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    hoom

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    Re: Marine Assault vehicle (platform BMMP)

    Post  hoom on Sat May 05, 2018 4:49 am

    I'm really surprised by this, the EFV was rightly cancelled for being ridiculous.
    But then, China seems to have managed to make the concept work with ZBD2000.

    A lower top speed means a less retarded power-train which might make the difference I guess.
    Though looking at those stats the engine only having 1500hp mode appears to kill land range down to 300km which seems distinctly inadequate.

    Why are there (previously unseen!) Kurganets variants in this? Just to demonstrate possible variants or are they implying a close relationship of this program to Kurganets?
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    Re: Marine Assault vehicle (platform BMMP)

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 05, 2018 8:21 am

    From memory the naval vehicle family was supposed to be based on a maranised Kurganets.


    sould be easy choice: 125mm same Sprut. But tower! looks like unmanned one. Does it mean that Sprut or Boomerang prospectively get one too?

    Sprut has a manned turret, but Boomerang was designed for unmanned turrets, as was the Kurganets and armata and typhoon.

    Like the land based equivalents... this will be a naval vehicle family and not just an IFV or APC.


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    Re: Marine Assault vehicle (platform BMMP)

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 05, 2018 10:44 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Sprut has a manned turret

    I mean gun not turret, sir Wink Wink Wink
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    Re: Marine Assault vehicle (platform BMMP)

    Post  Hole on Sat May 05, 2018 11:11 am

    They will use the Kurganets as basis. Make it longer. Stronger engine and pump jets. Test it for five years. Ready!
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    Re: Marine Assault vehicle (platform BMMP)

    Post  flamming_python on Mon May 07, 2018 2:18 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    - Joint-stock company "Omsktransmash" together with NPC SM at the Moscow State Technical University developed the concept of a unified caterpillar platform and combat vehicle

    This is translator error: there is logo and description of Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) . But Google translate sometimes looks like trolling Russian names Sad

    OmskTransMash is part of UMZ now if I'm not mistaken.

    Good news that they're doing it; they need some orders for building stuff, to supplement the T-80 modernization work that they're doing.

    hoom wrote:Though looking at those stats the engine only having 1500hp mode appears to kill land range down to 300km which seems distinctly inadequate.

    Perfectly adequate for reinforcing Russian territory such as the Kurliles, or that of allied states. Or making some supporting incursions in the Ukraine/Georgia if it comes down to it.

    Russia doesn't have a huge force of marines; they're not going to be used as the spearhead for any invasion.

    AlfaT8 wrote:The weapon suites available are also very impressive to say nothing of the included Arena APS.
    ! wonder what size barrel that Light tank suite is gonna use?

    It does look like a tank.

    But the label says 'self-propelled artillery'.

    Actually it looks most like some of those early models of BMPT variants of the Armata chassis that we saw years ago.

    I'm guessing it would have both direct and indirect fire capabilities. If it only had indirect then there wouldn't be any neccessity in the extra ERA tiles.

    Should be doable even with standard Russian guns.
    About a month ago I read somewhere that Russia is testing its T-72s with indirect fire capabilities; firing over elevations and what not.
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    Re: Marine Assault vehicle (platform BMMP)

    Post  Hole on Mon May 07, 2018 4:08 pm

    Russia always used it´s tanks for indirect fire support. Lesson from the GPW.

    In the old days they used the marines as spearhead, followed by normal tank and infantry units.
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    Re: Marine Assault vehicle (platform BMMP)

    Post  flamming_python on Mon May 07, 2018 5:12 pm

    Hole wrote:Russia always used it´s tanks for indirect fire support. Lesson from the GPW.

    In the old days they used the marines as spearhead, followed by normal tank and infantry units.

    Fire support sure, but not indirect fire.

    I doubt that standard tank FCS and optics have any configuration for indirect fire without line-of-sight.
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    Re: Marine Assault vehicle (platform BMMP)

    Post  Hole on Mon May 07, 2018 10:12 pm

    Every russian tank can be used for indirect fire. There optics got a scale for that.

    Range examples
    T-55 14.600 m
    T-72 9.400 m

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