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    The Role of Israel

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:02 am

    When will this piece of shit netanyahu be voted out. He's been fucking around as PM as long as I can remember.

    Also isn't this a great oppurtunity to politically discredit Israel? They're openly admitting  to supporting armed groups considered terrorists even by the US. Couldn't Russia bring this matter to the UN to propose a resolution to put economic sanctions on Pissrael? Of course the western empire won't be swayed, but I hope it can rile up the third world enough so that Pissrael has a reputation of a rogue state.

    Also could Russia or Syria do constant Aerial patrols over Hezbollah positions or Syrian borders as a big FUCK YOU to Yahweh's Chosen so they can't get close enough to bomb them? Hell Russian planes should fly over the Golan heights so when Iraelis start bitching they can just say that they didn't violate israeli airspace since they were flying over syria.
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    Post  Regular on Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:30 am

    Russia knows that sanctions mean very little when it comes to changing countries stance. And Russia did fly into israel territory from time to time. What needs to be done here is giving support to israeli enemies who will hit them from inside. Israel needs to be dragged into never ending conflict in middle east and drain itself both economically and socially. Anything else is just a childs game. Looks like jews need some whacking, hell guys I will admit that I am happy that hitler wiped those cunts out of Europe. Jews having a country was stupid idea.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:27 am

    It was not a stupid idea to have a jewish state, it was a stupid idea to have a jewish state founded by western capitalists.
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    Post  Regular on Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:59 am

    How it's not stupid if they are living in occupied land and thus flaring up Middle East? Arabs are savages, but it's their land and they should have a right to live how they want with no interference by this foreign entity. Jews really pissed me off with their chosen by God logic, personally only Jewish state I would be happy is in a bar of soap. All those Jewish pogroms all over the world didn't happen because of nothing. Sorry for my rant, but I think majority of Eastern Europeans think that way, especially when You have chance to speak with Jews on Internet. Those counts are not even grateful for what was done to them..
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:14 am

    Hitler was scum.

    The jews he had killed were no more guilty for what the zionist jews are doing now in the middle east than you or I.

    He picked jews and also other political and ethnic groups to look down on... much the same way europeans look down on the rest of the world to this day...

    There are plenty of jews who don't believe Israel should exist today or ever...

    The problem is not any random jew, the problem is zionist jews and the fundamentalist christians who believe the jews are part of some big prophesy that will lead to them going to heaven and the rest of us heathens burning in hell for eternity.

    And again... it is not the zionist jews or fundamentalist christians... it is the ones with money and power...

    It seems that to be allowed to work for the UN you cannot be allowed to criticise Israel...


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    Re: The Role of Israel

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:39 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:It was not a stupid idea to have a jewish state, it was a stupid idea to have a jewish state founded by western capitalists.

    There already was a Jewish state - its called Birobidzhan. We need to relocate them all there and then build a fuckoff big wall around it. Problem solved....
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:42 am

    GarryB wrote:Hitler was scum.

    The jews he had killed were no more guilty for what the zionist jews are doing now in the middle east than you or I.

    He picked jews and also other political and ethnic groups to look down on... much the same way europeans look down on the rest of the world to this day...

    There are plenty of jews who don't believe Israel should exist today or ever...

    The problem is not any random jew, the problem is zionist jews and the fundamentalist christians who believe the jews are part of some big prophesy that will lead to them going to heaven and the rest of us heathens burning in hell for eternity.

    And again... it is not the zionist jews or fundamentalist christians... it is the ones with money and power...

    It seems that to be allowed to work for the UN you cannot be allowed to criticise Israel...

    Don't forget the Talmudists. These are the vile scumbags who claim that Jews are Gods "Chosen people" and that all non-jews are just animals in human form. Put that absurd racial-supremacist BS into practise like the Talmudists do, and the only possible outcome is hatred from your neighbours and victims.

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    Re: The Role of Israel

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:27 am

    More on the jews beating...
    Even though not all jews are the same . just like it happen with any other religion , ie. Not all Christians are the same and same with Muslins. There are many good jewish people outhere who condemn Israel. Is not less truth ,that the jews role in the world historically have been pure evil. World War 2 ,what really happened there should be revised and what happened in world war 1 too. Because jews played a major role in both of them in inciting the flames.  

    It was said that hitler hated jews.. but what is not told that it was a normal feeling in all Europe among the average european worker. Why was that? Because Jews always worked together to take power , they are addicted for power and control of governments. and they used their Banks and their media they controlled to manipulate nations economy or declare economic war against any nation.

    Take a look what was happening in Europe ,6 years before the war..
    who declared a boycott on germany consequences of their the government
    moving away from the western world order.

    Germany declares war world on the jews world order in Sept 1, 1939..

    But look what was happening after that..  in 1933 when hitler came to power.



    Jews not only used world wide mainstream media to attack germany economy.
    It also used their manipulation of world markets and currency ,to bring germany on their knees. As if that wasn't enough , they also used terrorism. yes you heard that right. and began to sabotage Germany merchant vessels. There was a major cold war against Germany in those times by the World Order ,that today still exist ,and today is targeting Russia. have a cold war against them.

    SO this shows world wars never happens by accident. A major series of events needs to happens first ,and the ones who really start the war ,are the jews.. with their sanctions ,with their economic sabotage of nations ,with their manipulation of those countries currency , did any of this sounds similar to what Russia experience today from the western Globalist order?

    All israeli lobbies in US backed Clinton.. they a lot of money in support of her . they also used all their mainstream media and all printed media ,hollywood ,entertainment industry the big 5 media corporations controlled by jews was used  to attack Trump. Now that he won ,they backpedaling with Trump but they were all with Clinton. who was threatening world war 3 with Russia. And trump being alone on this throne ,have no choice but to try to get some jews support now. Because they influence US politics and media too.  This does not means that hitler was saint , by any degree ,or that what he did was right. it only shows ,that Jews are not innocents at all. They are the ones that push for wars in the world. They pushing for a US war with IRAN.. and providing weapons to terrorist in Syria to attack Russia and Assad army..

    It was jews bolshevick movement "People's Will" Who killed Alexander Romanov with two suicide bomber . yes you heard that right. The first suicide bombers in the world were jews. And later they killed Nicholas Family when got in Power under Lenin another jew. So world wars historically have been largely Religious driven . of Jews versus someone. either Christians or Muslins. They control the banks and the media and push hard to get politicians to support their wars. It was jews who killed Jesuschrist. So this is a pattern , jews Hate competition .this is a fact. and they will use their money to finance wars ,revolution or violence to get the power they want.  in Ukraine it is jews who are in power attacking and bombing Christians. Simply jews never get along with other religions. and neither muslins.

    nazism is wrong ,but so zionism too. and islamic extremism. The believe that some are superior than others ,and that they are above other. Look at the Rascist neyanyahu , who told recently that will continue bombing Syria (aiding ISIS) because the security of Israel goes above the security of anyone else.  No   They are evil and hateful people.. fact. Globalist Zionist jews have no morals and values .and to reason with them is impossible as long they believe to be better than other races.

    take a look at what events happened before Hitler started a war with Europe.
    What jews were doing.



    Hitler intentions were noble originally .. he wanted to take down the zionist world order represented by Britain ,and US. and France. ,today what are those nations doing? in alliance with Israel ,terrorizing the world  Supporting ISIS and ALqaeda to hit nations after nation. And to make things even more explosive, Polish Jews created concentration camps of germans in the danzig city ,under ocupation of Poland from germany. Danzig was the Donetsk ,of Germany. German citizens there were being killed and forced into labor camps ,to provoke Hitler , is the only reason ,any nation could do that. And hitler himself on his declaration of war to poland mentioned Danzig . that it was intolerable what they were doing against Germany citizens. and he was right.

    So Hitler concentration camps in Poland ,was a *revenge* ,for Polands concentration camps of germans. Jews started concentrations camps first.  nothing of this will be told anywhere in any media , you need to research by yourself.


    Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to the close of WW I  -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the German invasion of Poland

    http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm


    move back forward in time. Who are the biggest enemies of Russia and Putin today? the 5th column in Russia? two words ... Liberal Jews .  They want to abolish the Russian identity ,their church and totally destroy the system of morals and values of Russia. They want also to see Russia disbanded in many parts and that NATO takes control of it. So this is why the world is the way it is.. Jews use their economic fortune gained stealing and cheating to push for wars , against any power who oppose their economic global fascist order. David Rockefeller himself told ,he was responsible for creating today world order for the benefit of a few billionaires at the expense of humanity. And Rothchilds jews ,created the state of Israel. They are also behind the far left Liberal Movement and Globalization and all wars. 911 attacks ,Syria terrorist war .etc..  SO indeed Zionist jews have been a major destructive force in the world. they hate humanity ,is as simple as that. and hate christians too. Their biggest propaganda machine is Hollywood and the big 5 big media corporations in US.
    But the Jews in Europe also do the same too.  Historically jews were hated in all Europe not just Hitler. and their history of being kicked from all European countries is there, not just one time but many times. And it was not only their manipulation of media and banking industry ,what earned them the hate. but their practice of human sacrifices too ,and drink of human blood. so called
    [Blood libel]. Is not a conspiration theory.. it is a fact. There is documented evidence of this human sacrifices of children of christians by them.

    Today they are more creative and use Hollywood for that , and lead Satanic cults. were human sacrifices or sexual abuse of children is the order of the date.
    This is not conspirations theories. The former FBI director TED Gunderson (who was assasinated to silence him) have done lots of interviews covering this. About the criminal world order that reigns this world ,lead by US and Britain and israel.


    For the record ,im not anti jews.. only pro facts. There are many great jews ,just like any other religions but the fact is jews , a large portion of them ,when become very rich ,become  satanic ,and some of them hide it. This are people that really think ,they should control the world and humanity. and that they are above anyone else. Hitler original intentions were noble ,to bring down a very corrupt and criminal world order of jews. but he very quickly became blinded for power and made things worse than they were in the end.


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    Re: The Role of Israel

    Post  Azi on Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:08 am

    To all jew haters...

    Imagine if you must live in the near/middle east region, what country would you prefere? Liberal Saudia Arabia, lovely Turkey, stable Syria or wealthy Egypt??? If you could live with same standard in all countries 99% of the jew haters would prefer to live in Israel! Why??? Because it's a tolerant, modern and western society!

    Jews are normal people, the only difference they have a big lobby in USA for Israel interest. I personal know a lot of Jews who are complete uninterested in Israel.

    And please...
    The people really think Palestinian and other Arabs are morale higher beings??? They did nothing wrong in history? If Arabs are really interested in Palestine and something like a Muslim brotherhood would exists, they could gift every Palestinian a house of pure gold! Gulf states has so much money and political influence, but instead they prefer to teach religious intolerance and build mosque all around the world.

    I know that Israel politic is very aggressive against Syria and is not ok! But remember that Syria and Israel never signed a peace treaty!!!!!! Theoretical Israel could bomb whole Damascus with being unpunished international, because both countries are since decades in war. Syria has not the role of the bright shining honorable knight, because they initiate and lost the war.
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    Re: The Role of Israel

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:15 am

    the discussion went off-topic about isreal's role. So i created a new topic. Enjoy


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    To all jew haters...

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:18 am

    Azi wrote:To all jew haters...

    Imagine if you must live in the near/middle east region, what country would you prefere? Liberal Saudia Arabia, lovely Turkey, stable Syria or wealthy Egypt??? If you could live with same standard in all countries 99% of the jew haters would prefer to live in Israel! Why??? Because it's a tolerant, modern and western society!

    Jews are normal people, the only difference they have a big lobby in USA for Israel interest. I personal know a lot of Jews who are complete uninterested in Israel.

    And please...
    The people really think Palestinian and other Arabs are morale higher beings??? They did nothing wrong in history? If Arabs are really interested in Palestine and something like a Muslim brotherhood would exists, they could gift every Palestinian a house of pure gold! Gulf states has so much money and political influence, but instead they prefer to teach religious intolerance and build mosque all around the world.

    I know that Israel politic is very aggressive against Syria and is not ok! But remember that Syria and Israel never signed a peace treaty!!!!!! Theoretical Israel could bomb whole Damascus with being unpunished international, because both countries are since decades in war. Syria has not the rule of the bright shining honorable knight, because they initiate and lost the war.

    is not Ok?
    Israel is supporting ISIS and ALqaeda in Syria since 2011 ,to slaugther not just 6 million of jews as you all claim happened in world war 2. but 20 millions of Syrians ,to kill them all of them by ISIS And ALqaeda. So if you find "not ok"
    what Israel is doing in Syria, the most inhuman act of terror against an entire civilization of 20 millions , this is the world genocide in modern history , then there is something really wrong with you buddy.

    IF we were in a fair world. with real justice. israel will be already isolated from the world and Netanyahu bring to an international court for mass genocide.
    he deserves the same future of Nazis and nothing less. he is worse than Hitler. He helps Saudi Arabia to spread terrorism through the entire world ,that attack Europe too. So this is not just "not ok". but the highest crime ever done against any nation. Israel is literary pushing for the extermination of 20 millions of people in Syria and another 20 millions in IRAQ to steal their oil. greater Israel project in action? . is you can sleep well at nights with Israel is doing in the world, in middle east ,then there is something really wrong with you dude. he have to be arrested and taking to an international court for that.  And then Israel not happy with the Syrian war ,that he is a major force of agression there , ,he is pushing for another one in IRAN.  Not a big fan of muslins , Islam should be banned from the world. in my opinion. But what israel does is even worse. They are using terrorism as a weapon to target any nation ,that do not lick the shoes of Israel. Russia and Europe are victims of terrorism . that Israel supports. Is not "anti semitism" to tell the truth. of what is happening in the world. Zionist jews are destroying it with their promoted wars , terrorism and sabotage of other nations  economies.  It had to be a Christian , Donald Trump ,to bring some level of sanity to US politics ,and this is why Big corporate Jewish media in alliance with radical left and fake conservative zionist like McAins and Graham that attacks him. Globalist and radical jews want a world war 3. and im not sure how can anyone support that.


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    Re: The Role of Israel

    Post  Azi on Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:34 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Azi wrote:To all jew haters...

    Imagine if you must live in the near/middle east region, what country would you prefere? Liberal Saudia Arabia, lovely Turkey, stable Syria or wealthy Egypt??? If you could live with same standard in all countries 99% of the jew haters would prefer to live in Israel! Why??? Because it's a tolerant, modern and western society!

    Jews are normal people, the only difference they have a big lobby in USA for Israel interest. I personal know a lot of Jews who are complete uninterested in Israel.

    And please...
    The people really think Palestinian and other Arabs are morale higher beings??? They did nothing wrong in history? If Arabs are really interested in Palestine and something like a Muslim brotherhood would exists, they could gift every Palestinian a house of pure gold! Gulf states has so much money and political influence, but instead they prefer to teach religious intolerance and build mosque all around the world.

    I know that Israel politic is very aggressive against Syria and is not ok! But remember that Syria and Israel never signed a peace treaty!!!!!! Theoretical Israel could bomb whole Damascus with being unpunished international, because both countries are since decades in war. Syria has not the rule of the bright shining honorable knight, because they initiate and lost the war.

    is not Ok?
    Israel is supporting ISIS and ALqaeda in Syria since 2011 ,to slaugther not just 6 million of jews as you all claim happened in world war too. but 20 millions of Syrians ,to kill them all of them by ISIS And ALqaeda. So if you find "not ok"
    what Israel is doing in Syria, the most inhuman act of terror against an entire civilization of 20 millions , then there is something really wrong with you buddy.
    Netanyahu deserves the electric chair and nothing less. is worse than Hitler. He helps Saudi Arabia to spread terrorism around the world ,that attack Europe too. So this is not just "not ok". but the highest crime ever done against any nation. Israel is literary pushing for the extermination of 20 millions of people. is you can sleep well at nights with that. then there is something really bad about you dude. And then Israel not happy with the Syrian war ,he is pushing for another one in IRAN. Not a big fan of muslins , Islam should be banned from the world. in my opinion. But what israel does is even worse. They are using terrorism as a weapon to target any nation ,that do not lick the shoes of Israel.
    Russia and Europe are victims of terrorism . and Israel support terrorism.
    Yes! Israel is supporting IS and AQ, the same with USA, France, Germany etc..

    But Jews in ww2 were industrial slaughtered by Nazis. IS and AQ are not Jews or Christians, they are radical Muslims from all around the world. So Muslims kills Muslims! If I sell you a weapon makes me not a murder, if you kill someone!

    Israel showed after Palmyra Bombing that they are supporting IS very open. It's dirty politic, because Israel tries to overthrow Assad to occupy Golan forever. They know that IS is not a threat for Israel now and in the next 30 years. It's very very dirty politic. But dirty politic of a administration makes not the whole population evil!!! This is something people like you will never understand! And Bibi (Netanyahu) is not so safe in saddle like you think, Israel is a democracy and has a lot of inner problems (economy), he needs a enemy to distract from real problems, but Israelis are not stupid. On other side it's good that Bibi and Putin have something like "friendship", so maybe some aggressive actions from Israel side are done by some hardcore IAF generals, who knows!?

    So @all let's calm down! Israel missed the right moment to overthrow Assad, all actions are symbolic and only to distract from inner problems. Syria and with it Russia has won the civil war. It will take months or years before guns will be quiet, but the decision is with Aleppo over!

    By the way...
    20 millions dead Iraqis and 20 millions dead Syrians, or pushing for that number??? What shit you are smoking? Check out the factbooks or wiki for exact data of population, background of wars and history!!

    Syria by the way was born by western countries and not by Arabs themselves!!!
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    Re: The Role of Israel

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:15 am

    Israel missed the right moment to overthrow Assad

    Amusing you think they had any right to do that.

    Ironic that Syria and Iran are evil because they support "freedom fighters" in Israel, yet the west and Israel and Saudi Arabia can support "freedom fighters" in Syria and Libya and Iran to over throw governments and generally fuck up stable working countries.


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    Re: The Role of Israel

    Post  Godric on Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:41 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:It was not a stupid idea to have a jewish state, it was a stupid idea to have a jewish state founded by western capitalists.

    There already was a Jewish state - its called Birobidzhan.  We need to relocate them all there and then build a fuckoff big wall around it.  Problem solved....

    Israel is a artificial state created in the 1920s by America putting influence on the British empire in BE controlled Palestine which only had less than 15,000 jews living in Palestine and and in the 1930s and 40s that number increased with transporting jews to Israel ... Israel today is doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to Jews in Poland they put them in ghettos .. i do not follow any religion ... but i cannot abide by Nazis and today Israel are acting like Nazis
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:35 pm

    Godric wrote:

    Israel is a artificial state created in the 1920s by America putting influence on the British empire in BE controlled Palestine which only had less than 15,000 jews living in Palestine and and in the 1930s and 40s that number increased with transporting jews to Israel ... Israel today is doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to Jews in Poland they put them in ghettos .. i do not follow any religion ... but i cannot abide by Nazis and today Israel are acting like Nazis  

    Yes. But that's the story of the entire Middle East. Even Saudi Arabia the no 1 sponsor of global Islamic terrorism was artificially created.

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    Post  par far on Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:04 pm

    The best way to deal to deal with Israel is to support Hezbollah and others fighting against Israel(don't say this is not right, Israel supports groups against other countries).

    Support Israels enemies inside Israel and out side Israel.

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:49 pm

    Azi wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Azi wrote:To all jew haters...

    Imagine if you must live in the near/middle east region, what country would you prefere? Liberal Saudia Arabia, lovely Turkey, stable Syria or wealthy Egypt??? If you could live with same standard in all countries 99% of the jew haters would prefer to live in Israel! Why??? Because it's a tolerant, modern and western society!

    Jews are normal people, the only difference they have a big lobby in USA for Israel interest. I personal know a lot of Jews who are complete uninterested in Israel.

    And please...
    The people really think Palestinian and other Arabs are morale higher beings??? They did nothing wrong in history? If Arabs are really interested in Palestine and something like a Muslim brotherhood would exists, they could gift every Palestinian a house of pure gold! Gulf states has so much money and political influence, but instead they prefer to teach religious intolerance and build mosque all around the world.

    I know that Israel politic is very aggressive against Syria and is not ok! But remember that Syria and Israel never signed a peace treaty!!!!!! Theoretical Israel could bomb whole Damascus with being unpunished international, because both countries are since decades in war. Syria has not the rule of the bright shining honorable knight, because they initiate and lost the war.

    is not Ok?
    Israel is supporting ISIS and ALqaeda in Syria since 2011 ,to slaugther not just 6 million of jews as you all claim happened in world war too. but 20 millions of Syrians ,to kill them all of them by ISIS And ALqaeda. So if you find "not ok"
    what Israel is doing in Syria, the most inhuman act of terror against an entire civilization of 20 millions , then there is something really wrong with you buddy.
    Netanyahu deserves the electric chair and nothing less. is worse than Hitler. He helps Saudi Arabia to spread terrorism around the world ,that attack Europe too. So this is not just "not ok". but the highest crime ever done against any nation. Israel is literary pushing for the extermination of 20 millions of people. is you can sleep well at nights with that. then there is something really bad about you dude. And then Israel not happy with the Syrian war ,he is pushing for another one in IRAN. Not a big fan of muslins , Islam should be banned from the world. in my opinion. But what israel does is even worse. They are using terrorism as a weapon to target any nation ,that do not lick the shoes of Israel.
    Russia and Europe are victims of terrorism . and Israel support terrorism.
    Yes! Israel is supporting IS and AQ, the same with USA, France, Germany etc..

    But Jews in ww2 were industrial slaughtered by Nazis. IS and AQ are not Jews or Christians, they are radical Muslims from all around the world. So Muslims kills Muslims! If I sell you a weapon makes me not a murder, if you kill someone!

    Israel showed after Palmyra Bombing that they are supporting IS very open. It's dirty politic, because Israel tries to overthrow Assad to occupy Golan forever. They know that IS is not a threat for Israel now and in the next 30 years. It's very very dirty politic. But dirty politic of a administration makes not the whole population evil!!! This is something people like you will never understand! And Bibi (Netanyahu) is not so safe in saddle like you think, Israel is a democracy and has a lot of inner problems (economy), he needs a enemy to distract from real problems, but Israelis are not stupid. On other side it's good that Bibi and Putin have something like "friendship", so maybe some aggressive actions from Israel side are done by some hardcore IAF generals, who knows!?

    So @all let's calm down! Israel missed the right moment to overthrow Assad, all actions are symbolic and only to distract from inner problems. Syria and with it Russia has won the civil war. It will take months or years before guns will be quiet, but the decision is with Aleppo over!

    By the way...
    20 millions dead Iraqis and 20 millions dead Syrians, or pushing for that number??? What shit you are smoking? Check out the factbooks or wiki for exact data of population, background of wars and history!!

    Syria by the way was born by western countries and not by Arabs themselves!!!

    You're wasting your time with people convinced that Israel is the anti-Christ and that everyone else is always so morally upright and just.
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    Re: The Role of Israel

    Post  Godric on Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:14 pm

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    Godric wrote:

    Israel is a artificial state created in the 1920s by America putting influence on the British empire in BE controlled Palestine which only had less than 15,000 jews living in Palestine and and in the 1930s and 40s that number increased with transporting jews to Israel ... Israel today is doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to Jews in Poland they put them in ghettos .. i do not follow any religion ... but i cannot abide by Nazis and today Israel are acting like Nazis  

    Yes. But that's the story of the entire Middle East. Even Saudi Arabia the no 1 sponsor of global Islamic terrorism was artificially created.


    yes many mistakes was made by the British Empire during that period it wanted borders to consist of straight lines instead of based on ethnicity
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    Post  nomadski on Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:40 pm

    What determines the shape and size and longevity of any nation state ? Given the geography of a place and prevalent human practice of tribalism , it becomes possible to predict outcomes . Exodus out of holy land , is nothing new . It has been going on for thousands of years . The holy land is at the cross Roads of nations . As a result it is subject to continuous invasions .

    Nations arise along coastlines . As they have different geography . Trading and fishing . Inland nations arise with different geography and economics . Inland nations then try to gain access to trading routes and ports . But these exist in coastal nations . Then there is conflict . Many examples of this . We are all prisoners of geography . We become free by our understanding this .


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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:35 am

    Normally... yes.

    In the middle east however the current countries were created by Britain and France dividing up known oil resources in the region after Germany was defeated in WWI.

    Look up the histories of the great royal families of the region... they go back thousands of years... oops... no they don't... they go back to the 1920s when the French and British picked sycophants to control the countries they just created...

    Pick an oppressed minority and put them in power and you can trust them to be loyal because of their memories of their treatment by their fellow countrymen when they were the minority... they owed Britain and France for their power so they did as they were told... generally.


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    Post  Regular on Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:29 pm

    Best thing to is to drown israel in political turmoil. Their country is very corrupt.
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    Post  coolieno99 on Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:19 am

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    You're wasting your time with people convinced that Israel is the anti-Christ and that everyone else is always so morally upright and just.

    Many believe Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and chief of staff, is the anti-Christ.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:05 am

    If many other nations can have their own states, then why shouldn't Jews have it too? Jews are, and consider themselves, sufficiently different from other nations to call themselves a nation, even in non-religious context.

    If you're willing to accept a ridiculous creation called Belgium (with two different nationalities that have nothing in common except religion and constantly quarrell with each other), the division of Germans into three countries, the division of Scandinavians (very much the same people) into three countries and accept Belarus (Belarussians are 100% Russians) as an entity distinct from Russia, then why shouldn't you accept Israel?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:35 am

    Why should any religion have its own country?

    More importantly why would any religious country sign agreements with the people living on the land they are claiming and then build walls and settlements on land that belongs to the people they are denying statehood to?

    If the Jews can have Israel why can't the Palestinians have Palestine?

    Can scientologists claim their people came from what is now New York and go in there an kick out the locals and steal their land and create a new country?

    AFAIK there has never been a country called Israel... some jews just claimed to have lived in that area 2000 years ago before being booted out.

    The Native Americans have more claim to the land of the US than Jews to Israel.

    Israel is created in violence... and that is the future they can expect. Non zionist Jews accept that... even if a magic wand murdered all the current occupants of Israel that are not pro zion jews tonight this would not make the world safe for jews world wide. The fact that there are no magic wands and that instead it is rifle barrels and tank guns and bombs from aircraft doing the murdering makes the world even less safe for jews... but you can't tell them that.


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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:Why should any religion have its own country?
    What "religion"? Israel claims to be a country of Jews, defined both religiously and non-religiously. You can be an atheist and still be an Israeli Jew.
    GarryB wrote:If the Jews can have Israel why can't the Palestinians have Palestine?
    If Palestinians manage to somehow get possession and de facto rule of Israel, they could and I would have no problems accepting them.
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    Jews and Judea are mentioned in Roman sources. If you deny this, you're questioning validity of entire Roman historiography.
    GarryB wrote:The Native Americans have more claim to the land of the US than Jews to Israel.
    Not anymore.

    Change of borders makes a big fuss now. Just 100 years ago it wasn't a big deal.

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