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    How to defeat America at sea.

    Post  obliqueweapons on Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:18 am

    How to defeat the EU and US at sea. 50,000 war ships V 4,000. It's this or it goes nuclear.

    43,000 small speed boats for $15 billion dollars. They can pop under water and jump back out, using front suckers and flaps....with speed. Speed subs.


    First America uses laser weapons in 2 ways.

    1. To heat the boat up and blows it up.

    2. a laser gun shoot bullets at the boats, but it's not good odds from the all the videos i seen of aiming at a slow moving sitting still target.

    3. new lock-on ,missiles fly low and take out boat's.

    1. We make fast water proof boats, that have flaps under the water that make it dive for 5 - 10 seconds.

    2. It can also jump on the way up with timing beating torpedoes.

    Ok American laser weapons will not penetrate water, so once the laser weapon hit's the boat, it dives for 3 - 10 seconds cooling back down instantly / not giving the laser time to work.

    The flaps pop out forcing it down and it cools down / hides from the laser for up to 10 seconds and so on.

    Torpedo's can also jump, stopping enemy counter water weapons.

    These 43,000 boats can Carrie 1 - 3 warship killer torpedoes, even some small lock on missiles.

    We drop off mass fuel at sea with torpedoes, that can be dropped of and marked over months by Russian and or Chinese war ships. This let's them go around the world if we dump off that much fuel and weapons.

    Knew American lasers made to take out speed boats will fail, and the boats can jump and go under the water.

    The boats and sink 10 - 40 meters deep, use ink to hide from eyes in the sky.

    The boats just have a tube float to the surface to draw in air. They work with subs 2.

    They can jump out to the side and anyway they want.

    Jump out fire destroy move on to next target.

    American new warships with missiles and laser weapons for boats, will fail.
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    Re: How to defeat America at sea.

    Post  Isos on Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:35 pm

    Small boats are siting ducks for jet fighters. The history proves it. 2 or 3 30mm shells from F-35 per boat and the job is done.

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    Post  obliqueweapons on Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:44 am

    Isos wrote:Small boats are siting ducks for jet fighters. The history proves it. 2 or 3 30mm shells from F-35 per boat and the job is done.

    It's why they can dive for and sink down with ink packs.

    What is a warship going to do with 200 boats coming at it?

    Jet's can attack the boats, but the lock on missiles will do what if they dive?

    As soon as the boat's go underwater, them lock on missile drift off course?

    Sher numbers alone would sink ever aircraft carries and warship the U.S has.

    Do you know how guided bombs work? So what happens once the boats dive under water?

    This would be a nightmare for any navy.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:57 am

    Even a near miss with a dumb unguided bomb would ruin any submersed boats day... pressure waves move rapidly through water and air cavities... like the insides of boats and subs collapse under such pressure.

    Little boats have their uses, but only having little boats is a manning problem... a coordination problem and a logistics problem... how are you going to refuel all those little boats? And keeping them properly armed?

    A single 100mm shell from a 100mm automatic gun on a corvette would ruin the day of any speed boat... a 100mm gun fires at around 100 rpm, but assuming aiming is taken into account we are talking about more than 40 targets per minute and that is just one corvette using one gun.

    Assembling and amassing a force large enough would not be easy... and using large air burst ordinance you could probably take out more than one vessel at a time during an attack.

    Even the RBU-6000 could be used to launch rocket layed mines in the path of incoming speed boats to stop them well before they even got near the ship.

    If you are going to use hundreds or thousands of things to take out the US Navy then it makes more sense to use hundreds of mach 8 Zircon missiles... your chances of victory are much better.


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    Re: How to defeat America at sea.

    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:26 pm

    obliqueweapons wrote:
    Isos wrote:Small boats are siting ducks for jet fighters. The history proves it. 2 or 3 30mm shells from F-35 per boat and the job is done.

    It's why they can dive for and sink down with ink packs.

    What is a warship going to do with 200 boats coming at it?

    Jet's can attack the boats, but the lock on missiles will do what if they dive?

    As soon as the boat's go underwater, them lock on missile drift off course?

    Sher numbers alone would sink ever aircraft carries and warship the U.S has.

    Do you know how guided bombs work? So what happens once the boats dive under water?

    This would be a nightmare for any navy.  


    Those boats will not be armoured so an explosion near it from a 500 kg bombs will destroy it. No need for precision, fighter can operate from 250 m from the safely as there won't be any gun on the deck and manpad can be used as you boat goes in water rapidely.

    But this idea is good for a torpedo missile like the shkval. Imagine a radar in its nose. The shkval because of speed could theorically jump from the water at 50m heigh easily and scan the area with radar and then dive and adapt it's way and do it again. Proof against torpedo counter measure and impossible to destroy by anti air missiles.
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:03 pm

    It is difficult to say the least , for a warship or plane to target and desgdoy a well designed and operated fast attack boat . With low heat and radar signature , they will prove a very difficult target for missiles . So they have to be taken out one by one by los direct fire weapons . Auto-cannons and artillery from ships or aircraft . The boats can then target these ships and planes with short range guided missiles . No need for air cover .

    However these boats lack range . They are best in protecting against a marine shore invasion . Before enemy deploys landing craft . To keep sea lanes open . You need blue water navy . But best if you establish land trade routes with your allies . This is far cheaper than a blue water navy . To combat huge American navy . You still need a conventional navy for conventional fights against regional foes . But you need a few long range nuclear subs . As detterance against yank attack .

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    Post  obliqueweapons on Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:12 am

    nomadski wrote:It is difficult to say the least , for a warship or plane to target and desgdoy a well designed and operated fast attack boat . With low heat and radar signature , they will prove a very difficult target for missiles . So they have to be taken out one by one by los  direct fire weapons . Auto-cannons and artillery from ships or aircraft  . The boats can then target these ships and planes with short range guided missiles . No need for air cover .

    However these boats lack range . They are best in protecting against a marine shore invasion . Before enemy deploys landing craft . To keep sea lanes open . You need blue water navy . But best if you establish land trade routes with your allies . This is far cheaper than a blue water navy . To combat huge American navy . You still need a conventional navy for conventional fights against regional foes . But you need a few long range nuclear subs . As detterance against yank attack .

    Unless they drop off fuel at sea over the years.

    I would put 2 way coms on the fuel that skinks to the ocean floor. Then put air bags in the tanks, that then float the fuel up to the surfaces when traced and ordered.

    Let's not forget they can dive from laser and bullet's being fired at them.

    You could make your way to the enemy's country....shipping ruts to droop off fuel.


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    Re: How to defeat America at sea.

    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:47 am

    And when those fuel caches leak and kill all the fish and start a war in the first place...


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    Post  obliqueweapons on Sat May 06, 2017 5:15 am

    GarryB wrote:And when those fuel caches leak and kill all the fish and start a war in the first place...

    Lol I think they could make stuff to stop the fuel from leaking easy.

    The truth is America can be beaten easy and it just takes strategy......Not tec.
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    Re: How to defeat America at sea.

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 07, 2017 2:33 am

    Hit them where it hurts...

    Their electricity grid is so backward Eddison would be quite familiar with it today... they have plenty of huge forests, and areas of the US are notorious for wildfires.

    During WWII the Japanese had a plan to start fires with balloons released from Japan to fly over the pacific and land in the US to start forest fires... these days, it would be much simpler with road flares and simple low tech UAVs...

    Basically do to the US what the US has tried to do to Cuba for the last 40 odd years... spread crop diseases, burn crops, poison water supplies and rivers and lakes... And of course try to kill their leader with all sorts of crazy plots.


    Of course the difference is that the people of Cuba wanted Fidel to live and so often "failed" at the last minute... I don't expect the same of an assassin with Trump or Clinton in their sights.


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