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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  hoom on Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:33 pm

    If I recall, Redut was not on the list of equipments.
    I guess that's the big mystery: Logically having removed the Kinzhal presumably something is going there instead, Redut would be the obvious candidate.
    Whether intentional or accidental the list http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1124199.html fails to name 5P-20K as Poliment radar but you're right there doesn't appear to be a Redut (3K96) entry.

    There is 3M-48 = S300FM without separately naming launcher & radar (could be just an electronic upgrade to the existing S300 hardware), so possibly Redut launchers would be included as part of that or as part of 5P-20K?
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:19 am

    Admiral Nakhimov will be equipped with supercomputers and ZIRKON missiles.

    Modernization of cruiser will end in 2020.

    http://www.vpk-news.ru/news/34729

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  chicken on Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:54 am

    Isos wrote:


    If I recall, Redut was not on the list of equipments.

    Maybe not the lunchers but they could have upgraded radars to S-400 lvl and missiles will go in the big lunchers. And they can use the bigger missiles, which is not possible with the redut.

    Redut is the VLS, the missiles that it carry can also be accommodated in S-300FM. Or so I think.



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    hoom wrote:I guess that's the big mystery: Logically having removed the Kinzhal presumably something is going there instead, Redut would be the obvious candidate.

    Probably just an upgrade

    A naval version of the Tor-M2U is being developed by Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant Kupol for integration on to the Russian Navy vessels.

    http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tor-m2u-air-defence-missile-system-adms/
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  hoom on Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:15 am

    A naval version of the Tor-M2U is being developed by Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant Kupol for integration on to the Russian Navy vessels.
    Yes but the naval Tor-M2U is pretty clearly setup for small scale installation, not suitable for the large scale on Nakhimov.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:35 am

    They have said that improved land based TOR models are still state of the art in terms of their ability to intercept small fast targets, so I think it would make sense to keep the naval TOR in operation... the setup on larger vessels likely will just include a much larger number of ready to fire missiles.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Benya on Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:55 am

    Russian Navy Kirov-class cruiser Admiral Nakhimov Return to Operational Status Slips to 2022

    The return to operational status of the Russian Navy’s Project 11442M (NATO reporting name: Kirov-class) Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser will take place within three to four years, United Shipbuilding Corporation President Alexei Rakhmanov has told the Interfax News Agency.


    Admiral Nakhimov heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser (TARKR) currently under refit at Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk. Picture: Sevmash shipyard via militaryrussia.ru

    "I think we will return the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser to the Navy in 2020-2021. We are working to this end with due account taken of the changes in the amount of work to be done," Rakhmanov said.

    Once upgraded, the Admiral Nakhimov will feature characteristics that are far more advanced and she will beef up the Russian Navy considerably. The upgrade will include the replacement of her missile and gunnery weapons, in particular the introduction of long-range cruise missiles organic to the Kalibr (SS-N-27 Sizzler) system.

    The Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser is designed to destroy high-value surface and land targets and provide air defense for the formation it is part of. The ship was launched in 1986 and commissioned in 1988. She had been moored at Sevmash in Severodvinsk from 1999 to 2012 when a decision was made to rebuild her. The contract for repairing the cruiser was placed in 2013. The Admiral Nakhimov’s upgrade to Project 11442M standard will afford the warship the Kalibr missile system. The cruiser displaces 24,500 tons, measures 251 m long, has a full power of 140,000 hp, a speed of 31 knots and a crew of 728 and carries a Kamov Ka-27 (Helix) helicopter or versions thereof.


    File picture: Aerial starboard quarter view of the Russian Northern Fleet Kirov class nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov (CGN-080) underway.

    Navy Recognition Comments
    The Sevmash Shipyard launched the modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov to Project 11442M standard on January 24, 2014. The modernization started with dismounting the large equipment and systems subject to replacement or repair. This slashed the structural weight, which, in turn, made it easier to bring the ship from the berth to the flooding dock.

    Sevmash and KBSM (Special Machinebuilding Design Bureau) made a deal for 10 modules of 3S14 vertical launch system (VLS) for installation as part of the cruiser’s upgrade. The deal’s value is estimated at 2.559 billion rubles ($39 million). Thus, 20 SM-225 launchers of the 3K-45 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) system will be replaced with 10 3S14 VLS modules to accommodate 3M-14 (SS-N-30) land-attack and 3M-54 (SS-N-27A Sizzler) antiship cruise missiles of the Kalibr missile system. The ammunition load will total 80 missiles.

    The Project 11442M (NATO reporting name: Kirov-class) Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered heavy guided missile cruiser will be equipped with Tsirkon hypersonic missiles during her upgrade, a source in shipbuilding industry previously told TASS. "The Admiral Nakhimov’s strike system will be replaced with Tsirkon hypersonic missiles as part of her repair and heavy upgrade," the source said.

    It was earlier reported that the first Russian Navy vessel to receive Pantsir-M missile and gun system will be heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov. It will also be fitted with a new generation information management system.

    Source: Arrow http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/april-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5050-russian-navy-kirov-class-cruiser-admiral-nakhimov-return-to-operational-status-slips-to-2022.html

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Azi on Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:26 pm

    One question...

    What is the status of Lazarev and Ushakov? Are they scrapped or stored somewhere?
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  franco on Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:58 pm

    Azi wrote:One question...

    What is the status of Lazarev and Ushakov? Are they scrapped or stored somewhere?

    The Lazarev is in dock, not active and the Ushakov is decommissioned.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:42 am

    Benya wrote:Russian Navy Kirov-class cruiser Admiral Nakhimov Return to Operational Status Slips to 2022

    The return to operational status of the Russian Navy’s Project 11442M (NATO reporting name: Kirov-class) Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser will take place within three to four years, United Shipbuilding Corporation President Alexei Rakhmanov has told the Interfax News Agency.


    Admiral Nakhimov heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser (TARKR) currently under refit at Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk. Picture: Sevmash shipyard via militaryrussia.ru

    "I think we will return the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser to the Navy in 2020-2021. We are working to this end with due account taken of the changes in the amount of work to be done," Rakhmanov said.

    Once upgraded, the Admiral Nakhimov will feature characteristics that are far more advanced and she will beef up the Russian Navy considerably. The upgrade will include the replacement of her missile and gunnery weapons, in particular the introduction of long-range cruise missiles organic to the Kalibr (SS-N-27 Sizzler) system.

    The Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser is designed to destroy high-value surface and land targets and provide air defense for the formation it is part of. The ship was launched in 1986 and commissioned in 1988. She had been moored at Sevmash in Severodvinsk from 1999 to 2012 when a decision was made to rebuild her. The contract for repairing the cruiser was placed in 2013. The Admiral Nakhimov’s upgrade to Project 11442M standard will afford the warship the Kalibr missile system. The cruiser displaces 24,500 tons, measures 251 m long, has a full power of 140,000 hp, a speed of 31 knots and a crew of 728 and carries a Kamov Ka-27 (Helix) helicopter or versions thereof.


    File picture: Aerial starboard quarter view of the Russian Northern Fleet Kirov class nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov (CGN-080) underway.

    Navy Recognition Comments
    The Sevmash Shipyard launched the modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov to Project 11442M standard on January 24, 2014. The modernization started with dismounting the large equipment and systems subject to replacement or repair. This slashed the structural weight, which, in turn, made it easier to bring the ship from the berth to the flooding dock.

    Sevmash and KBSM (Special Machinebuilding Design Bureau) made a deal for 10 modules of 3S14 vertical launch system (VLS) for installation as part of the cruiser’s upgrade. The deal’s value is estimated at 2.559 billion rubles ($39 million). Thus, 20 SM-225 launchers of the 3K-45 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) system will be replaced with 10 3S14 VLS modules to accommodate 3M-14 (SS-N-30) land-attack and 3M-54 (SS-N-27A Sizzler) antiship cruise missiles of the Kalibr missile system. The ammunition load will total 80 missiles.

    The Project 11442M (NATO reporting name: Kirov-class) Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered heavy guided missile cruiser will be equipped with Tsirkon hypersonic missiles during her upgrade, a source in shipbuilding industry previously told TASS. "The Admiral Nakhimov’s strike system will be replaced with Tsirkon hypersonic missiles as part of her repair and heavy upgrade," the source said.

    It was earlier reported that the first Russian Navy vessel to receive Pantsir-M missile and gun system will be heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov. It will also be fitted with a new generation information management system.

    Source: Arrow http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/april-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5050-russian-navy-kirov-class-cruiser-admiral-nakhimov-return-to-operational-status-slips-to-2022.html

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:13 am

    And everything goes to plan and everything in the west is built on time at cost...

    Fuck off Crow.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:20 pm

    Benya wrote:"I think we will return the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser to the Navy in 2020-2021. We are working to this end with due account taken of the changes in the amount of work to be done," Rakhmanov said.

    Hmmm...  this suggests that the scope of the modernisation has changed since the work started in 2014?  It's possible however that the delay is due to unplanned and/or additional repairs due to unexpected condition of vessel or equipment.  For instance, now that the reactor has been de-fuelled and can be fully inspected, its possible that the refurbishment will be more involved (purely conjecture, just an illustrative example of what can happen in large complex rebuilds).
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:18 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Benya wrote:"I think we will return the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser to the Navy in 2020-2021. We are working to this end with due account taken of the changes in the amount of work to be done," Rakhmanov said.

    Hmmm...  this suggests that the scope of the modernisation has changed since the work started in 2014?  It's possible however that the delay is due to unplanned and/or additional repairs due to unexpected condition of vessel or equipment.  For instance, now that the reactor has been de-fuelled and can be fully inspected, its possible that the refurbishment will be more involved (purely conjecture, just an illustrative example of what can happen in large complex rebuilds).

    Plus rumors say they overestimated hull integrity status, so they will probably need to repair and reinforce it more than originally planned.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:04 pm

    Plus rumors say they overestimated hull integrity status, so they will probably need to repair and reinforce it more than originally planned.

    But surely it is vastly more important to meet deadlines set in stone... they should paint over the cracks and get it delivered when they said they would deliver it and deal with all the problems later... oops, no hang on, this is not the F-35 programme and they are not five years old.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  hoom on Wed May 31, 2017 12:29 pm

    Bunch of onboard/drone footage of Nakhimov progress in this

    Deck around the UKSK going in, confirms the 10* modules = 80 missiles.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  zg18 on Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:43 pm

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  eridan Today at 2:44 pm

    What can be, with fair certainty, surmised about Nakhimov's subsystems once it reenters service around 2021 or so?

    10 modules of UKSK mean 40 missiles? Kalibr is mentioned in various newsbits, but UKSK is perfectly capable of launching Oniks, is it not? Is it fair to expect a mix of Kalibr and Oniks missiles?

    What about Tsirkon? Some media have been speculating about that as well, - but assuming its development will indeed end by 2021, what do we know about the missile itself? How compatible is it with UKSK?

    Then there's the old S300F system. Is it realistic that will be replaced 1-on-1 basis with a navalized S400?

    What about Redut? Will S400 silos be made modular, so Redut missile can be used as well?

    Or will old SA-N-4 launcher locations be replaced with a VLS module or two per location, containing only Redut?

    What about SA-N-9? What sort of replacement can be expected? Perhaps pretty much same sort of launcher, only with newer variant missiles and new targeting systems?

    Any news about radar suite on Nahkimov? Something new, to serve all the mentioned missiles? Or a set of various targeting radars for various systems mentioned? Is there a talk of integrated sensor mast?

    Paket instead of older RBU systems? Any details?

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