belarus] Union State. The project involves the development of a short-range air defense system,” Lotenkov told RIA Novosti.

    The general added that the Strela-10M system was developed in early 1970’s and does not meet current air defense requirements.

    Belarus is expecting the delivery of the first six Mi-8MTV-5 military transport helicopters from Russia under the 2015 contract by the end of 2016, Igor Lotenkov said.

    The Belarusian Defense Ministry signed a contract with Russian Helicopters during the Army-2015 forum in June on the supply of 12 Mi-8MTV-5 military transport helicopters.

    "As to the implementation of the contract on the supply of Mi-8MTV-5 helicopters, signed at the Army-2015 forum, we are planning to finalize the first stage – the delivery of six helicopters – by the end of 2016," Lotenkov said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150820/1025958282.html#ixzz3jMudYEnf
    Umm.. isn't that what the Sosna was for?
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:53 am

    Perhaps they are doing what they did with Pantsir-S1 with the UAE... joint development with a partner so you can use it domestically and have another guaranteed market at the same time... Smile


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    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:10 am

    Interesting, but i thought Belarus is atm modernising their Osa systems to T38 Stilet standard not sure how much space they have for another SHORAD, wouldnt it be easier just to obtain some Pantisr systems from Russia than developing totally different system to suplement Stilet.
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:42 pm

    State tests of the newest air defense systems "Sosna" will be completed in 2016

    The main difference between the latest anti-missile short-range "Sosna" is increased twice in comparison with analogue, a complex "Strela", hitting the target range - from 5 to 10 kilometers, said the deputy director Sergei Ignatov.

    Kuwait, December 9 - RIA Novosti. The state tests of the newest anti-aircraft missile system of short-range "Sosna" will start at the beginning of 2016, so that by the middle of the year to present the complex of the Defense Ministry, told RIA Novosti on Wednesday in Kuwait Deputy Director KBtochmash (developer of the complex) Sergey Ignatov.

    "State tests begin in early 2016. We have a representative of the Defense Ministry complex in the middle of the year. Then expect to sign a contract with the Defense Ministry," - said Ignatiev.

    According to him, the complex is designed on the technical task the Ministry of Defence, its main difference is increased twice in comparison with analogue, a complex "Strela", hitting the target range - from 5 to 10 kilometers.

    The complex can be located on the track platform and the wheel on the boat, on the beach. "The main thing is that the platform meets the load-carrying capacity - of the order of 4 tons," - said Ignatiev.

    In Kuwait, passes gun shows Gulf Defense and Aerospace, in which the Russian delegation participated for the first time.


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    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:49 pm

    "State trials of the new Russian short-range Sosna missile defense system will begin in early 2016 so that the Russian Defense Ministry can deliver the complex by the middle of the year, a deputy head of the system’s designers said Wedesday.

    The system is intended to protect against all types of air threats including high-precision weapons e.g. cruise missiles and guided aircraft missiles in the area of the system responsibility: in range – up to 10 km, in altitude – up to 5 km.

    Structure principles

    • mount of missile armament with a launcher in one combat vehicle, air search and target tracking equipments, missile flight control units that are combined by integrated optronic combat control system
    • missile armament consists of 12 high-speed high-precision maintenance-free missiles SOSNA-R deployed in a launcher. Light weight of the missiles allows to dispose of a transport/loading vehicle from the system
    • optimal configuration of surface-to-air guided missile (SAM) payload allows to improve impact effect due to increased weight of spread warheads and application of impact/non-impact laser fuse with continuous circular beam pattern and adaptive burst time
    • special multichannel automatic high-precision practically all-weather and day/night optronic control system
    • combined missile control system:
    – radio command system in start zone
    – remote orientation in laser beam after engine division and missile targeting to the line-of-sight
    • optronic combat control system with sector scan and in the automate target designation mode provide autonomous target detection capability

    Qualities

    • high effectiveness of combat application including high-speed and low-flying targets and helicopters during pop-up maneuvers
    • high automation of combat processes
    • day/night and all-weather capability of combat processes
    • concealed fire preparation and high survivability
    • unlimited minimum flight altitude of hitting target
    • radar and optical countermeasure equipments immunity
    • capacity to firing on the move"




    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/russia-to-complete-tests-of-newest-short-range-sosna-missile-defense-system-in-2016.html
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    Post  medo on Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:50 pm

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201601150852-w5gq.htm

    Во второй половине 2016 года ЗРК «Сосна» поступит в российскую армию и станет достойным украшением войсковой ПВО: его способности позволяют гарантированно «подчищать» ближние рубежи обороны от воздушного нападения.

    In the second half of the year Russian army will start receiving Sosna VSHORAD complexes.
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:20 pm

    Russia to Present New Mobile Control Unit for MANPADS at Defexpo India 2016

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160328/1037070631/defexpo-india-russia-manpad.html#ixzz44DA6Eyus


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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:12 am

    just thought i would share some various pics relating to the topic enjoy. the shelter version is the first i have seen, and i really like the idea of the Igla mounted on the GAZ vodnik these would be ideal for protecting Iskander units.











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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:36 pm

    Verba/Gibka on TIGR

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    Post  medo on Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:42 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Verba/Gibka on TIGR


    Finally they made a simple mobile SAM complex, which I expect for some time. It will be excellent to escort wheeled convoys behind the front lines.
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    Verba/Gibka on TIGR

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:30 pm

    For a light cheap air defence vehicle I prefer the SOSNA-R towed setup with an EO ball turret with a quad launcher for high speed SOSNA laser beam riding missiles with a range of 10km and a single twin barrel 30mm 2A38M cannon (one of the two guns from a Tunguska).

    Put that on an 8 wheel vehicle and it would be cheap but quite effective.


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    Post  franco on Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:15 am

    New SPAD system being developed with 57mm AA;

    http://tass.com/defense/846745
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    Post  Isos on Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:56 pm

    I've seen a system of some igla S mounted on a teleoperated system on a light vehicle. Not the bipod with a man seating and operating it but a better on with IR cameras. Does anyone have information about it ?
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    Igla-S mounted on a teleoperated system

    Post  Militarov on Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:20 pm

    Isos wrote:I've seen a system of some igla S mounted on a teleoperated system on a light vehicle. Not the bipod with a man seating and operating it but a better on with IR cameras. Does anyone have information about it ?

    Gibka variant on Tigr?

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    Post  Benya on Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:38 am

    New Russian Gibka-S air defense missile system ready for preliminary trials.

    The new Russian advanced Gibka-S air defense missile system is being prepared for preliminary trials, General Designer of Russia’s Machine-Building Design Bureau Valery Kashin told TASS. The system is based on a 4x4 light tactical vehicle Tigr fitted with an Igla-S or 9K333 Verba surface-to-air missiles launch station.


    Russian-made Gibka-S is based on a Tigr 4x4 light tactical vehicle armed with four ready to launch Igla-S or 9K333 Verba surface-to-air missiles

    "In accordance with the Defense Ministry’s technical specifications, we are developing the Gibka-S system based on the Tigr light platform. We are carrying out the work in cooperation with our subcontractors on our own initiative," Kashin said.

    "The system is currently being prepared for preliminary trials. It has been manufactured and is being adjusted now. We hope that its preliminary trials will be followed by the state tests and then the system will be accepted," he added.

    According to the general designer, the company is also discussing the development of another light short-range air defense missile system similar to the Strela-10 complex.

    "The talk is about the Ptitselov R&D work. If the task is assigned, we will seek to take part in the work," Kashin said.

    As the design bureau’s press office told TASS earlier, the Gibka-S system’s squad combat and reconnaissance-control vehicles are designed to defend combined-arms units from aircraft flying at low and extremely low altitudes both in the daytime and at night.

    The Gibka-S is based on the Russian-made Tigr 4x4 light tactical vehicle with four ready-to-launch 9K338 Igla-S (SA-24 'Grinch') or 9K333 Verba (Willow) surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), mounted on a launching station which can be lowered inside the vehicle in road position.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/new_russian_gibka-s_air_defense_system_ready_for_preliminary_trials_12401175.html



    Nice thumbsup

    This would find great use at those superlight brigades, or at missile units (both Iskander brigades and RVSN (Strategic Missile Forces) units.)
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    Re: Russian VSHORADS Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:12 pm

    Anti-aircraft missile system "Sosna"

    Placed by a colleague Alexei Khlopotov, a not-for-interest advertising video of JSC "KB Precision Engineering named. A. E. Nudelman "with the demonstration of a prototype of the long-term Sosna short-range anti-aircraft missile system with anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M340 "Sosna-R" with a laser beam guidance system. The fighting vehicle is made on the chassis of MT-LB.

    According to the official data of JSC "Design Bureau of Precision Engineering. A.E. Nudelman "complex, the" Pine "complex is designed to defeat virtually all air attack means, including WCO means such as cruise missiles and guided missiles, in the zone of responsibility: up to 10 km in range and 5 km in height.



    Basic principles of construction of the complex


    • deployment of missile armament with a launcher on one battle vehicle, target detection and tracking facilities, flight control systems in flight, united by a single optic-electronic control system (OESU) with armament;

    • the use of missile armament consisting of 12 high-speed high-precision Sosna-R missiles placed on the PU, a small mass of which determined the possibility of excluding the transport-loading machine from the complex;

    • application of the combat equipment of the missile defense system of the optimal configuration, which made it possible to sharply increase the effectiveness of the action by increasing the mass of spaced CUs and using a noncontact-contact laser fuse with a continuous circular radiation diagram with adaptive firing time;

    • application of a specially designed original multi-channel automatic high-precision, practically all-weather and all-weather ESOU;

    • Use of the combined missile control system - the radio command system at the launch site, after the engine is separated and the missile is taken out to the line of sight - teleorientation in the laser beam;

    • providing the possibility of detecting targets autonomously with the help of the ESIA with sectoral review and in the mode of obtaining automated target designation.


    The main advantages of the Sosna SAM system

    • High efficiency of combat use, including high-speed and low-flying targets, as well as helicopter jumping;

    • a high degree of automation of the combat process;

    • the ability to conduct combat operations at any time of the day and in difficult weather conditions;

    • the secrecy of the preparation process and high survivability;

    • No restriction on the minimum altitude of the flight of the target;

    • Insensitivity to radar and optical suppression techniques used by the enemy;

    • the ability to conduct firing in motion.


    Main characteristics

    Armament 12 pcs. ZUR "Pine-R"

    Mass of rocket in flight / in TPK, kg 30/42

    Caliber before and after splitting the rocket 130/72

    Maximum rocket speed, m / s 900

    Combined guidance system

    Zones of damage, km:

    on range up to 10,0
    on height up to 5,0

    Round the clock application is provided

    Time:

    reaction, from 5 to 8
    recharge, min 10,0

    Modes of operation are autonomous and with centralized control

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2833221.html


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